Why vugularity in SAF replied by Missus @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:25:42 +0800

Missus — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:25:42 +0800

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

Discussing views about NS with a Malaysian is a waste of time and certainly not good for the blood pressure.This is the Singapore Armed Forces forum so please take a hike to somewhere comfortable.

Well-said! This is a Singapore forum, registered on Singapore soil, you are even probably in SG working here cos of the impossibly low salaries back home, I won't speak for all Singaporeans but I believe most agree with me. From a Singaporean lady who married another Singaporean, I'd like to tell you get lost man! I (we) don't welcome you.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by Missus @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:18:54 +0800

Missus — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:18:54 +0800

I think rooki should go home since she hates SG and its men so much. I won't speak for all Singaporeans but as a Singaporean speaking to a M'sian who clearly bottles up immense amount hate, anger, bitterness and jealousy against Singapore and Singaporeans, please take a hike and get lost? Go home! I (we) don't welcome you.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by cookiecookie @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:47:57 +0800

cookiecookie — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:47:57 +0800

More gems Everyone and fat Sow! LOL!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3029468.stm

The number of police officers in Malaysia is to be boosted by almost a third in response to public concerns about crime.

The drive to recruit an additional 23,000 officers follows the rape and murder of a young woman abducted while at a family celebration in a wealthy district of the capital, Kuala Lumpur.

Malaysian police are not well paid

Canny Ong's killing prompted an outcry from a Malaysian public worried after a string of murders and gang rapes.

The 28-year-old was due to return to the United States with her American husband and was sharing a farewell dinner with her family.

She left the table to retrieve a ticket from her car and never returned.

Ong and the man who had abducted her were apparently stopped twice by police, who failed to notice anything was wrong.

Her charred body was found four days later.

Corruption problem

Malaysian deputy Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi's plan to recruit extra officers over the next five years will add to the 80,000 already on the beat.

He said the government's long term aim was to increase police numbers tenfold in line with levels in developed nations.

However, getting so many volunteers will be a challenge in itself.

Police pay is low by local standards and Abdullah Badawi concedes that corruption in the ranks is a problem.

But the deputy prime minister, who is due to take over the top job in October, is signalling that fighting crime and corruption will among his priorities.

The once ubiquitous pirate video sellers have all but disappeared from the streets since Abdullah Badawi instigated a major police operation against the criminals last month.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/my-malaysia/cri-crime

MALAYSIAN CRIME STATS: Top Stats All Stats

View this page with: Just Stats Sources Definitions Both

Burglaries 32,913
[21st of 54]  Car thefts 55,879
[13th of 55]  Drug offences 48.6 per 100,000 people
[19th of 34] Illicit drugs
drug trafficking prosecuted vigorously and carries severe penalties; heroin still primary drug of abuse, but synthetic drug demand remains strong; continued ecstasy and methamphetamine producer for domestic users and, to a lesser extent, the regional drug market  Murders 551
[24th of 62]  Prisoners 39,258 prisoners
[33rd of 164]  Rapes 1,210
[26th of 65]  Rapes (per capita) 0.0505156 per 1,000 people
[38th of 65]  Total crimes 167,173
[32nd of 60]  Total crimes (per capita) 6.97921 per 1,000 people
[50th of 60]

SOURCES: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention); UNODC; CIA World Factbook, 14 June, 2007 ; International Centre for Prison Studies - World Prison Brief

http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/19/int14.htm

Malaysia’s rising crime graph

KUALA LUMPUR: With an eye to early elections, Malaysia is beating the drum about its healthy economy, but surging crime levels offer a stark reminder that the government has yet to deliver on key law-and-order promises. Malaysia expects to host more than 20 million tourists this year as it marks its 50th anniversary of independence, but burglaries, shootouts in shopping malls and motorcycle-borne bag snatchers are just some of the hazards visitors could face. (yikes!)

In recent months, public attention has been riveted by the murder of a Mongolian model whose body was feared to have been blown to bits and the theft of a cargo of $13 million worth of computer chips in northern Penang.

Police figures show that crime in Malaysia rose 14 per cent last year to 225,836 incidents against 198,017 in 2005, and the proportion of serious crimes, such as murder, rape and armed robbery, grew 26 per cent.

Though the government paints a rosy picture of the economy, crime is being fuelled by a volatile mix of factors that includes a huge migrant labour force, the rising cost of living and a vast gulf of deprivation between rich and poor, one analyst said.

“Having a more effective police force would help,” said political analyst and activist Chandra Muzaffar, adding that crucial reform steps suggested in 2005 by a sweeping inquiry into Malaysia’s police force had yet to be carried out. “That is a pity and it shows a lack of political will and an inability to exercise one’s authority,” he said.

Opposition politicians say the government has not fulfilled promises to rein in crime and cast doubt on police data, saying they do not reflect the true problem because people lack confidence in the force, and leave many crimes unreported.—Reuters

http://www.harbx.com/archives/2007/01/crime_in_malays.html (from M'sia national newspaper, New Straits Times)

Crime in Malaysia up 15%

From the NST today.

