Dear Members,

As the previous owner and moderators have decided to discontinue their involvement in this forum, we will be holding moderator selections to pass the management of this forum on.

I would like to invite all who are interested in the position of moderator for these forums to please PM me. Please include in your PM a short message to the community introducing yourself - who you are, where you are from, why you are interested in the post, why we should choose you, etc etc.

You will be Role Models and Leaders, tasked with upholding Peace, Order and Justice in our forum.

Closing date for applicants is 8th December 2007.

APPLY NOW!

2nd time

Good job

Originally posted by Jason:

This forum is not for religious debate or contention. Please refrain from any such postings.

Originally posted by Jason:

Dear Members,

As the previous owner and moderators have decided to discontinue their involvement in this forum, we will be holding moderator selections to pass the management of this forum on.

I would like to invite all who are interested in the position of moderator for these forums to please PM me. Please include in your PM a short message to the community introducing yourself - who you are, where you are from, why you are interested in the post, why we should choose you, etc etc.

You will be Role Models and Leaders, tasked with upholding Peace, Order and Justice in our forum.

Closing date for applicants is 8th December 2007.

APPLY NOW!

It should be noted that sillyme had requested for this forum to be totally removed.

On the assumption that this forum is to be continued (against the wishes of the forum creator).... what powers do future moderators have to "upholding Peace, Order and Justice in our forum." and how can these moderators ensure that "this forum is not for religious debate or contention. Please refrain from any such postings."???

Originally posted by Chin Eng:


[b]It should be noted that sillyme had requested for this forum to be totally removed.

On the assumption that this forum is to be continued (against the wishes of the forum creator).... what powers do future moderators have to "upholding Peace, Order and Justice in our forum." and how can these moderators ensure that "this forum is not for religious debate or contention. Please refrain from any such postings."???

[/b]

i dunno if you're adding fuel to the fire or what

Originally posted by gigabyte14:

i dunno if you're adding fuel to the fire or what

why? which part?

1. that admin had decided to keep the forum against the wish of the forum creator, or

2. that the reality is: a moderator is a rather toothless role? and because of this, there is very little a moderator can do if people choose to come in to whack?

the crux of the matter is: what is the purpose of Eternal Hope?

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

why? which part?

1. that admin had decided to keep the forum against the wish of the forum creator, or

2. that the reality is: a moderator is a rather toothless role? and because of this, there is very little a moderator can do if people choose to come in to whack?

the crux of the matter is: what is the purpose of Eternal Hope?

on question 1.... perhaps... its not so bad if someone else can take over the running of the forum... of course, this would then be a decision to either abort or put it up for adoption...

on question 2... this would be the same for all forum everywhere, be it here is sgforum as a whole (including its various subforum) or anyother forum else where.

Originally posted by vince69:

on question 1.... perhaps... its not so bad if someone else can take over the running of the forum... of course, this would then be a decision to either abort or put it up for adoption...

on question 2... this would be the same for all forum everywhere, be it here is sgforum as a whole (including its various subforum) or anyother forum else where.

at the end of the day, there is no way to prevent a Christian forum becoming contentious.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

It should be noted that sillyme had requested for this forum to be totally removed.

Originally posted by sillyme:

Let me clarify.

Technically it is not possible to transfer the ownership fully. Believe me not, I have PM-ed Jason about this a long while back.

Now it is technically possible and it has become a public forum. Anything wrong?

it depends on what you deem as wrong.

administrative - nothing's wrong....

ideologically - it is not correct.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

On the assumption that this forum is to be continued (against the wishes of the forum creator).... what powers do future moderators have to "upholding Peace, Order and Justice in our forum." and how can these moderators ensure that "this forum is not for religious debate or contention. Please refrain from any such postings."???

the reality is: my points in red, above, cannot be prevented.

however, if anyone has a plan, I'd like to hear it.

Hello eagle and all.

I admit that my information about transferring the forum fully was outdated. The information I had was what I got a few years back when I PMed Jason or FI. I was told that nothing could be done then.

Following my announcement to close EH, Jason PMed me informing me that it is possible to transfer the forum to someone else or make it a public forum.

I asked a few questions regarding what can be done to EH. After some consideration, I had requested that EH be deleted entirely. Subsequently, there were no more replies. Chin Eng, ben1xy and myself were removed as moderator without notification.

Other than my decision leave EH because of my current priorities. I think it is best to close EH because sustaining a Christian forum in sgForums is not feasible. It is my opinion that my interests, and I believe the interest of Chin Eng and ben1xy's too, are not in agreement with the Admininitrator of this sgForums.

Originally posted by sillyme:

Other than my decision leave EH because of my current priorities. I think it is best to close EH because sustaining a Christian forum in sgForums is not feasible. It is my opinion that my interests, and I believe the interest of Chin Eng and ben1xy's too, are not in agreement with the Admininitrator of this sgForums.

x 2.

Ideologically speaking, as well as ethically speaking. If the owner/founder of a forum wants a forum deleted, it should be done.

I am quite disappointed with Jason's decision to maintain this forum regardless of what sillyme had wanted.

Not for religious debate? hahahahahahahahaha... every time I start something remotely of a religious nature... I get directed to ~EH~

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

x 2.

