Espionage in SG replied by Dr Who @ Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:08:58 +0800

Dr Who — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:08:58 +0800

Prime Minister says : "It's an Honest Mistake"

ok all is forgiven......now carry on your honest mistakes.....

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:21:58 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:21:58 +0800

MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?

A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY

a lion puppet

For those who wondered what happened.

Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.

Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.

This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.

A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.^[1]

In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."^[2]

The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.

To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.

When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.

The reader turned out to be right. ...

After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.

This is what happened:

29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "

Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:

Originally posted by makepeace:

Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King

bans TV drama serices & interviews

glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent

jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.

U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will

ban TV programmes .Right?

U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters

are so hot there.Right?

u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?

1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly

Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html

2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview

Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008

Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,

the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis

and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran

respectively,were interviewed.

Its damn interesting that this news was under

Entertainment section!!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news

3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King

in www.yahoo.com.au

6.Questions

A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial

is still on?

B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?

C.Am i look like anti--Oz?

D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.

i dunt expect the there are so many details about

Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?

Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.

Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.

But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

I cant believe there are so many killings

in the above links !!!

More excited than Holloywood movies!!

Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.

Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.

But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

Why did u check IP and English of forumers?

i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!

It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!

Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.

Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?

Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my

pigeon hole?

I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,

PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct

and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after

i click submit.How safe in this forum??

I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to

catch the criminal,

Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!

Another paethetic, and desperate reply from him when he was cornered:

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

oh it is good.Then can help me saving time to see counsellors How to get rid of computers addicts!!bye

Those who want to see what happened can go here:

http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326

And some screencaps, so the evidence is preserved:

"mysterous" makepeace appears:

and of course his own excited and poorly acted "reply" to his own clone.

and his own desperate and feeble attempts to wriggle out of the situtation:

LOL, what a joker!

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:19:59 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:19:59 +0800

Haha, I've prepared our own military nuts report on the incident, not unlike the mas selamat report.

Espionage in SG replied by LazerLordz @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:57:14 +0800

LazerLordz — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:57:14 +0800

Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:

Haha, talk about false flag operations getting compromised!

the term flatters him lah.

Espionage in SG replied by Shotgun @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:33:10 +0800

Shotgun — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:33:10 +0800

Eh what is this jokers' IP? Which ISP is he on?

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:08:48 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:08:48 +0800

Haha, talk about false flag operations getting compromised!

Espionage in SG replied by Gedanken @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:02:19 +0800

Gedanken — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:02:19 +0800

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,

Har? Neber call MIB meh?

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:43:35 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:43:35 +0800

Originally posted by Shotgun:

Eh, you forgot SID, NSA, FBI, SAF, USMC, USAF as well.

Mossad as well.

And don't forget the ASIO!

LOL

How sad can this guy get?

Tsk tsk tsk lionnoisy, want to lie, cheat and steal also do it in a smart way lah.

Do you know what is the penalty for making a false report?

BTW for forumers who know know what's going on, http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326?page=1#post_8033835

True espionage in sgforums!

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:41:22 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:41:22 +0800

Wow, now he's acting badly about his account getting hacked.

Apparently the hacker lives in his home and has EXACTLY the same kind of english down to all to each and every word and even the style.

Note that not even noisylion, the anti-lionnoisy parody, has achieved such a level of uncanny likeness of bad english lionnoisy style.

For everyone's sake, I'll post the original "makepeace" lionnoisy clone post here:

Originally posted by makepeace:

Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King

bans TV drama serices & interviews

glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent

jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.

U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will

ban TV programmes .Right?

U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters

are so hot there.Right?

u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?

1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly

Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html

2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview

Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008

Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,

the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis

and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran

respectively,were interviewed.

Its damn interesting that this news was under

Entertainment section!!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news

3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King

in www.yahoo.com.au

6.Questions

A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial

is still on?

B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?

C.Am i look like anti--Oz?

D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.

i dunt expect the there are so many details about

Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?

Notice the style of writing, the rethoric, the same reliance on cutting and pasting links and bad english are all exactly lionnoisy.

Apparently despite having his old account "hacked", he still started replying and talking to his "hacked" account.

This is what he replied to it (notice his show of fake "surprise" in response to "makepeace" in otherwords, himself, which I've highlighted in blue):

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

I cant believe there are so many killings

in the above links !!!

More excited than Holloywood movies!!