"Every state, except Kedah, recorded an increase in crime last year. The number of serious crimes has also gone up."

This is indeed worrying. Especially after reading this other article about this old couple who was murdered in a burglary. The kinds of animals we have in the country that is willing to do anything is sickening.

NILAI: The figures are worrying — crime is up more than 15 per cent nationwide.

Every state, except Kedah, recorded an increase in crime last year. The number of serious crimes has also gone up.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by cookiecookie @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:25:47 +0800

cookiecookie — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:25:47 +0800

This is not for you Edwin, it's to display the brutal truth to the Msian fatty who wishes she had some by the rapists at home, reports that make her blood boil. The truth hurts and she can't handle it!!!

And i love to show it cos I know every word, every punctuation, every inspector and politician's quote, every international journalist byline makes her smelly blood boil!!! Every single letter, every single sentence, every ounce of truth sears her soul.

If you believe the deluded fat M'sian cow that it's not crime-plagued, sure.. check out these M'sian reports by one of their politicians, Lim Kit Siang. Cops there are so 'good' at doing their jobs, so 'above board' and so 'capable' that they have a campaign entitled "GOOD COPS SAFE MALAYSIA"!

i see.. indeed.. M'sia's crime rates are indeed just like Singapore's. That such campaigns with such fantastically hilarious names could exist!!! if you can fathom a relatively crime free place with a campaign name as above, I think you're stupid enough to join her league and perhaps you should be her first suitor.

Parliament Member in M'sia, Lim Kit Siang has a blog, which he regularly writes about his views and plans for the country, and chief of the issues he wants to tackle is the rampant crime rate. When Abdullah first took on the PM job, one of his main promises was to combat the heinous crime wave of M'sia. When that is a PM's core promises and agenda upon succession, do you think the crime situation is anything like what deluded cow says?! She even has the fat cheek to deny to all of us that we have been fed "local propaganda" so as to save her (pig)skin, yet all the news reports were from INTERNATIONAL news agencies.

Your request for facts and figures has dutifully been given, and you did not bother to read the international news links, that much I know from your weak response of "population".

Do you think M'sia's (24 mil) population is anything like Indonesia (234 mil) or Thailand (64 mil)'s? Go freaking do your own research online on those countries' crime situation and M'sia's and stop bothering us with your politically correct BS. A M'sian himself (a human rights activist and lawyer) in the M'sian news report says that M'sia is becoming the CRIME CAPITAL of ASIA. Another M'sian mother in the M'sian news report says the crime rate is at its worst since its independence 50 years ago! Do you realise how deluded and silly you sound now when you came up with the weak shit of a "depends on the population" whimper?

Please read and not talk nonsense before reading to act the hero retard. Everyone in this thread besides the deluded fat M'sian cow unanimously agrees so your 'noble' desire to act just and reserved stinks and frankly, makes you look a tad stupid.

The parts in bold and scarlet red are meant to raise the blood pressure of the deluded.

http://www.limkitsiang.com/archive/2008/jan08/lks4708.htm

Abdullah’s worry about unchecked rising crime index and multi-prong anti-crime strategy should not be just election gimmicks to give Malaysians a false sense of security

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Media Conference
by Lim Kit Siang
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(Ipoh, Thursday): The Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s expression of “worry” about the rising crime index and his announcement of a multi-prong strategy to combat crime lack seriousness and conviction, as they appear to be just election gimmicks to give Malaysians a false sense of security that something is being done to fight crime with the approach of the general election.

New Straits Times front-page headline yesterday, “CRIME RATE UP 13.4% - PM expresses alarm Announces remedial action” understates the gravity of the crime situation in Malaysia during the four-year Abdullah premiership.

The crime rate rose by 13.4 per cent last year but in the four years of Abdullah premiership, crime rate shot up by an even more alarming 45%.

When Abdullah became Prime Minister in October 2003, the crime situation was already out of control which was why one of his first reform promises and measures which won him all-round plaudits and support among Malaysians was the establishment of the Royal Police Commission to reduce crime to restore to Malaysians their twin fundamental rights to be free from crime and the fear of crime, whether in the streets, public places or the privacy of their homes.

After four years, Malaysia today is even more unsafe to its citizens, visitors, tourists or investors because of endemic crime.

In the past four years, the crime index had worsened from 156,315 cases in 2003 to 224,298 cases in 2007 – a sharp rise of some 45% when it should have gone down as recommended by the Royal Police Commission. For the first time in the nation’s 50-year history, the crime index last year crashed through the 200,000 psychological barrier. Women in Malaysia are now more unsafe today than four years ago – as the incidence of rape had more than doubled from a daily average of four women in 2003 to 8.5 women last year!

Is the five-prong anti-crime strategy announced by Abdullah adequate to make Malaysia a safer country than just four years ago before he became Prime Minister?

One of the five anti-crime strategies is to appoint civilians to administrative positions and thereby release police personnel for their main duties.