Ideologically speaking, as well as ethically speaking. If the owner/founder of a forum wants a forum deleted, it should be done.

I am quite disappointed with Jason's decision to maintain this forum regardless of what sillyme had wanted.

den let me ask

delete for what?

won't solve anything also

i agree wif sillyme... Jason, u r doing more wrong than right for not respecting sillyme's decision. if he want tis place to close completely, let it be!

it's against the culture if this forum landed in wrong hand. i believe the oldies n regulars here will feel disguise if they see this place has totally change.

if matter becomes worse, sillyme can even sue u for copyright for using the name of Eternal Hope.

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

Not for religious debate? hahahahahahahahaha... every time I start something remotely of a religious nature... I get directed to ~EH~

you probably got directed by FI, who probably don't want chit chat to go up in flames.

Originally posted by gigabyte14:

den let me ask

delete for what?

won't solve anything also

consider the point of a clean closure for the original owner of the forum.

the issue is not whether you or I agree to the closure. the issue is that the original starter of the forum wants it close.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

x 2.

Ideologically speaking, as well as ethically speaking. If the owner/founder of a forum wants a forum deleted, it should be done.

I am quite disappointed with Jason's decision to maintain this forum regardless of what sillyme had wanted.

1) Are you the true owner of the forum?

2) Even if this forum is deleted, another Christian forum will pop up. Hence, the reason that such a forum cannot be sustained does not hold.

3) The main reason to forgo the moderation is because of current priorities. What's wrong with letting others moderate?

Originally posted by eagle:

1) Are you the true owner of the forum?

No, but i was writing on behalf of sillyme. if you read his posts, his wishes are very clear.

Originally posted by eagle:

2) Even if this forum is deleted, another Christian forum will pop up. Hence, the reason that such a forum cannot be sustained does not hold.

the fact that such a forum is not sustainable for the purpose for which is intended vs whether another Christian forum will pop up or not is not connected. many other "Christian" forums have come and gone....

and yes, if EH goes away, surely there will be another one coming up. the issue is NOT about WHAT COMES UP, but about what the forum owner wants.

Originally posted by eagle:

3) The main reason to forgo the moderation is because of current priorities. What's wrong with letting others moderate?

would you let someone take over your work? probably you may allow that to happen.
in this case the owner of this forum does not wish to do so, that's his prerogative. you and I need not AGREE TO IT.

Originally posted by eagle:

1) Are you the true owner of the forum?

2) Even if this forum is deleted, another Christian forum will pop up. Hence, the reason that such a forum cannot be sustained does not hold.

3) The main reason to forgo the moderation is because of current priorities. What's wrong with letting others moderate?

yes, another person can open up a new forum. but pls refrain of using this name.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

No, but i was writing on behalf of sillyme. if you read his posts, his wishes are very clear.

The question is, is he too the true owner of the forum? Think further.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

the fact that such a forum is not sustainable for the purpose for which is intended vs whether another Christian forum will pop up or not is not connected. many other "Christian" forums have come and gone....

and yes, if EH goes away, surely there will be another one coming up. the issue is NOT about WHAT COMES UP, but about what the forum owner wants.

Back to the same question: Is sillyme even considered the true owner of the forum?

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

would you let someone take over your work? probably you may allow that to happen.
in this case the owner of this forum does not wish to do so, that's his prerogative. you and I need not AGREE TO IT.

Again, does it truly belong to him in the first place?
If everyone in this world do not allow their previous work to be shared by others, do you think we can reach the state that we are at now? This argument from you just shows plain selfishness as well as ignorance. If it was my own forum (which I have), I wouldn't mind if others took over because my main aim was to share knowledge and know liked minded people, and especially since if I were like sillyme to want to wash my hands off totally.

Originally posted by 798:

yes, another person can open up a new forum. but pls refrain of using this name.

The name can always be changed. You can always ask Jason to do that if it is a big concern.

in the first place, may I ask why you are so concern with EH???

what then is "true owner"? how about the person who started the forum....

it's your prerogative as to what you want to do to your own forum.

all we can do for another person is to respect this person's decision.
can you not even do that?

Its prolly some miscommunication, not about who has true ownership or who has the perogative

Originally posted by laurence82:

Its prolly some miscommunication, not about who has true ownership or who has the perogative

personally, i think it's about how admin has handled the situation.

obviously admin has the right to do whatever he wants to do. nonetheless, human decency would have allowed admin to go with what the forum starter wanted.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

in the first place, may I ask why you are so concern with EH???

what then is "true owner"? how about the person who started the forum....

it's your prerogative as to what you want to do to your own forum.

all we can do for another person is to respect this person's decision.
can you not even do that?

1)If you are washing your hands off the forum, why are you too concern about it? Isn't it obvious that plain selfishness is dominating your reasons now?

2) If sillyme is the one who bought the webspace and host the forum, then he is the true owner. Else, he's just using the forum space of Jason.

3) Seriously, this forum can be closed, and the threads moved to a new forum for Christians started by Jason. Won't that give the same result as now? Yet it will fulfill your decision... But is that necessary?

Doing all these is tantamount to someone who rather burn away $50 dollar notes than donate it those who need it more.