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  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02
  • bengdude's Avatar
    539 posts since Apr '06
  • Humble Bee's Avatar
    4 posts since Nov '06
    • Hi Zacken and Bengdude,

      I've a few LP Thuad and Phra Phom amulets, which I used to wear it during my army days (my army frd introduced the LP Thuad amulet to me, so was a bit blur blur...I should say still green horn...)....

      After my ORD, I've stop wearing it. Only till recently during my housekeeping, I've discovered that my LP Thuad and Phra Phom amulets were kept inside my drawer for more than 6 years...One of the LP Thuad amulet which is in plastic casing had actually cracked (If I could recalled I've accidentally drop it during my army days and the whole plastic casing crack but the LP Thuad statue is still in perfect condition) and I've not sent it for re-casing.

      Recently, I've went over to FLS to have my LP Thuad amulet re-case and send all my amulets (LP Thuad and Phra Phom) to one of the well known local Thai temple for the monk to conduct blessing.

      I'll like to check with all the seniors on the few issues:

      1) If the plastic casing that covers the amulets has cracked, does it means that the "power" inside the amulet is gone? Is it true that once your amulets is broken the power inside the amulet will be gone but for my case it is only the plastic casing that is crack.

      2) Will the "power" inside the amulets be gone if it has been left unattended for a long period of time (like my case, left unattended for 6 years). Cos recently one of my Girlfrd relatives who is a medium had actually view my amulets and told me that my LP Thuad amulet is actually "powerless" even though I've bring it to one of the local Thai temple for the monk to conduct blessing (the blessing is a very short one where I would placed my amulets into a prayer plate and the monk would chant for around 30 secs) ...and how do we know whether my LP Thuad amulets is still effective...any way to determine.
      Cos some of my frd told me just bring it over for the monk to chant and bless shld be sufficient...but after hearing the medium told me that there is actually nothing inside my amulets (The LP Thuad amulets were from Wat Chang Hai Temple)...I'm really in dilemma Question Question Question on who to believe…….nonetheless I’ve still continue wearing it……

      For your advices and comments……

  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by Humble Bee:
      Hi Zacken and Bengdude,

      I've a few LP Thuad and Phra Phom amulets, which I used to wear it during my army days (my army frd introduced the LP Thuad amulet to me, so was a bit blur blur...I should say still green horn...)....

      After my ORD, I've stop wearing it. Only till recently during my housekeeping, I've discovered that my LP Thuad and Phra Phom amulets were kept inside my drawer for more than 6 years...One of the LP Thuad amulet which is in plastic casing had actually cracked (If I could recalled I've accidentally drop it during my army days and the whole plastic casing crack but the LP Thuad statue is still in perfect condition) and I've not sent it for re-casing.

      Recently, I've went over to FLS to have my LP Thuad amulet re-case and send all my amulets (LP Thuad and Phra Phom) to one of the well known local Thai temple for the monk to conduct blessing.

      I'll like to check with all the seniors on the few issues:

      1) If the plastic casing that covers the amulets has cracked, does it means that the "power" inside the amulet is gone? Is it true that once your amulets is broken the power inside the amulet will be gone but for my case it is only the plastic casing that is crack.

      2) Will the "power" inside the amulets be gone if it has been left unattended for a long period of time (like my case, left unattended for 6 years). Cos recently one of my Girlfrd relatives who is a medium had actually view my amulets and told me that my LP Thuad amulet is actually "powerless" even though I've bring it to one of the local Thai temple for the monk to conduct blessing (the blessing is a very short one where I would placed my amulets into a prayer plate and the monk would chant for around 30 secs) ...and how do we know whether my LP Thuad amulets is still effective...any way to determine.
      Cos some of my frd told me just bring it over for the monk to chant and bless shld be sufficient...but after hearing the medium told me that there is actually nothing inside my amulets (The LP Thuad amulets were from Wat Chang Hai Temple)...I'm really in dilemma Question Question Question on who to believe…….nonetheless I’ve still continue wearing it……

      For your advices and comments……

      Hi welcom to SOA...

      1> for your case.. well i never gt to see ur amulet but if only the casing is broken.. its shouldnt b an issue...erm.. lets no use power this word...it sound funny .. we use energy..instead ya..

      2> if a amulet is not bless by an high cultivated monk.. n the wearer himself did not often wear ...the ernergy of the amulet will did slowly dismiss...
      but still faith is the most important when wearing an amulet.. its ur faith that will trigger ur intention waves.. n thus the waves will reach out to mother nature to harness the divine energy....

      my advise for your case , go to a proper thai temple n get a patient monk to properly chant ur amulet...
      dun hv to listen too much... to ppl...since u r already hv the faith with ur amulet..the bonding is there.. it shouldnt b a problem..

      btw... when my mentor was still alive..he always tell me that LP tuad amulet is the best for those non cultivating wearer..becos all its bucha or amulet..as long as its being recon as lp tuad ..it will hv divine protection energy.... Cool

  • Humble Bee's Avatar
    4 posts since Nov '06
    • Hi Zacken and all seniors

      Thank you for ur advices and quick response.