This is actually Recommendation No. 78 of the 125 recommendations of the Royal Police Commission to create an efficient, accountable, incorruptible, professional world-class police service to keep crime low, eradicate corruption and uphold human rights.

The Royal Police Commission proposed “Civilianising or outsourcing functions presently performed by uniformed personnel in PDRM, and re-deploying the uniformed personnel to core policing functions”. It said that such a move would immediately release 35,000 uniformed police personnel for core policing functions, i.e. fighting crime and catching criminals!

The Royal Police Commission provided a time-line for the implementation of this proposal – “In phases. Completion by May 2007”

This is January 2008 and the Prime Minister is still talking about this proposal of “appointing civilians to administrative positions to release police personnel” for their core police duties to fight crime and catch criminals! What a shame and disappointment!

DAP has decided make crime, law and order the top national theme in the next general election – which will be a first in the nation’s 50-year electoral history.

Today, we are here to launch in Perak state the DAP’s “Good Cops, Safe Malaysia” campaign theme for the next general election, starting with the visit to the Kampong Simee market just now.

Together with other DAP Perak state leaders, I will take part in a two-day whistle-stop campaign to take the DAP message of “Good Cops, Safe Malaysia” to all Malaysians as it is the basic right and expectation of all Malaysians, regardless of race, religion or political beliefs to enjoy personal safety and property security. Among the places I will visit in the weekend two-day whistle-stop campaign in Perak will be Ipoh, Teluk Intan, Taiping, Sungei Siput, Pantai Remis, Kampar and Bidor.

http://english.limkitsiang.com/

Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan made a shocking confession when he spoke on “Crime and Changing Social Values in the Malaysian Society” during a seminar at the Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka (DBP) in Kuala Lumpur yesterday that the Police is afflicted by the close-one-eye syndrome.

Musa lamented that in the war against crime, the police are at times frustrated by some politicians who want the police to keep one eye open and one eye closed . (Sin Chew)

This is most shocking. Musa should not be lamenting about the close-one-eye syndrome in the police frustrating the campaign against crime. He should have declared as the Inspector-General of Police that he would no more tolerate such â close-one-eye syndrome, whether caused by interfering politicians, corruption or rogue policemen.

Musa should have gone one step further publicly name the police officials and the interfering politicians who had acted against the public interest in their close-one-eyeconspiracy to frustrate the forces of law and order.

Both parties in the close-one-eyesyndrome, whether the police or the interfering politicians, are breaking the law and committing serious offences in frustrating the police war against crime.

Musaâ€™s lament proved that the Royal Police Commission entrusted with the task of making proposals to create an efficient, incorruptible, professional and world-class police service had been both a waste of time and public resources as well as a great letdown of public expectations that some 21 months after the Royal Commission Report, public confidence have reached a new crisis point.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40833 (International news agency HQ in Rome)

POLITICS-MALAYSIA: Rampant Crime Turns Main Election Issue
By Baradan Kuppusamy

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 18 (IPS) - As election fever grips the country, with polls widely expected mid-March, the country's seemingly unstoppable escalation in violent crime is turning into the main plank of the opposition's campaign.

Opposition parties have now launched a nationwide ‘Good Cops, Safe Malaysia’ campaign distributing leaflets, organising forums and holding ‘meet-the-people’ sessions to persuade voters to show their displeasure at the upcoming polls.

Several recent public opinion polls also indicate that crime has turned the voter's number one concern, followed by rising food and fuel prices.

For most Malaysians the country's racial and religious differences, that usually hog the domestic and international headlines, is not as worrying an issue as was previously thought.

"I am more worried about the safety of my children than ethnic strife," said accounts executive Melissa Chong, who works for a local bank.

"The crime rate has jumped 45 percent since Abdullah (Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi) took over in 2003," she told IPS when met at an opposition organised forum on safe living in the capital.

"The statistics show nine girls and women are raped every day," she said. "This is the scariest situation ever since independence 50 years ago." (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Across the country ordinary citizens are forming voluntary neighborhood patrols called ‘Rukun Tetangga’ while others are cordoning off their areas with barbed wire and hiring private guards and guard dogs to keep safe.

The government, aware of the emotive impact of crime that affects all Malaysians irrespective of race or religion announced a raft of new measures this week aimed at bring down the escalating crime graph.

But opposition lawmakers say the measures are lukewarm and politically motivated in anticipation of the early general election.

"In 50 years of electoral politics this is the first time the opposition is putting crime as the top issue during an upcoming election," said parliamentary opposition leader Lim Kit Siang. "Discrimination, race, poverty and religion are all issues that have been in society for a long time but uncontrolled crime is now the top issue," he told IPS.

"Abdullah has failed miserably to curb crime which has almost doubled during his term as prime minister," Lim said adding that Badawi also holds the key finance and interior portfolios.

"Heavy responsibilities have overwhelmed him. He should give up the home ministry and appoint a dedicated crime fighter to curb rising crime," Lim said.