Before going all "oh no I just realized my account has been hacked I am asking help from all the intelligence agencies in the world!"

This guy is seriously funny.

Espionage in SG replied by Shotgun @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:39:18 +0800

Shotgun — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:39:18 +0800

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,

PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct

and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after

i click submit.How safe in this forum??

I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to

catch the criminal,

Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!

Eh, you forgot SID, NSA, FBI, SAF, USMC, USAF as well.

Espionage in SG replied by lionnoisy @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:14:35 +0800

lionnoisy — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:14:35 +0800

Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:

Speaking of espionage, lionnoisy is now using a clone and sockpuppet to "support" his own agenda, this ID called "makepeace".

LOL, how sad can he get?

I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,

PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct

and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after

i click submit.How safe in this forum??

I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to

catch the criminal,

Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:59:13 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:59:13 +0800

Speaking of espionage, lionnoisy is now using a clone and sockpuppet to "support" his own agenda, this ID called "makepeace".

LOL, how sad can he get?

I also did some espionage on our noisy little lion, apparently he did speak about his military "experience" in NS before in an old post that I managed to find.

I only shot total 20 rounds? in Army
Open house.I am a 95% layman lah.Pl give ur valuable info to share.

Wow, explains his lack of knowledge of infantry tactics, firearms, and anything military in general if this is to be believed.

It's funny how all the way back in '05 he's already on his disasterous one-track mind. He tried to claim the SAR-21 as superior to the then XM8!

I like the way he went about the XM8

It is so big.

When it is just 3 cm longer then the SAR, and that is with butt EXTENDED. If the butt isn't extended it is actually SMALLER then the SAR.

And lighter too.

Speaks volumes about his intellectual intergity, sockpuppeting isn't really unexpected from him.

Espionage in SG replied by Arapahoe @ Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:14:01 +0800

Arapahoe — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:14:01 +0800

sound like a creation of a black organization.

Espionage in SG replied by LazerLordz @ Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:19:16 +0800

LazerLordz — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:19:16 +0800

I'm inclined to agree with the nature of greater immigration, there's an intelligence gap or trust deficit that's open.

Espionage in SG replied by Shotgun @ Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:26:32 +0800

Shotgun — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:26:32 +0800

Originally posted by Gedanken:

Getting a one-bar for spying activities? The fumduck may as well have tried getting his hands on an OCS cadet!

What is this, amateur night?

Oh yeah, I forgot that this is Mr Rollerbaldes talking - it must be the end of the world.

Well not really a fumduck lar. Its not easy to subvert higher ranking officers as most of them are very careful of what they say to people outside the SAF.

Subverting a junior officer would be easier since they are not as highly paid and cautious. Of course, there is the question of "What would subverting a junior officer do?" After all, a junior officer is not gonna handle highly confidential documents or have intimate details of secret projects. Should be quite useless to any case officer rite?

That unfortunately is not true. A junior officer is still someone inside the organization itself and would have, or be able to find out who has the required information. From there, a likely scenario would be that the subverted junior officer would identify a more senior ranking officer, and consequently, be placed under surveillance by foreign intelligence. Certain foreign intelligence agencies were quite notorious for blackmailing at one point of time, and coercing some of these senior officers with questionable lifestyle habits would have been easy.

I guess, what I am saying is that, even the subversion a 2Lt can lead to severe breaches of security.

Espionage in SG replied by aknoo123 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:03:35 +0800

aknoo123 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:03:35 +0800

any way guys...i know abt 5th column activity during ww2 in Sg and malaya cuz i researched and wrote a paper on it for my course in uni..so dun juz take my words for it...some recommended readings if ur interested..

References

Chapman, F. Spencer D.S.O, The Jungle is Neutral Singapore: Times Books International, 1997

Kah Choon, Ban and Yap Hong Kuan. Rehearsal For War ,Singapore: Horizon Books Pte Ltd, 2002

Kah Choon, Ban. Absent History: The Untold story of Special Branch Operations in Singapore: 1915-1942. Singapore: SNP Media Asia Pte Ltd, 2001

Gough, Richard. The Jungle Was Red. Singapore: SNP Panpac Pte Ltd, 2003

Chong Tee, Tan. Force 136 : Story of a WWII Resistance Fighter . Singapore: ASIAPAC Books Pte Ltd, 1995