      Till nw I'm still wearing the LP Thuad amulet, so every morning when I reach my Office Car Park, I'll hold the amulet in between my palm and pray for work "soon soon", health and protection for my family, my Girlfriend and myself. So everyday after work, the amulet will be hang at my Living Room. (use to

      You did mentioned that to send the amulet to patient high cultivated monk for blessing and chanting. Do you have any recommendation, and how do I approach the monk? Cos from what I've noticed most of the devotees that went to that temple would just place the amulets and the monk would just chant and sprinkle holy water on the devotees and the amulets itself. Is his sufficient enogh?

      Is there any LP Thuad chanting which I could pray on my amulet?

      Keekekeke pai say for posting so many green horn questions cos I'm a late beginner and starter.......But will keep on learning........ Smile

      Other seniors and SOA members can share their views and comments too Very Happy

      Your input will assist me in my learning. Smile

      Regards
      Humble Bee

  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by Humble Bee:
      Hi Zacken and all seniors

      Thank you for ur advices and quick response.

      Till nw I'm still wearing the LP Thuad amulet, so every morning when I reach my Office Car Park, I'll hold the amulet in between my palm and pray for work "soon soon", health and protection for my family, my Girlfriend and myself. So everyday after work, the amulet will be hang at my Living Room. (use to

      You did mentioned that to send the amulet to patient high cultivated monk for blessing and chanting. Do you have any recommendation, and how do I approach the monk? Cos from what I've noticed most of the devotees that went to that temple would just place the amulets and the monk would just chant and sprinkle holy water on the devotees and the amulets itself. Is his sufficient enogh?

      Is there any LP Thuad chanting which I could pray on my amulet?

      Keekekeke pai say for posting so many green horn questions cos I'm a late beginner and starter.......But will keep on learning........ Smile

      Other seniors and SOA members can share their views and comments too Very Happy

      Your input will assist me in my learning. Smile

      Regards
      Humble Bee

      Hi u can go to KANCANARAMA BUDDHIST TEMPLE along upper paya lebar rd lor Ong lye ...

      when u step into the temple, from 8am to 5pm, at the right hand corner, there will be a monk sitting there ready to bless ur amulet...

      there is a LP tuad chant .. but i dun hv the short 1.. the 1 i hv is abt 2 page long...

      its ok to ask... anyway.. im also in my process of learning... Cool

  • Wishmaster3838's Avatar
    566 posts since Feb '06
    • Originally posted by Humble Bee:
      Hi Zacken and all seniors

      Thank you for ur advices and quick response.

      Till nw I'm still wearing the LP Thuad amulet, so every morning when I reach my Office Car Park, I'll hold the amulet in between my palm and pray for work "soon soon", health and protection for my family, my Girlfriend and myself. So everyday after work, the amulet will be hang at my Living Room. (use to

      You did mentioned that to send the amulet to patient high cultivated monk for blessing and chanting. Do you have any recommendation, and how do I approach the monk? Cos from what I've noticed most of the devotees that went to that temple would just place the amulets and the monk would just chant and sprinkle holy water on the devotees and the amulets itself. Is his sufficient enogh?

      Is there any LP Thuad chanting which I could pray on my amulet?

      Keekekeke pai say for posting so many green horn questions cos I'm a late beginner and starter.......But will keep on learning........ Smile

      Other seniors and SOA members can share their views and comments too Very Happy

      Your input will assist me in my learning. Smile

      Regards
      Humble Bee

      Hi welcome to SOA.Hope you enjoy your stay here sharing your views and comments.

      Here is the LP Thuad short katha.

      Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Samma sambuddhassa x 3

      LP Thuad : Namo Bodhisatto Akantimaya Iti Bhagava x 3

      It would be best if you could chant it daily with faith just before you wear your LP Thuad amulets.

      Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

  • Humble Bee's Avatar
    4 posts since Nov '06
    • Thank you bro...That’s Great Help

      Will try to memorise the chanting.

      Today afternoon, after my lunch, I went over to Sempang Bedok Thai temple for praying...noticed that the temple is undergoing some major upgrading and the Phra Phom, Ahjan Toh and LP Thuad statue are missing...previously saw the monks pasting some gold paper on the statue itself.

      After my prayer to Lord Buddha, I proceed into the room to have blessing by the monk. Prior to my turn, I've noticed several red plastic pails (inside I think got umbrella, food cans, toothpaste etc....) and 4 devotees each carry the red pails and a small metal bottle which is fill with water (the metal bottle look like "Wu Lo") into the monk room for blessing...The Monk would chant some prayer and the devotees would follow the monk’s chanting. After chanting, the 4 devotees would pour the water onto a bowl also saw some people carry packets of rice, cooking oils, can foods, candles, etc (which I think they purchase from the nearby provision shop). for the monk to bless.

      Also saw a Buddha statue beside the room name “LP Yoke” heard that it is for wealth and fortune.

      Out of curiosity...what is this ritual for? Are the items meant for the monks or for the devotees? What is the purpose for this ritual?