According to Lim the key reason why crime is rising is because of police corruption, inefficiency and unaccountability. "All these are part of the rampant crime problem which has become a top political issue," Lim said adding police have lost the ground to criminals.

Officials said the government is worried because crime has become an emotive issue and one that affects all races.

In an event widely reported by the country's mainstream newspapers, Badawi visited police headquarters, held discussions with police top brass and announced that he has taking personal charge of combating crime.

He also announced new measures like hiring more policemen, freeing others from office duties to patrol the streets, buying better equipment, and closed circuit TV surveillance cameras and rehiring retired police personnel.

But he has not offered any solution to combat corruption in the force and the lack of skills to fight crime -- two setbacks experts say is fueling the escalation in violent crime.

Under Badawi’s premiership the crime index worsened from 156,315 cases in 2003 to 224,298 cases in 2007 -- a rise of 45 percent over the past four years. It rose 13.4 percent in 2007 alone.

As if to mock Badawi’s measures, a five-year-old girl was abducted last week by an infamous serial killer and sexual predator. His fifth victim was abducted in the same depressed Kampung Medan area of the capital as the fourth one, sparking a massive public outcry.

Despite mobilisation of the national police force and technical help from the intelligence agencies, the killer is loose heightening the fear felt in many households that rampant crime has become unstoppable.

"The strategies announced are too little, too late and lack seriousness. The political will to bite the bullet is missing," said human rights lawyer Ramu Kandasamy. "When Mr Abdullah became Prime Minister in 2003 he pledged to curb crime but instead crime jumped 45 percent during his tenure," Kandasamy told IPS.

"This is a country with a modern economy and first world infrastructure and first world ambitions. It is sad but we will soon become the crime capital of Asia,’’ Kandasamy added.

Many experts say a key reason for the crisis is Badawi’s failure to set up an independent police misconduct commission, and follow a key recommendation made by a royal commission in 2005 to overhaul the police force.

In December, Badawi offered a heavily watered-down version of a independent oversight commission which was heavily criticised because senior police personnel would be running it.

"The key issue is who polices the police… surely not the police themselves," said opposition lawmaker Murugesan Kulasegaran. "It has got to be done by independent, non-police persons of high caliber and integrity."

"More policemen and more CCTVs are not going to automatically bring down the crime rates," he said. "These measures are aimed at the symptoms; it will not cure the infection."

"Police have lost the streets," Kulasegaran said. "They have to get it back by being better cops -- fast, efficient, skillful and free of corruption."

http://justice4allkuantan.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/2007-crime-index-crashed-through-200000-barrier-biggest-failure-of-4-year-abdullah-premiership/ (Written by a M'sian)

2007 crime index crashed through 200,000 barrier - biggest failure of 4-year Abdullah premiership

Posted on January 9, 2008 by jfakuantan

January 9th, 2008 The Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s five-prong strategy announced yesterday to combat the rising crime index is not impressive at all – too little, too late and too indifferent in lacking seriousness and commitment by Abdullah to make Malaysia safe again for its citizens, visitors, tourists and investors.

Under Abdullah’s premiership, crime has reached endemic dimension with Malaysia gaining an international notoriety as a country unsafe for her citizens, visitors, tourists and investors.

When he became Prime Minister on Oct. 31, 2003, Abdullah pledged that one of his top priorities would be to reduce crime to restore to Malaysians their fundamental right to be free from crime and the fear of crime, whether in the streets, public places or the privacy of their homes.

Today, Malaysians feel even more unsafe from crime than when he became Prime Minister.

Abdullah had raised great hopes about his commitment to create an efficient, incorruptible, professional and world-class police service to declare an all-out war against crime when he set up the Royal Police Commission which came out with 125 recommendations, the most important of which was the proposal for an Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC).

All such high hopes of Malaysians for a world-class professional police service to keep crime index low to make the country safe for the people, visitors and foreign investors have been dashed to the ground in the past four years.

All these high hopes have come to nought. The proposal of an effective IPCMC has been killed, replaced with a clawless and toothless Special Complaints Commission proposal.

Under Abdullah’s premiership, the police fought a losing war against the rising crime index, which had worsened from 156,315 cases in 2003 to 224,298 cases in 2007 – a sharp rise of some 45% in the past four years.

The crime index crashed through the 200,000 barrier for the first time in nation’s history with rape more than doubled from a daily average of four women in 2003 to 8.5 women last year.
This means that under Abdullah as Prime Minister, women are even more unsafe from the crime of rape, with the risk of rape more than doubled than when Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad handed power over to him four years ago.

Abdullah’s multi-pronged anti-crime strategy announced yesterday has fallen like a damp squid as nobody believes that it will have any effect to make Malaysia at least as safe for personal safety and property security when he became Prime Minister four years ago.

When will Abdullah wake up to realize and admit that crime in Malaysia has become endemic under his premiership, and that the prevalent feeling of citizens, visitors, tourists and investors that they have lost the sense of personal safety and property security is one of the greatest failures of his premiership?

