SAF Mortar Types replied by Short Ninja @ Sat, 17 May 2008 08:57:51 +0800

Short Ninja — Sat, 17 May 2008 08:57:51 +0800

How come I go course? I was a tan chiak peng mah!! kena go on course non stop until ROD

SAF Mortar Types replied by purpledragon84 @ Sat, 17 May 2008 00:32:00 +0800

purpledragon84 — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:32:00 +0800

how come u go course? i was ammo tech in army haha..

SAF Mortar Types replied by Short Ninja @ Sat, 17 May 2008 00:14:05 +0800

Short Ninja — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:14:05 +0800

I went for the 81mm course donkey years paiseh I cant remember a thing also

SAF Mortar Types replied by purpledragon84 @ Sat, 17 May 2008 00:08:12 +0800

purpledragon84 — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:08:12 +0800

oh paiseh i mean the 81mm hehe.. 60mm i buay hiao hahaha..

SAF Mortar Types replied by Short Ninja @ Sat, 17 May 2008 00:05:07 +0800

Short Ninja — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:05:07 +0800

Cuz I remembered there was a case where the bomb exploded in the barrel killing and maiming the 3 men team and this actually happened not long before they scrap the 60mm

SAF Mortar Types replied by purpledragon84 @ Fri, 16 May 2008 23:54:18 +0800

purpledragon84 — Fri, 16 May 2008 23:54:18 +0800

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

60mm not suited for close terrain fighting anyway I cant quite remember but I think the bomb is armed as soon as it leaves the barrel so it is dangerous unlike the 81mm where the bomb is armed when it is upside down on the descend

well it depends on the fuze actually..

SAF Mortar Types replied by Short Ninja @ Fri, 16 May 2008 21:56:11 +0800

Short Ninja — Fri, 16 May 2008 21:56:11 +0800

60mm not suited for close terrain fighting anyway I cant quite remember but I think the bomb is armed as soon as it leaves the barrel so it is dangerous unlike the 81mm where the bomb is armed when it is upside down on the descend

SAF Mortar Types replied by edwin3060 @ Fri, 16 May 2008 15:55:47 +0800

edwin3060 — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:55:47 +0800

You called? :)

Anyway, I agree with Shotgun-- it is unlikely that our platoons will operate beyond the range of the Bn 120s. I fail to see the advantage of the 60mm platoon mortar in our context-- it is not like we are fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan.

SAF Mortar Types replied by |-|05| @ Fri, 16 May 2008 12:42:12 +0800

|-|05| — Fri, 16 May 2008 12:42:12 +0800

Err…. a slight question here….how many infantry guys do we have in this forum?
I for 1 am an SCE guy.

SAF Mortar Types replied by Shotgun @ Fri, 16 May 2008 00:47:10 +0800

Shotgun — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:47:10 +0800

I think 1 reason why the man-portable mortar was taken out is that the infantry platoon is unlikely to operate out of self-propelled mortar range.

SAF Mortar Types replied by purpledragon84 @ Thu, 15 May 2008 21:10:00 +0800

purpledragon84 — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:10:00 +0800

i duno why singapore have.. i know what singapore have.. haha..

SAF Mortar Types replied by Si Geena @ Thu, 15 May 2008 14:34:27 +0800

Si Geena — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:34:27 +0800

Hey, what do we need the small calibre mortars for? We've got a rather effective indirect fire suppression weapon system in the GL and the 84 (more direct).

KISS for the troopers on the line. Good to have, but no need to have.

SAF Mortar Types replied by spencer99 @ Thu, 15 May 2008 02:27:29 +0800

spencer99 — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:27:29 +0800

I don't think singapore can afford to have an orbat that uses 'man-portable' mortars... I am not sure how many men you will need to service one mortar but I don't think it will be less then 8. 8 men to 1 mortar is too much...

as to over dependency on the 120SR, i agree with you. But given the reality of the situation (lack of manpower), this is the optimize solution... not ideal but the best situation we can have given the reality that we are in.