      Regards
      Humble Bee

  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by Humble Bee:
      Thank you bro...That’s Great Help

      Will try to memorise the chanting.

      Today afternoon, after my lunch, I went over to Sempang Bedok Thai temple for praying...noticed that the temple is undergoing some major upgrading and the Phra Phom, Ahjan Toh and LP Thuad statue are missing...previously saw the monks pasting some gold paper on the statue itself.

      After my prayer to Lord Buddha, I proceed into the room to have blessing by the monk. Prior to my turn, I've noticed several red plastic pails (inside I think got umbrella, food cans, toothpaste etc....) and 4 devotees each carry the red pails and a small metal bottle which is fill with water (the metal bottle look like "Wu Lo") into the monk room for blessing...The Monk would chant some prayer and the devotees would follow the monk’s chanting. After chanting, the 4 devotees would pour the water onto a bowl also saw some people carry packets of rice, cooking oils, can foods, candles, etc (which I think they purchase from the nearby provision shop). for the monk to bless.

      Also saw a Buddha statue beside the room name “LP Yoke” heard that it is for wealth and fortune.

      Out of curiosity...what is this ritual for? Are the items meant for the monks or for the devotees? What is the purpose for this ritual?

      Regards
      Humble Bee

      hi.. its a normal luck enhancing ritual..

      the item r meant for the monk...

      when they offer the stuff to the monk as a kind of offering.. the monk will chant to bless the person in return..

  • Mitfox's Avatar
    42 posts since Apr '05
  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by Mitfox:
      My LP Thuad katha have this word 'Na Ca Li Ti' at the end of the 2nd verse.

      erm... izzit?

      care to share the whole verse?

  • Mitfox's Avatar
    42 posts since Apr '05
    • It is exactly the same short Katha that Wishmaster3838 posted but with the words added:

      Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Samma sambuddhassa x 3

      Namo Bodhisatto Akantimaya Iti Bhagava Na Ca Li Ti x 3

      This was obtained from another forum. It was said that 'Na Ca Li Ti' add luck/fortune to the person reading the Katha in addition to the protection.

      I also have a book with LP Thuad story printed in english and chinese. The last page have the above Katha in it athough the luck/fortune thingy wasn't mentioned.

  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by Mitfox:
      It is exactly the same short Katha that Wishmaster3838 posted but with the words added:

      Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Samma sambuddhassa x 3

      Namo Bodhisatto Akantimaya Iti Bhagava Na Ca Li Ti x 3

      This was obtained from another forum. It was said that 'Na Ca Li Ti' add luck/fortune to the person reading the Katha in addition to the protection.

      I also have a book with LP Thuad story printed in english and chinese. The last page have the above Katha in it athough the luck/fortune thingy wasn't mentioned.

      i think.. for LP Thuad...katha.. this na ca li ti..was never appeear...

  • Wishmaster3838's Avatar
    566 posts since Feb '06
    • Originally posted by Mitfox:
      It is exactly the same short Katha that Wishmaster3838 posted but with the words added:

      Namo Tassa Bhagavato Arahato Samma sambuddhassa x 3

      Namo Bodhisatto Akantimaya Iti Bhagava Na Ca Li Ti x 3

      This was obtained from another forum. It was said that 'Na Ca Li Ti' add luck/fortune to the person reading the Katha in addition to the protection.

      I also have a book with LP Thuad story printed in english and chinese. The last page have the above Katha in it athough the luck/fortune thingy wasn't mentioned.

      Erm..from my humble understanding for LP Thuad gatha.

      I do not think there is a verse with Na Ca Li Ti in the short or the full version.

      I guess this verse is added in by those merchant.

      LP Thuad gatha is one of the strong energy gatha for protection / sickness.

      Speaking about fortune wise , i do not think so.But for luck raising yes.

      Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

  • bengdude's Avatar
    539 posts since Apr '06
    • Originally posted by Wishmaster3838:
      Erm..from my humble understanding for LP Thuad gatha.

      I do not think there is a verse with Na Ca Li Ti in the short or the full version.

      I guess this verse is added in by those merchant.

      LP Thuad gatha is one of the strong energy gatha for protection / sickness.

      Speaking about fortune wise , i do not think so.But for luck raising yes.

      Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

      Hi Bro,

      I remembered my mentor told me b4 that a old LP Thuad make of herb is good for sickness.

  • Wishmaster3838's Avatar
    566 posts since Feb '06
    • Here this the info to share and add on regarding LP Thuad gatha with " Na Ja Li Ti "

      Na Ja Li Ti is the heart mantra of Phra Sivali ( Sometimes written as Phra Chimbali ) Most of the yant of Phra Sivali have these words wriiten on it. It brings luck. This Na Ja Li Ti was added to enhance the luck by someone ( so far nobody has claim it )

      Even the gatha written in Pasart Ah Khom Language at the back of LP Thuat ( iron -shaped
      amulet ) does not have this Na Ja Li Ti. It only have the original gatha written on it.

      Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

      Edited by Wishmaster3838 23 Nov `06, 3:11PM
    • Originally posted by bengdude:
      Hi Bro,

      I remembered my mentor told me b4 that a old LP Thuad make of herb is good for sickness.