Why vugularity in SAF replied by edwin3060 @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:44:28 +0800

edwin3060 — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:44:28 +0800

Originally posted by cookiecookie:

How about news reports by international and Malaysian (not Singapore) news agencies, newspapers and Malaysian blogs and forums?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FG02Ae02.html <--- Asia Times

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3029468.stm <-------- BBC

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9aef4088-c9d2-11dc-b5dc-000077b07658.html <---- Financial Times

http://asme.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/crime-rate-in-malaysia/ <------- Written and reported by a M'sian Hahahahahha

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40833 <------- IPS news agency, HQ-ed in Rome

http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/19/int14.htm <--------Pakistan's most widely circulated English language newspaper

http://www.harbx.com/archives/2007/01/crime_in_malays.html <--------- Malaysian Blog hahahahahhahahahahhah!!

http://malaysiacrimewatch.lokety.com/forum/ <------- crime forum set up by M'sians hahahahhahaha

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1640136,00.html <----- TIME Magazine

To sum the on the current crime rate, I think it is best to describe from last year’s statistics of 588 murder cases and 3,177 rape cases that;

Every day, more than one person was murdered (1.6 per day)

Every day, more than eight women were raped (8.7 per day)

statistics released by the PDRM show that Malaysia had more than 125,000 cases of "hard" crime in 2002 alone. This figure has not declined over the past two years.

The following figures above are quoted from each of the news links above.

Look, none of that is relevant unless you can come up with meaningful numbers, i.e. murders or rapes or robberies relative to population size. If a country has a population of 10 million, and 10 murders a year, versus a country of population 100 million, with 50 murders a year, the country with more murders is still safer, even though the absolute number of murders is higher! Do you get what I mean?

Also, to both sides, why the fuck are you all letting this discussion degenerate into a flame war?

Why vugularity in SAF replied by Missus @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:58:50 +0800

Missus — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:58:50 +0800

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

Discussing views about NS with a Malaysian is a waste of time and certainly not good for the blood pressure.This is the Singapore Armed Forces forum so please take a hike to somewhere comfortable.

Yup I agree. Yuppers talkng to a Malaysian is a waste of time, GET LOST since this forum is clearly and in no uncertain terms, titled "Singapore Armed Forces". You need to go home to your developing country and not hang around a forum with a name that features a country isn't yours and that you clearly detest (don't worry, the feeling is so very mutual) :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

www.un.org/esa/earthsummit/malay-cp.htm "aims at transforming Malaysia into a developed country by 2020:"

The difference is, you're the one hanging around here, while we don't deign to hang around the forums of your country or even bother with it.

SG men can't hold a candle to foreign men?! Hahahah Malaysian hahahhhhahhahhhahahhahaha

Why vugularity in SAF replied by cookiecookie @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:48:23 +0800

cookiecookie — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:48:23 +0800

Originally posted by edwin3060:

Neither Singapore nor Malaysia is crime free, and Malaysia, having a higher population, would definitely have a greater number of crimes, all things being equal. Having no idea what the crime rate relative to the population is, I say both sides give this a rest, unless they have hard numbers to quote.

How about news reports by international and Malaysian (not Singapore) news agencies, newspapers and Malaysian blogs and forums?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FG02Ae02.html <--- Asia Times

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3029468.stm <-------- BBC

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9aef4088-c9d2-11dc-b5dc-000077b07658.html <---- Financial Times

http://asme.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/crime-rate-in-malaysia/ <------- Written and reported by a M'sian Hahahahahha

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40833 <------- IPS news agency, HQ-ed in Rome

http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/19/int14.htm <--------Pakistan's most widely circulated English language newspaper

http://www.harbx.com/archives/2007/01/crime_in_malays.html <--------- Malaysian Blog hahahahahhahahahahhah!!

http://malaysiacrimewatch.lokety.com/forum/ <------- crime forum set up by M'sians hahahahhahaha

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1640136,00.html <----- TIME Magazine

To sum the on the current crime rate, I think it is best to describe from last year’s statistics of 588 murder cases and 3,177 rape cases that;

Every day, more than one person was murdered (1.6 per day)

Every day, more than eight women were raped (8.7 per day)

statistics released by the PDRM show that Malaysia had more than 125,000 cases of "hard" crime in 2002 alone. This figure has not declined over the past two years.

The following figures above are quoted from each of the news links above.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by cookiecookie @ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:31:36 +0800

cookiecookie — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:31:36 +0800

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

Didnt know that Rooki was a she but pretty sure that she is a Malaysian.Girls in Malaysia get raped practically everywhere....highway,rubber and oil palm plantations,relative's home,kopitiam...etc .Rooki is just frustrated that she couldnt get into these places at the right time.