SAF Mortar Types replied by spencer99 @ Thu, 15 May 2008 02:27:25 +0800

spencer99 — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:27:25 +0800

SAF Mortar Types replied by spencer99 @ Thu, 15 May 2008 02:27:20 +0800

spencer99 — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:27:20 +0800

SAF Mortar Types replied by I-like-flings(m) @ Wed, 14 May 2008 23:17:52 +0800

I-like-flings(m) — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:17:52 +0800

our OPFOR company still using 60mm

SAF Mortar Types replied by arball @ Wed, 14 May 2008 23:12:47 +0800

arball — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:12:47 +0800

hmm

then have to see of your situation lar.....seeing that we're trying to become a highly manueverable and effective force, while still staying small enough, perhaps the 120SR is the current logical way to go...but still some situations would call for special needs lar, so we shld keep the stuff, and ensure that the grunts have at least some exposure to it, so that in war, in case the 120SRs are heavily hit, the backup may still be brought up and used to some effectiveness...(though much less than that of 120SR)

SAF Mortar Types replied by edwin3060 @ Wed, 14 May 2008 16:28:07 +0800

edwin3060 — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:28:07 +0800

Sepecat: Good points, and ideal in a perfect situation. However, we live in an imperfect world where our sections and platoons are small in numbers and already fairly overloaded with equipment. How do you propose we fit a mortar team into the platoon?

Even if that were possible, would it be worth it, given the decrease in mobility that would result from the increase in load?

I think that man-portable mortars are not optimal given the requirements and capabilities of the Infantry. Vehicle mounted on the other hand.. :)

P.S. The Stryker Brigades are basically mechanised Infantry, whereas we are still very much a light, or at most motorised Infantry. You cannot use them as an example of how we should equip our Infantry presently, since I'll bet most of the time their mortars stay on the vehicle anyway.

SAF Mortar Types replied by Fatum @ Wed, 14 May 2008 09:49:34 +0800

Fatum — Wed, 14 May 2008 09:49:34 +0800

we do have organic mortar support for our infantry battalions, that's the 120s ..... cept for the hendon boys, as i've pointed out ...

anything higher up, and you'd be calling in the 155s ....

SAF Mortar Types replied by Sepecat @ Wed, 14 May 2008 09:43:37 +0800

Sepecat — Wed, 14 May 2008 09:43:37 +0800

Reality is that man handled 81s and even 60s are necessary as not all situations one can use 120 SR. Also, as arball pointed out , depending solely on the arty battalion has its risks. Having your own mortars in an infantry battalion gives you very much more responsive fire support when the " sh.." hits the fan.

Thats why in US Army Stryker Brigades the mortar carriers carry 60s and I think also 81s for dismounted use.

SAF Mortar Types replied by Short Ninja @ Tue, 13 May 2008 21:19:59 +0800

Short Ninja — Tue, 13 May 2008 21:19:59 +0800

They were in good condition and all covered in thick grease as I remembered .SAF sure knows how to get rid of stuffs you can bet on that.

SAF Mortar Types replied by purpledragon84 @ Tue, 13 May 2008 21:13:21 +0800

purpledragon84 — Tue, 13 May 2008 21:13:21 +0800

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

The 60mm mortar team was disbanded in 1981 and the mortars were probably sold to a third world country by the end of 80s.

icic.. who dare to use sia.. after us.. after the conditions of storage.. lol..

SAF Mortar Types replied by Short Ninja @ Tue, 13 May 2008 21:06:47 +0800

Short Ninja — Tue, 13 May 2008 21:06:47 +0800

Originally posted by purpledragon84:

yeah i dun really rmb seeing one in the dump

The 60mm mortar team was disbanded in 1981 and the mortars were probably sold to a third world country by the end of 80s.

SAF Mortar Types replied by purpledragon84 @ Tue, 13 May 2008 20:58:28 +0800

purpledragon84 — Tue, 13 May 2008 20:58:28 +0800

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

60mm phased out in the early 80s

yeah i dun really rmb seeing one in the dump..

SAF Mortar Types replied by Short Ninja @ Tue, 13 May 2008 15:05:15 +0800

Short Ninja — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:05:15 +0800

Originally posted by Sepecat:

Can someone tell me if SAF still uses 60 mm and 81 mm mortars in the infantry battalions including PDF units ?

60mm phased out in the early 80s

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