      Hi bro Bengdude ,

      Erm...I am not too sure which one you are referring to because LP Thuad have alot of his amulets make with herb.I do have a collection of LP Thuad.Its was also the first amulet that i have chow.

      I have use LP Thuad gatha to relieved my son sickness before.It works well.

      All thanks to my mentor who teaches me this gatha.

      Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

  • bengdude's Avatar
    539 posts since Apr '06
    • Originally posted by Wishmaster3838:
      Hi bro Bengdude ,

      Erm...I am not too sure which one you are referring to because LP Thuad have alot of his amulets make with herb.I do have a collection of LP Thuad.Its was also the first amulet that i have chow.

      I have use LP Thuad gatha to relieved my son sickness before.It works well.

      All thanks to my mentor who teaches me this gatha.

      Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

      Hi Bro wishmaster,

      Wat i meant is generally those old LP Thuad amulets make of herbs is good for curing sickness. When i'm into the journey of amulet collection, i was thinking to chow a LP Thuad amulet (think and searching for a nice one). A fren of mine passed me a LP Thuad Wat Changhai and just ask for a ang bow to be tamboon. On my birthday, another fren of mine whom is an old time amulet collect gave me another LP Thuad on my birthday. According to him, he chowed from temple 40yrs back.

      Sharing my LP Thuad amulet.

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  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02


    • Dear Member,

      Namo Amitabha,

      Recently I have the good fate to meet a Thai friend, as Jatukham Ramathep Amulets is very famous in Thailand now, and coincidently he is a Jatukham Ramathep Amulets collector. So, I ask him why Jatukham Ramathep Amulets become so popular in Thailand within such a short period, for merely less then five years? (BE2550).

      I wish to share the information gather for my Thai friend with all members in this forum. Jatukham amulets is the most in trend amulets in Thailand now, from the information gathered, the reason why Jatukham amulets becoming such a hot and expensive items is because His Highness The King is wearing a Jatukham amulet presented by Archan KhunPan.

      According to my friend, one day the King is not feeling well, so His Highness went to visit the doctor with the company of bodyguards. As the doctor examine the King, the doctor decided to give The King an injection. Something strange happened, the needle can’t penetrate the King skin!

      As a doctor living in a Buddhist Kingdom, out of respect and curiosity, the doctor ask the King what His Majesty wearing or do to His Highness Himself? Until the medicine injection needle can’t penetrate His Highness skin! Under the eyes of the doctor and The King Bodyguard, the King pulls out a Jatukham amulet and proceeds with the injection and medical examination.

      After that incident, news spread, the price and popularity of Jatukham amulets which first created on BE2530, soaring higher and higher, until today. (BE2550)

      I am definitely not doing any promotion here, till this moment I never posses any Jatukham amulets by Archan KhunPan, I only collect amulets in the form of triple gems, like Guru Monks, Bodhisattvas and Buddha, not in other form. Because only the Arahants, Bodhisattvas or Lord Buddha we can fully trust.

      Confucius told all his followers to keep a distance from spirits and deities with Respect Even the almighty god or divas from the higher realms we can’t fully trust, because Gods, divas or spirits still trap inside the six realms, have feelings, desires, and differentiations. Only Arahants, Bodhisattvas and Buddhas are the one who is truly compassionate, and can be trusted by all beings for protection and teachings.

      I once told by a guru monk, as Buddhist we must follow the “Teaching” of Lord Buddha, practice the Dharma, don’t waste time in praying for wealth or happiness from others form of Beings or even Deva, because life of human beings is very short.

      I am not a Jatukham amulets collector; the above article is written base on the information gathers from my Thai friend. I have no intention to criticize any Holy Beings, Gods, Deities, Divas, any members or dealers in this forum. But I do welcome other members to share their views and experiences in collecting Jatukham amulets with me, in this forum.

      I have to admit that, including myself, most of the members in this forum love to collect Thai amulets or talismans, but please don’t sway away from the middle path. We can’t bring our collection to the grave, and even if our next generation buried us with our beloved collection, it’s doesn’t mean anything, do any good or give any help to us after life.

      We can’t bring anything to our next life only our good deeds and bad karma, so why spend our hard earn money and especially our most precious time into some Super Famous and Popular Amulets? Do you believed me? You will gain more merit and protection, if you sincerely spend one thousand dollars in practicing the art of life liberation, donations to the poor or charities, then spending the same amount of money on some Super Famous and Popular amulets?

      Please follow the dharma and if you have some extra money, do more charities with a pure heart, because only good deeds and karma, we are carrying into our next incarnation, not any powerful Super Famous and Popular amulets…

      Back to the topic about Jatukham Ramathep amulets, which famous in bring wealth and good fortune to wearers, as a Buddhist, I do feel confuse at first and can’t explain why for those people who don’t practice the art of giving can enjoy the fortune just by wearing the amulet, after days of searching, by coincident, maybe by luck or blessing from Buddha, I come across a book by Rev. Zen Yen, the Q & A of Buddhism, the Rev. told us, statue, water or other objects (please allow me to refer as sacred objects in this article). If this objects blessed by a holy man or woman in any religions who really practiced deep meditation and have the purities to bless others, do posses some kind of power that help the human beings in ways to improve their life, relationship, health or fortune.