Oh my god that spewing, ranting moronic bitch who keeps on slamming NS and Singapore is M'sian?? My conjecture was right! Hahah!! Viet wife?! Hahahaa!!! My wife isn't Vietnamese but most blessedly, she isn't MALAYSIAN!! Sorry fat ass, my wife is very Singaporean, and i wouldn't have it any other way! Short ninja, you're so right. This M'sian sow is frustrated she didn't place herself in the fateful M'sian gang rape crime scenes, and is in Singapore selling her soul working her ass off here cos our country pays her double the wages of her hometown, she dreams and wishes that Singapore has many rapes as M'sia so perhaps she could finally get some.

And isn't that fat broad deluded or what? Missus pasted all the links from international news agencies that expose what a dangerous place M'sia is but it seems the deluded ranting nutcase prefers to take the easy way out by deceiving herself. poor sow, when faced with overwhelming evidence that her country is the shelter of illegal immigrants and psychotic parang wielding murderers who rob and rape women at the rate of once a day, that even their own politician lim jit siang uses the crime waves of M'sia as his political strategems, she resorts to channeling her sexual frustration & getting rejected by Singapore men routinely for being fat and ugly by ranting against Singapore men on the net Hahaha!

Hahahahahhaha!!!!! Dumb m'sian broad who can't understand simple english and prefers to delude herself about Singapore being better off as one of the many "charmingly old-world" and crime-infested M'sian states that she gotta come online to rant and rave. Hahahah I feel sorry for her actually!!!!!

Why vugularity in SAF replied by Short Ninja @ Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:16:46 +0800

Short Ninja — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:16:46 +0800

Originally posted by tarutaru:

Lol, btw Malaysia's NS is not really NS is more of the racial get together thing. Vulgarity is common in NS and I don't see it as a big problem.

Yah,it was formerly known as RT ....Rukun Tetangga >

Why vugularity in SAF replied by Short Ninja @ Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:08:27 +0800

Short Ninja — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:08:27 +0800

Originally posted by dumbdumb!:

rooki's malaysian? then why's she critisizing how we do things? her country's NS isn't any better. i heard girls got raped there right?

Didnt know that Rooki was a she but pretty sure that she is a Malaysian.Girls in Malaysia get raped practically everywhere....highway,rubber and oil palm plantations,relative's home,kopitiam...etc .Rooki is just frustrated that she couldnt get into these places at the right time.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by edwin3060 @ Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:14:10 +0800

edwin3060 — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:14:10 +0800

Originally posted by rooki:

Wow...just wow.

The only reason I brought up bumi was that many Singaporeans seem to have a genetic aversion to it. It will never stay in place for long, and so it can be discounted as a factor against unification. Without bumi, unification is much more palatable.

God, take off all your freaking blinders already. 'Malaysia high in crime?' Get real. Go live in Malaysia and stop swallowing propaganda/biased reports. The Singapore government are just loving you all for your ignorance and manipulativity. And it's not like Singapore is entirely crime free.

Dumbdumb, please tell me English is a foreign language to you, if you think 'ilk' is a profanity.

Allright. You say Pakistan and North Korea can withstand world pressure to disarm because of their powerful military. Does Singapore aspire to be like them? If so, well...I really have nothing more to say to you. A powerful military is a flagrant waste of resources, as the starving NKeans have shown. What, you think all aid is channeled to Kim's Neverland?

Why the hell can't countries accede to each other peacefully? Why must they act like complete buffoons parading their military tin toys in front of each other, as if they're in some kind of playground arguing over who's having the biggest stick?

Good that you're happily married to your viet wife cookie. I understand many men fail to get local brides and resort to arranged marriages as a last resort. But please try not to be so insecure next time, ok? Repeating the phrase that foreigners are good for you like a broken record just seems like you're trying to delude yourself. Face it, Singaporean men cannot even hold a candle to the worst of foreign men. You can change this, however, by not swallowing everything the almighty government tells you to, including the lie that NS is 'good'.

Categorically;

1) Singaporeans have an aversion to the bumiputera policy because we are living proof that it doesn't work. Some smart Malaysians realise that as well, and come over to Singapore. Being smart, they actually run and have run some of our biggest companies like SIA. They would never have had such a chance if they stayed in Malaysia.

2) Neither Singapore nor Malaysia is crime free, and Malaysia, having a higher population, would definitely have a greater number of crimes, all things being equal. Having no idea what the crime rate relative to the population is, I say both sides give this a rest, unless they have hard numbers to quote.

3) The point dumbdumb was making (and I have been making since the start of this thread) is that words by themselves do not hurt. It is the context in which they are used that hurt people. Thus, vulgarities in and of themselves are not degrading--I have shown that they can bond people. Your little flamewar with cookiecookie, even though it doesn't contain any vulgarity on your part, was still insulting.

4) Again, you miss the point. which is that the political leaders of those nations are able to achieve their political goals because of the military. Regardless of the political system or the morality of the goal, you have to admit that the military is the ultimate guarantor of their political power. Looking at it on the flip side, we enjoy Pax Americana today because of the military power of the USA--this peace has allowed both Malaysia and Singapore to thrive and prosper.