Boon Kheng,Cheah. Red Star Over Malaya: Resistance and Social Conflict During and After Japanese Occupation of Malaya, 1941-1946, Third edition , Singapore: NUS Publishing, 2003

Akashi,Yoji. The Anti-Japanese Movement in Perak during the Japanese Occupation 1941-45

, in Malaya and Singapore During the Japanese occupation (ed): Journal of Southeast Asian studies special publication series no.3,edited by Paul H. Kratoska. Singapore: Department of History, Singapore Universtiy Press, 1995

Websites

Lim,Lisa. 1944- Operation Rimau : Volume 8 Issue 10 , Ministry of Defence: Singapore. http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/about_us/history/world_war2/v08n10_history.html (accessed March 3, 2008)

Christies, Arthur. Operation Scapula ,Privately Published: Maurice A. Christie. http://www.m.a.christie.btinternet.co.uk/malayaa.htm (accessed March 3, 2008)

Espionage in SG replied by aknoo123 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:56:03 +0800

aknoo123 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:56:03 +0800

seriously, we need to get real. Despite all these being said, typical 5th column activites have never stopped since man started something called war. What we have to understand tho is that we have to also open our eyes and ears. Especially in times like this where S'pore is getting more and more cosmopolitan. Those foreign talents and ah tiongs coming in..we cant be 100% they are not potential spies or even agents working without diplomatic cover. Even the japanese as far back as the 2nd world war considered the duty of every citizen to forward intelligence gathered by their nationals abroad (See Ban kah Choon, Absent History). So the same could be said of these new influx of ah tiongs and what have you...

Bottomline...be careful of wat you say...you never know who's listening...

well just my lil 2 cents worth

Espionage in SG replied by Atobe @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:42:22 +0800

Atobe — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:42:22 +0800

Originally posted by arball:

woohoo! lionnoisy is back!

anws. i remember some time ago thee was an artikel abt the CIA in SG.... idnt follow up on tt one though...

That was when the former Solicitor-General of Singapore - Mr Francis Seow - attempted to make a strong entry into Singapore Politics during the mid-1980's, and posed a threat to the planned ascension of LHL to the PM post.

The Singapore Government claimed that the coffee house meeting between Mr Francis Seow and a senior US Embassy staff had conducted some kind of clandestine activity that interfered with Singapore's politics.

Francis Seow was arrested, and the US Embassy staff had his diplomatic privileges removed and asked to leave Singapore.

Read : http://www.escapefromparadise.com/NewFiles/seow.html

Incidentally, Singapore is no angel either, as the Malaysian had reported the arrest of at least two Singaporeans for espionage near a Malaysian naval facility - and when LKY was asked, for his response, he did say that ''this is no surprise, we do it, they do it, everyone does it''.

From the Singapore Window - it was reported that during SingTel attempt to takeover the Australian Optus Telco, the Aussies were uncomfortable that a national security asset was being taken over by a foreign government agency.

During the course of corporate manoevering that generated public debate, ABC attempted to throw some light into the debate through interviews with personalities knowledgeable to the issues - extracts of the transcript provide some eye-opening details unknown to Singaporeans:-

Given the close links between SingTel and the Singaporean government, the national security issue has provoked both public debate and deep concern in some sections of Australia's intelligence community.

So, would the position be different if it were known that Singapore had already used its links with Australia to spy on it or if it had recruited an Australian mole in our most sensitive defence communications facility?

Those are precisely the allegations being made by a number of people in our next story, the first of a special two-part investigation by Nick Grimm.

NICK GRIMM: Publicly, Singapore and Australia have long been the best of friends.

But, eight years ago, even as we celebrated the arrival of the first foreign forces to be stationed on Australian soil since World War II, Singapore already had its spies in our midst.

PROFESSOR DES BALL, STRATEGIC AND DEFENCE STUDIES CENTRE: Singapore is more actively engaged in intelligence collection activities in this part of the world than any other Southeast Asian country.

PROFESSOR ROSS BABBAGE, STRATEGY INTERNATIONAL: The reality is we can't afford to be naive here.

It's not just one or two instances that have occurred in the last 20 years.

It's a whole series of instances.

NICK GRIMM: The allegations being raised tonight go much further than the kind of low-level eavesdropping that occurs between most nations.

WARREN REED, FORMER ASIS OFFICER: They're getting some of our most closely guarded secrets and they're being sold by Australian traitors.