      The power of this sacred objects is not eternal, but only for a period of time depends on the level of practice and purities of the person who blessed the objects. For example, if a person has a fortune-fetching object, bless by a holy man and he do wear it and enjoy the wealth due to the blessing. Actually, the fortune the wearer enjoying at that moment, is the wealth belongs to him due to the good deeds or good karma of his pass actions.

      In other words, what he is enjoying now is his own wealth in the future. The fortune is just being carry forward by the sacred objects, he just enjoy it earlier after blessing by the sacred object. It’s just like getting a loan from the bank, one day we still have to “Pay Back” our debts. According to the same book, if the person do use the fortune bring by the sacred objects in a good way, to do good deeds by practicing the art of giving, he or she will enjoy a greater fortune in the future, because in Buddhism, he is just using his own wealth from the future to practice the art of giving. So, it is just like an investment, a very good investment that guarantees to bring great wealth and fortune in future. Life is like banking, if we do good, then good deeds is debiting into our bank account, if we do bad, we are drawing out our hard earn savings.

      In this modern and materialistic era, not all of us have the fate to posses a well bless sacred object like a true fortune fetching amulets, we must have the luck and fate with the great guru who blessed on that sacred objects, if we do own one.

      Sacred objects or good great amulets is very hard to come by, not to mentioned in the extent of posses one, so I hope those members who posses such good great amulets, please follow the teaching of Lord Buddha and do practice the art of giving. Use the sacred objects or amulets in the correct way, to help other beings and our own self, to shape a better society and a built a better life in this world. Because you are the blessed and lucky one who have the “Good Fate” to posses such a sacred objects.

      I wish to clarified one very important thing, I am an amulets collector myself, amulets collecting are a very health hobby, in this democratic era, we have all the rights to decide how we want to use our hard earned money. Compare with smoking, drinking alcoholic drinks, clubbing, womanizing & etc. Amulets collecting is very health, as it’s can be a form of investment too which can help us during rainy days, just like collecting valuable stamps, classic sport cars, precious old coins, rare sea shells, vintage watches, antiquities & etc.

      Most members in this forum, maybe one hundreds percents! Belongs to the most gifted minorities group of human beings in this world, who afford to have spare time and money, to collect amulets and surf the Internet. If you were one of the minorities in this world who can afford to have some spare time and money, I strongly believed that, you will gain more merit and protection, if you sincerely spend ten percent of your money which plan to rent an amulet, in practicing the art of life liberation, donations to the poor or do charities & etc. Then saving the ten percent of money and giving it to some great “Amulet Dealers”.

      Believed me, if you don’t do any charities with a pure and sincere heart, even you are wearing the full set of Jatukham Ramathep amulets or the most expensive grand five amulets in Thailand is also useless! You won’t get any blessing from the triple gems! Because only good deeds and bad karma, we are carrying into our next incarnation, not amulets…

      You “Must” do charities with a pure heart! If you want to get the blessing from the triple gems of the Buddha Amulets you are wearing!

      If you do charities with a pure heart! You will get the blessing from the triple gems; even you are not wearing any Buddha Amulets!

      Please use your hard earned money with wisdom. If you don’t donate money to temples or charities organizations, at least spare some of your amulets collecting fund for your own parents, children and family, give a small amount of extra money to those who really care about you, like your parents or the family members that you loved. As New Year is approaching, a small, any not too expensive and useful gift to all family members, do mean a lot to them...

      I am a beginner in Buddhism, do correct me if I am wrong, please don’t feel offended or believed in all the words that I said, before a human achieved the level of Arahantship, his or her mind is still fill with certain doses of 3 poisons, that’s greed, hatred and ignorance and cannot be fully trusted.

      I wish to clarify that, I have no intentions to criticize or promote any amulets. Buddhism or other religions, Gods, Dieties, Devas, countries, devotees, people, groups or members in this forum, please don’t feel hesitate to share you views in this forum, even you haven’t achieved the level of Arahantship, you do have the abilities to analyze, as all living beings are endowed with the Buddha nature.

      Thank you very much for your precious time in reading this article; I welcome other members here to share their views, thoughts and valuable advice with me and other members in this forum.

      May the blessing of the Buddha and Bodhisattvas of the ten directions be upon all sentient beings!

      Thank you for your precious time, please feel free to express your view and share your thoughts with all of us.

      Namo Amitabha,
      KienLai.

      May all beings be well and happy


      Quoted from buddhism4u.com forum..


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    • Mongala Sutta

      From the Dhamma teaching of Phramongkolthepmuni
      on 18 April, 1954

      “Now I shall introduce a teaching that leads to the greatest progression for Buddhism and the world.