5) As I said, read your history. Or your biology. It is so improbable as to be impossible that all sides will lay down their arms. Simple logic will tell you that a situation where everybody does not have weapons is highly unstable; in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. So it is with weapons as well. And your description of toys on the playground is a vast oversimplification. Your arguments here have shown that you are not stupid, so go do some reading!

6) Again, a personal attack and oversimplification that is beneath ALL OF US. This is a very interesting discussion that has transcended the original topic. Let's keep it civil. Also, if you feel that the best that Singapore can offer is worse than the worst that the rest of the world offers, you either have to travel around Singapore or the world more. :)

To keep it on topic, Short Ninja makes a good point about the difference between combat and other vocations in the army, and the applicability of vulgarity in each instance. And so it is with all situations. The use of vulgarity, like the use of humour, is situational. Using it when the time is right can greatly enhance the effect of your message. Unless someone can justify that the use of vulgarity is never justified, I would say you have lost the argument.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by tarutaru @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:31:59 +0800

tarutaru — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:31:59 +0800

Originally posted by dumbdumb!:

rooki's malaysian? then why's she critisizing how we do things? her country's NS isn't any better. i heard girls got raped there right?

Lol, btw Malaysia's NS is not really NS is more of the racial get together thing. Vulgarity is common in NS and I don't see it as a big problem.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by dumbdumb! @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:50:42 +0800

dumbdumb! — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:50:42 +0800

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

Discussing views about NS with a Malaysian is a waste of time and certainly not good for the blood pressure.This is the Singapore Armed Forces forum so please take a hike to somewhere comfortable.

rooki's malaysian? then why's she critisizing how we do things? her country's NS isn't any better. i heard girls got raped there right?

Why vugularity in SAF replied by Short Ninja @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:04:40 +0800

Short Ninja — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:04:40 +0800

Discussing views about NS with a Malaysian is a waste of time and certainly not good for the blood pressure.This is the Singapore Armed Forces forum so please take a hike to somewhere comfortable.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by dumbdumb! @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:36:25 +0800

dumbdumb! — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:36:25 +0800

Originally posted by rooki:

Wow...just wow.

The only reason I brought up bumi was that many Singaporeans seem to have a genetic aversion to it. It will never stay in place for long, and so it can be discounted as a factor against unification. Without bumi, unification is much more palatable.

God, take off all your freaking blinders already. 'Malaysia high in crime?' Get real. Go live in Malaysia and stop swallowing propaganda/biased reports. The Singapore government are just loving you all for your ignorance and manipulativity. And it's not like Singapore is entirely crime free.

Dumbdumb, please tell me English is a foreign language to you, if you think 'ilk' is a profanity.

Allright. You say Pakistan and North Korea can withstand world pressure to disarm because of their powerful military. Does Singapore aspire to be like them? If so, well...I really have nothing more to say to you. A powerful military is a flagrant waste of resources, as the starving NKeans have shown. What, you think all aid is channeled to Kim's Neverland?

Why the hell can't countries accede to each other peacefully? Why must they act like complete buffoons parading their military tin toys in front of each other, as if they're in some kind of playground arguing over who's having the biggest stick?

Good that you're happily married to your viet wife cookie. I understand many men fail to get local brides and resort to arranged marriages as a last resort. But please try not to be so insecure next time, ok? Repeating the phrase that foreigners are good for you like a broken record just seems like you're trying to delude yourself. Face it, Singaporean men cannot even hold a candle to the worst of foreign men. You can change this, however, by not swallowing everything the almighty government tells you to, including the lie that NS is 'good'.

i'm not talking about the language used. but rather the intention of using a particular word.

words like "fucker" is from the english word too, but like you said, its a degrading term thus not respecting the party whom you intended the word on. i think the more important point is what you intend to use with the word, and not the word itself, as pointed out by some sgforumer

"chee bye" is a word from the hokkien language. is the hokkien language of lesser class than english? not to me. its just another language, who's to say that english is of higher class than hokkien. a polite gentleman who speaks in hokkien is of higher class than a crude drunk who is sprewing english profanity.

in the end, you're just like the neanderthals you despise. except you use prettier words.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by Short Ninja @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:28:16 +0800

Short Ninja — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:28:16 +0800

Army lingo without vulgarities is like watching cartoon without the sound effects>.As for commanding respect in the SAF,it is usually those Commanders in the combat units who refrain that find it hard control his troops effectively.Where you use your language and how you use it depends on the dynamics the group.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by rooki @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:11:06 +0800

rooki — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:11:06 +0800

Wow...just wow.

The only reason I brought up bumi was that many Singaporeans seem to have a genetic aversion to it. It will never stay in place for long, and so it can be discounted as a factor against unification. Without bumi, unification is much more palatable.

God, take off all your freaking blinders already. 'Malaysia high in crime?' Get real. Go live in Malaysia and stop swallowing propaganda/biased reports. The Singapore government are just loving you all for your ignorance and manipulativity. And it's not like Singapore is entirely crime free.