NICK GRIMM: In the most serious incident that's been revealed, it's alleged Singapore recruited an Australian military intelligence officer to do its bidding at least 20 years ago.

Despite one arrest being made, it's understood the traitor in the army's intelligence ranks was never caught.

PROFESSOR DES BALL: They still believed that someone was working for the Singaporeans but it was not the individual who had been charged in 1981.

NICK GRIMM: They essentially had the wrong man?

PROFESSOR DES BALL: Yes, there had been suspicions over the past decade that, in so far as some other person had been, and may still have been, working for the Singaporeans, that a fall guy had, in fact, been set up to provide a cover for the operation.

NICK GRIMM: So there is the risk that that compromise of our military intelligence may still exist, that the person may still be out there and may still have access to confidential material?

PROFESSOR DES BALL: That's quite possible.

NICK GRIMM: Lateline understands that ASIO has ensured both the Australian and Singapore governments are fully aware that it knows the extent of the problem.

One of the few official acknowledgements of Singapore's infiltration of our military intelligence system, is a brief mention of espionage by Asian governments in ASIO's 1994 annual report to parliament.

The report stated: "During the year, ASIO identified a number of intelligence functionaries working in Australia and gained new insights into the interests of several foreign governments."

Now, Lateline can make public for the first time that one of the countries of most concern is Singapore.

And, according to Australia's leading military intelligence expert, Professor Des Ball, Singapore did not cease its spying activities when ASIO published its report.

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010808ab.htm

FRANCIS SEOW: Not in the slightest.

Well, what happened in Australia happened earlier in Malaysia.

In fact on this point I might mention that the Malaysians were extremely annoyed and later angered at the continual Singapore Government's spying activities in Malaysia.

Now, to such an extent that, in the late '80s, even the Singapore High Commission, through its High Commissioner, was involved in suborning Malaysian civil servants and armed personnel.

In the result, some 11 Malaysians, civilians -- as well as members of the armed forces -- and civil servants were arrested under the internal security act and the Malaysian Government demanded the recall of the Singapore High Commissioner.

But Singapore was able to get around this by accusing Malaysians themselves of being involved in similar type of activities.

http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010823ab.htm

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:38:18 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:38:18 +0800

Maybe lionnoisy is trying to do his part to keep national secrets safe by spreading misinformation...

Things like rumours of F-18Es being ski-jumped off LHDs (or mini-cvs) as he calls them and rollerblades for our SAF troopers plus crashing Fantail into targets will certainly confuse any spy trying to use sgforums as a source of info.

Espionage in SG replied by arball @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:50:51 +0800

arball — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:50:51 +0800

Originally posted by Gedanken:

Getting a one-bar for spying activities? The fumduck may as well have tried getting his hands on an OCS cadet!

What is this, amateur night?

Oh yeah, I forgot that this is Mr Rollerbaldes talking - it must be the end of the world.

actually, i suppose in today's world, having a lt for spying activities would be rather useless... (assuming tt that lt is just some normal infantry guy)....why is that so?

.... cos sgforums is more powderful! we know more than the lt !

Espionage in SG replied by Gedanken @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:10:50 +0800

Gedanken — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:10:50 +0800

Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:

The thing is, I doubt the ISD will broadcast anything if they caught a really big fish, such a catch is far too valuable to tell to the media, which unfortunately, is all that lionnoisy gets his information from.

Well, I suppose comic books do count as media.

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:25:06 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:25:06 +0800

No surprise he's trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

The truth is, the really good spies are the ones that don't get caught, and the ones that cause the most damage as well.

And very often you won't know it until it's too late.

The thing is, I doubt the ISD will broadcast anything if they caught a really big fish, such a catch is far too valuable to tell to the media, which unfortunately, is all that lionnoisy gets his information from.

And he does not seriously think we do not spy on other nations as well does he? What moral high ground is he trying to take here?

Espionage in SG replied by Gedanken @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:17:40 +0800

Gedanken — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:17:40 +0800

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

One was Anatoly Alexeyevich Larkin, a Soviet military intelligence (GRU) officer, who attempted to cultivate a SAF army officer holding the rank of 2nd Lieutenant to conduct espionage against the SAF.

..

Getting a one-bar for spying activities? The fumduck may as well have tried getting his hands on an OCS cadet!

What is this, amateur night?