      The Buddha taught this Sutta because it is the path to prosperity and greatness of humanity, and the following three wisdoms are the supreme merits that all humans should observe:

      Arati Virati Papa: Abstention from killing and harming living creatures, or complete and entire abstention from committing evil.
      Majja pana ca sanyamo: Abstention from taking intoxicants.
      Appamado ca dhammesu: Caution in one’s action to be in accordance with Dhamma teaching.
      These merits are the source of ultimate success.

      Arati Virati Papa: ‘Papa’ is translated as evil or sin. Complete abstention from evil is “Arati Papa” while entire abstention is ‘Virati Papa’. When combining these two phrases, we have ‘Arati Virati Papa’, or the entire and complete abstention from evil.

      Indeed, there is a distinction between entire abstention and complete abstention. One can abstain entirely but not completely. And that is how all beings are.”

      Explanation

      The meaning of abstention from sin in THE theoretical sense:

      The 38 Blessings of Life is the source of prosperity for all humans. Luang Pu Wat Paknam clearly described the 19th Blesssings, the abstention from sin (“Arati Virati Papa”).

      It can be broken down for a better understanding as:

      Papa which means sin or evil and all MALEVOLENCE in the world.
      Arati Papa means complete abstention from sin.
      Virati Papa means entire abstention from sin.

      Abstention is avoidance of the body, speech, and mind.
      Completeness refers to an end to togetherness, or non-correlation.
      Entireness refers to wholeness of everything and everywhere.

      Thus, “Arati Virati Papa” means non-involvement of the body, speech, and mind with all sins, malevolence, and evils in the world. In this part of the teaching, Luang Pu Wat Paknam pointed out that sin is a deterioration of the mind. When a sin exists in a mind, it plagues and controls that mind, consuming the mind like eroding acid on metal. With such degeneration, our
      thoughts, speech and deeds will also turn to evil, consequently giving rise to more sins that further damage the mind. Such is the path of danger that leads to suffering in this life and the next.

      In order to eliminate the cause of evil in the world, one must begin with the abstention of sins within the mind.

      Luang Pu Wat Paknam further stated:

      “One should know how to abstain entirely and completely from sins. When there is evil in our body, we may behave sinfully by killing, stealing, or committing adultery. With evil in our speech, we may lie, curse or speak provokingly and uselessly. With evil in our mind, we may become deluded, greedy or vindictive. We must abstain completely and entirely from these ten deeds. Such abstention is called the “Ten Kusalakammapatha”

      Explanation

      How shall we refrain?
      From the teaching of the Buddha, Luang Pu Wat Paknam described that all humans can act both righteously and wrongfully through only three ways: the body, the speech, or the mind. If an act is good, it is called “Kusalakammapatha”, and if bad, it is called “Akusalakammapatha”.

      The Buddha distinguished the Ten Akusalakammapatha as follows:
      Three ways of committing evil through the body:
      1. Killing.
      2. Stealing, Cheating, or Bribing.
      3. Committing adultery.

      Four ways of committing evil through the speech:
      1. Lying, not telling the truth.
      2. Cursing or using impolite language
      3. Inciting conflicts between people, or accusing others.
      4. Speaking uselessly, unreliably.

      Three ways of committing evil through the mind:
      1. Being greedy, wishing for others’ possessions
      2. Being revengeful, obsessing with retaliation, wanting to kill or harm others.
      3. Having a wrong understanding of the truth, or perceiving what is good as bad and what is bad as good such as believing that there are no such things as karma, sin or merits.

      These ten deeds are the cause of deterioration of merits and righteousness. Thus everyone should omit such evils of the body, speech, and mind.

      In contrast to the Ten Akusalakammapatha, there exists the Ten Kusalakammapatha, which all Buddhists must observe, for they cause the flow of all merits and righteousness in the world into the body, speech and mind.

      This commitment to the Ten Kusalakammapatha is the complete and entire abstention from sins that Luang Pu Wat Paknam emphasized so often.

      “Complete and entire abstention from evil is one thing, but Cetana virati is another. Cetana virati is abstention from any intention to harm others, to steal, to cheat or deceive, to commit sexual misconduct, to curse or provoke anger of others, and to speak uselessly. It also includes an intention to dissociate oneself from greed, anger, and wrong perception of the truth
      (wrong opinion). This is Arati Virati Papa~~~~ to refrain from evil within the mind.

      The Buddha once stated: “Cetana ha bhikkhave Sila (Consider this, Bhikhus, intention itself is Sila). To become Upasaka (layperson), one must completely abstain from such evil thoughts. As Bhikkhus (monks), however, one must refrain from such intentions to an even greater extent. If one cannot do so, one should be disciplined. This is ‘Arati Virati Papa.’ ‘Papa’ is evil and dirtiness. When it is both evil and dirty, it is the
      worst kind of ‘Papa’. Thus, abstention from such things is the best.”

      Explanation

      Abstention from sin in a practical sense In the practice of discipline for the body, speech, and mind, Luang Pu Wat Paknam showed the way of complete and entire abstention from the cause of evil itself, which is to control the mind so that an intention of committing sin or evil can no longer exist within. One should become determined in refusing to be tempted by these sins. Doing so is called Cetana virati.

      Cetana means a determination, purpose.
      Virati means to end or break away

      Thus, Cetana virati means a determination to break away from sin such as greed, vengeance and anger, or wrong opinions.
      Why did Luang Pu teach us to abstain from evil by controlling our intention?

      Without any doubt, control of our intention extends to control of our body and speech. With the mind under control, the body and speech can be directed to avoid evil, like a ship that can be maneuvered to avoid obstacles. The Buddha described intention as “Sila” (morality). By controlling intention, one can therefore prevent evil from flowing to the body, speech and mind, and
      always remain within the realm of morality (Sila) and righteousness.

      How can we control intention of the mind to desist from evil?
      There exist three levels of abstention from evil.
      1. Sammapatti virati
      2. Samadana virati
      3. Samuccheda virati

      Sammapatti virati means unintentional abstention. When one has no intention of maintaining Sila (or precepts) but confronts a situation that may violate rules of morality, one may decide to abstain from it. For example, a person may not kill when he can do so. Or he may not take another’s belongings when
      given an opportunity.

      Samadana virati means abstention as practice. This happens when one has an intention to maintain Sila and break away from greed, anger, and wrong opinions. And one does so when confronted with morally questionable situations.

      Samuccheda virati means complete and entire abstention.
      Such level of abstention can only be achieved by persons who reach a greater understanding of Dhamma (Sotapana ). Such a person naturally observes the five precepts as Sila has penetrated so deeply inside that person’s mind that it is like a sun with an absence of darkness.

      All these levels of abstentions depend on the control of our mind to maintain purity. Luang Pu Wat Paknam frequently urged all Buddhists to make an earnest commitment to meditation in order to control the mind and abstain from evils.

      We should be determined to practice meditation to attain Dhammakaya within so that we would not live our lives in vain in this existence.

      source from > buddhism4u.com author >enci

  • Mor_nang's Avatar
    8 posts since Dec '06
    • Originally posted by zacken99:
      Mongala Sutta

      From the Dhamma teaching of Phramongkolthepmuni
      on 18 April, 1954

      “Now I shall introduce a teaching that leads to the greatest progression for Buddhism and the world.

      The Buddha taught this Sutta because it is the path to prosperity and greatness of humanity, and the following three wisdoms are the supreme merits that all humans should observe:

      Arati Virati Papa: Abstention from killing and harming living creatures, or complete and entire abstention from committing evil.
      Majja pana ca sanyamo: Abstention from taking intoxicants.
      Appamado ca dhammesu: Caution in one’s action to be in accordance with Dhamma teaching.
      These merits are the source of ultimate success.

      Arati Virati Papa: ‘Papa’ is translated as evil or sin. Complete abstention from evil is “Arati Papa” while entire abstention is ‘Virati Papa’. When combining these two phrases, we have ‘Arati Virati Papa’, or the entire and complete abstention from evil.

      Indeed, there is a distinction between entire abstention and complete abstention. One can abstain entirely but not completely. And that is how all beings are.”

      Explanation

      The meaning of abstention from sin in THE theoretical sense:

      The 38 Blessings of Life is the source of prosperity for all humans. Luang Pu Wat Paknam clearly described the 19th Blesssings, the abstention from sin (“Arati Virati Papa”).

      It can be broken down for a better understanding as:

      Papa which means sin or evil and all MALEVOLENCE in the world.
      Arati Papa means complete abstention from sin.
      Virati Papa means entire abstention from sin.

      Abstention is avoidance of the body, speech, and mind.
      Completeness refers to an end to togetherness, or non-correlation.
      Entireness refers to wholeness of everything and everywhere.

      Thus, “Arati Virati Papa” means non-involvement of the body, speech, and mind with all sins, malevolence, and evils in the world. In this part of the teaching, Luang Pu Wat Paknam pointed out that sin is a deterioration of the mind. When a sin exists in a mind, it plagues and controls that mind, consuming the mind like eroding acid on metal. With such degeneration, our
      thoughts, speech and deeds will also turn to evil, consequently giving rise to more sins that further damage the mind. Such is the path of danger that leads to suffering in this life and the next.

      In order to eliminate the cause of evil in the world, one must begin with the abstention of sins within the mind.

      Luang Pu Wat Paknam further stated:

      “One should know how to abstain entirely and completely from sins. When there is evil in our body, we may behave sinfully by killing, stealing, or committing adultery. With evil in our speech, we may lie, curse or speak provokingly and uselessly. With evil in our mind, we may become deluded, greedy or vindictive. We must abstain completely and entirely from these ten deeds. Such abstention is called the “Ten Kusalakammapatha”

      Explanation

      How shall we refrain?
      From the teaching of the Buddha, Luang Pu Wat Paknam described that all humans can act both righteously and wrongfully through only three ways: the body, the speech, or the mind. If an act is good, it is called “Kusalakammapatha”, and if bad, it is called “Akusalakammapatha”.

      The Buddha distinguished the Ten Akusalakammapatha as follows:
      Three ways of committing evil through the body:
      1. Killing.
      2. Stealing, Cheating, or Bribing.
      3. Committing adultery.