Oh yeah, I forgot that this is Mr Rollerbaldes talking - it must be the end of the world.

Espionage in SG replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:26:51 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:26:51 +0800

As expected he starts a new thread after licking his wounds for a day following his latest defeat.

Not too surprised if some might want to spy on us given:

Found a random, if not interesting article:

Singapore, a major commercial hub with loose export controls on weapons, both served as a transshipment point for weapons destined for Iraq, as well as providing chemical warfare precursors and being a site for manufacture, under license, of foreign-designed weapons.

Export controls

Speaking in the British House of Commons, Roger Barry commented that the only truly important thing in arms control is being certain the end user, on the end user certificate, is accurate. "There is no point the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) ticking the box and saying, "They say this is going to our friendly neighbour Austria," or, "This is going to our dear old friend Singapore." From some statistics, it seems that Singapore has the largest navy, air force and army in the world.^[1]

Mine warfare

Some of the most vivid images of the Iran-Iraq war were of Iranian volunteers charging into minefields, to clear them by sacrificing their own lives. Mine warfare in the Persian Gulf was one of the U.S. justifications for direct military action against Iran. It is relevant, then, to identify the sources of those mines.

Italian mine warfare technology

Italy exported land and naval mines both to Iraq and Iran before and during the Iran-Iraq War. Its mine industry revolved around three small companies: Valsella, Misar, and Tecnovar. The latter two were formed by former Valsella employees. All three specialized in landmines and mine-related products and were involved in direct exports and licensed overseas production. Most of their revenues came from exporta, driven by favorable banking and export controls, and public support of military development. ^[2]

Given the importance of minefields, sometimes cleared with nothing but Iranian bravery, the significance of mines cannot be underestimated. See Italian support for Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war for the original Italian role when it directly exported mines, which, after the Italian government enforced export controls, moved its manufacturing to Singapore, using explosives from Oerlikon of Switzerland.

Move of Italian work to Singapore

"With the outbreak of the Iran-Iraq war in September 1980, Valsella began receiving government authorizations for exports to Iraq. A total of seven were granted, the last one issued in 1982 and expiring in January of 1984. The overall value of the exports amounted to more than US $110 million. But political pressures resulted in increasing restrictions on exports to Iraq. To skirt these restrictions, the company set up a new branch abroad in Singapore, where assembled mines with Vasella components and explosive from Bofors in Sweden, for shipment to Iraq in 1982. Mines were exported to Iraq until 1986.

In 1984, Fiat gradually gained control over Valsella and Misar. By this time Valsella mainly focused on the R&D of increasingly sophisticated landmines (like electronic mines and mines with remote control activation, with radio crypto-coded signals), while Misar carried out considerable research and development of naval mines, though not to the exclusion of land systems

Chemical warfare

In December 2002, Iraq's 1,200 page Weapons Declaration revealed a list of Eastern and Western corporations and countries—as well as individuals—that exported chemical and biological materials to Iraq in the past two decades. By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons). The Kim Al-Khaleej firm of Singapore supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq. No searches on this firm have had hits other than for this topic, suggesting it might be a front company for Iraqi procurement.

"Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix came to similar conclusions on Jan. 27, [2002] when he delivered an "update" to the U.N. Security Council based on his inspection efforts in Iraq according to Timmerman, "...Blix's recent report to the United Nations documented many other instances in which Iraq has failed to disclose prohibited weapons. The Iraqi documents, revealed here for the first time, portray a worldwide procurement network that relied on top-drawer assistance from governments and major banks in Europe, Asia and the Middle East. Iraq's suppliers range from huge multinational corporations... little-known entities, such as an outfit identified by the Iraqis as "Kim Al-Khalleej" of Singapore, which they claimed supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX-, sarin- and mustard-gas precursors and production equipment."

The Iraqi disclosure mentioned various companies that have acted as third-country buyers for Iraq..."during the Iran-Iraq war India delivered precursors for warfare agents to Iraq - and later was found to have delivered quantities of the same materials to Iran. Baghdad's middleman at the time, an Iraqi with a German passport, founded a company in Singapore expressly for this purpose."

Espionage in SG replied by arball @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:53:42 +0800

arball — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:53:42 +0800

woohoo! lionnoisy is back!

anws. i remember some time ago thee was an artikel abt the CIA in SG.... idnt follow up on tt one though...

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