      Four ways of committing evil through the speech:
      1. Lying, not telling the truth.
      2. Cursing or using impolite language
      3. Inciting conflicts between people, or accusing others.
      4. Speaking uselessly, unreliably.

      Three ways of committing evil through the mind:
      1. Being greedy, wishing for others’ possessions
      2. Being revengeful, obsessing with retaliation, wanting to kill or harm others.
      3. Having a wrong understanding of the truth, or perceiving what is good as bad and what is bad as good such as believing that there are no such things as karma, sin or merits.

      These ten deeds are the cause of deterioration of merits and righteousness. Thus everyone should omit such evils of the body, speech, and mind.

      In contrast to the Ten Akusalakammapatha, there exists the Ten Kusalakammapatha, which all Buddhists must observe, for they cause the flow of all merits and righteousness in the world into the body, speech and mind.

      This commitment to the Ten Kusalakammapatha is the complete and entire abstention from sins that Luang Pu Wat Paknam emphasized so often.

      “Complete and entire abstention from evil is one thing, but Cetana virati is another. Cetana virati is abstention from any intention to harm others, to steal, to cheat or deceive, to commit sexual misconduct, to curse or provoke anger of others, and to speak uselessly. It also includes an intention to dissociate oneself from greed, anger, and wrong perception of the truth
      (wrong opinion). This is Arati Virati Papa~~~~ to refrain from evil within the mind.

      The Buddha once stated: “Cetana ha bhikkhave Sila (Consider this, Bhikhus, intention itself is Sila). To become Upasaka (layperson), one must completely abstain from such evil thoughts. As Bhikkhus (monks), however, one must refrain from such intentions to an even greater extent. If one cannot do so, one should be disciplined. This is ‘Arati Virati Papa.’ ‘Papa’ is evil and dirtiness. When it is both evil and dirty, it is the
      worst kind of ‘Papa’. Thus, abstention from such things is the best.”

      Explanation

      Abstention from sin in a practical sense In the practice of discipline for the body, speech, and mind, Luang Pu Wat Paknam showed the way of complete and entire abstention from the cause of evil itself, which is to control the mind so that an intention of committing sin or evil can no longer exist within. One should become determined in refusing to be tempted by these sins. Doing so is called Cetana virati.

      Cetana means a determination, purpose.
      Virati means to end or break away

      Thus, Cetana virati means a determination to break away from sin such as greed, vengeance and anger, or wrong opinions.
      Why did Luang Pu teach us to abstain from evil by controlling our intention?

      Without any doubt, control of our intention extends to control of our body and speech. With the mind under control, the body and speech can be directed to avoid evil, like a ship that can be maneuvered to avoid obstacles. The Buddha described intention as “Sila” (morality). By controlling intention, one can therefore prevent evil from flowing to the body, speech and mind, and
      always remain within the realm of morality (Sila) and righteousness.

      How can we control intention of the mind to desist from evil?
      There exist three levels of abstention from evil.
      1. Sammapatti virati
      2. Samadana virati
      3. Samuccheda virati

      Sammapatti virati means unintentional abstention. When one has no intention of maintaining Sila (or precepts) but confronts a situation that may violate rules of morality, one may decide to abstain from it. For example, a person may not kill when he can do so. Or he may not take another’s belongings when
      given an opportunity.

      Samadana virati means abstention as practice. This happens when one has an intention to maintain Sila and break away from greed, anger, and wrong opinions. And one does so when confronted with morally questionable situations.

      Samuccheda virati means complete and entire abstention.
      Such level of abstention can only be achieved by persons who reach a greater understanding of Dhamma (Sotapana ). Such a person naturally observes the five precepts as Sila has penetrated so deeply inside that person’s mind that it is like a sun with an absence of darkness.

      All these levels of abstentions depend on the control of our mind to maintain purity. Luang Pu Wat Paknam frequently urged all Buddhists to make an earnest commitment to meditation in order to control the mind and abstain from evils.

      We should be determined to practice meditation to attain Dhammakaya within so that we would not live our lives in vain in this existence.

      source from > buddhism4u.com author >enci

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    • Dear all of amulet lover at Singapore.

      I am Thai guy. I am very happy that I found this website so that i could share amulet infomation in Thailand for you. Moreover, I am very sorry when I saw many foreigners hang Thai amulet. But they do not even know the amulets they hang are crab or unpure amulet in our Thai tradition.

      Sharing our infomation together. Do good get good. Do bad get bad.

      Email to me: metaljuniordt@hotmail.com

      Your faitfully,
      Archie

  • zacken99's Avatar
    12,618 posts since Nov '02
    • Originally posted by shanhaofopai:
      Dear all of amulet lover at Singapore.

      I am Thai guy. I am very happy that I found this website so that i could share amulet infomation in Thailand for you. Moreover, I am very sorry when I saw many foreigners hang Thai amulet. But they do not even know the amulets they hang are crab or unpure amulet in our Thai tradition.

      Sharing our infomation together. Do good get good. Do bad get bad.

      Email to me: metaljuniordt@hotmail.com

      Your faitfully,
      Archie

      hi welcom to SOA........hope to see u share more in the forum...

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