Dumbdumb, please tell me English is a foreign language to you, if you think 'ilk' is a profanity.

Allright. You say Pakistan and North Korea can withstand world pressure to disarm because of their powerful military. Does Singapore aspire to be like them? If so, well...I really have nothing more to say to you. A powerful military is a flagrant waste of resources, as the starving NKeans have shown. What, you think all aid is channeled to Kim's Neverland?

Why the hell can't countries accede to each other peacefully? Why must they act like complete buffoons parading their military tin toys in front of each other, as if they're in some kind of playground arguing over who's having the biggest stick?

Good that you're happily married to your viet wife cookie. I understand many men fail to get local brides and resort to arranged marriages as a last resort. But please try not to be so insecure next time, ok? Repeating the phrase that foreigners are good for you like a broken record just seems like you're trying to delude yourself. Face it, Singaporean men cannot even hold a candle to the worst of foreign men. You can change this, however, by not swallowing everything the almighty government tells you to, including the lie that NS is 'good'.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by Missus @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:46:48 +0800

Missus — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:46:48 +0800

My husband is in the army and he is an officer and a gentleman. I've not heard him use profanities before, though I am not sure if he uses it at work.

Honestly, the use of profanity has no correlation with the effectiveness of the commander nor indicative of the respect given to his men. An army commander may choose to refrain from profanities yet motivate and lead his men effectively, over and beyond another who does. Also, a commander may not use profanities yet show his men even less respect than another who does. Like rooki here as dumbdumb! rightly pointed out, she claims to fight for values like respect for humanity and assumes a moral ground against military violence, yet she exhibits more crassness and judgmentalism in her views and things she says about other people.

I fully agree with Edwin that respect has to be earned,and one should not assume he should be respected by virture of being human. As we can see, there are lots of detestable humans around, like rooki, so being human is hardly sufficient criteria for respect heehee!

And this rooki person, errr other than her highly questionable intelligence in comprehending simple language after she has the gall to say Singapore guys have "their brains and language faculties wrecked by NS", it's obvious that she doesn't have friends to talk to.

Malaysia's crime plagues are such common talking points among Singapore because we're such close neighbours and so many of the citizens of both countries visit the other. People discuss this all the time here and it's so bad that international reporters from BBC, TIME and FT write about it (not just straits times) and there's even Malaysian crime internet forums and blogs, it's common knowledge....she actually says SG's crime situation is like M'sia and PAP kool-aid...hahaha.. doesn't she have friends to talk to? Guess not. Heehee!!!

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FG02Ae02.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3029468.stm

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9aef4088-c9d2-11dc-b5dc-000077b07658.html

http://asme.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/crime-rate-in-malaysia/

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40833

http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/19/int14.htm

http://www.harbx.com/archives/2007/01/crime_in_malays.html

http://malaysiacrimewatch.lokety.com/forum/

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1640136,00.html

To sum the on the current crime rate, I think it is best to describe from last year’s statistics of 588 murder cases and 3,177 rape cases that;

Every day, more than one person was murdered (1.6 per day)

Every day, more than eight women were raped (8.7 per day)

statistics released by the PDRM show that Malaysia had more than 125,000 cases of "hard" crime in 2002 alone. This figure has not declined over the past two years.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by dumbdumb! @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:47:07 +0800

dumbdumb! — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:47:07 +0800

lol. if she's that dumb, then i think i'll just take your words for it, and retire to bed. i'm bushed

Why vugularity in SAF replied by cookiecookie @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:42:45 +0800

cookiecookie — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:42:45 +0800

Originally posted by dumbdumb!:

i wasn't following the thead carefully. which part didn't rooki understand?

Oh read from page 3 onwards,where she can't follow simple English statements. Can't tell the difference between "combatant's job" and "after a combatant", can't follow simple statements I made that she plainly admitted that the Bumi policy is not feasible. I used the word "admitted" and "bumi policy not feasible" and she still can't get that I said she was referring to the bumi policy as not tenable. How much simpler can plain English be? And I told her Pakistan and North Korea can withstand world pressure to disarm because of their powerful military and she can't understand that either. She stated fighting with the guys from page 2 onwards. You can discount page 1. This dumb broad can't seem to understand simple plain English, think she should get a 100% refund for her stupid liberal local arts degree.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by dumbdumb! @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:26:25 +0800

dumbdumb! — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:26:25 +0800

Originally posted by cookiecookie:

Mental weakness to withstand profanities is one thing. The more alarming thing for any person is extreme stupidity close to retardation- not being able to understand simple plain English three times in a short forum thread, yet having sufficient shamelessness to say guys "have language faculties and brains wrecked by NS". Hahaha!!!

i wasn't following the thead carefully. which part didn't rooki understand?

Why vugularity in SAF replied by cookiecookie @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:22:12 +0800

cookiecookie — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:22:12 +0800

Originally posted by dumbdumb!:

lol. its what makes NS fun!

honestly, i guess it differs from person to person. if you're that easily affected by another man's language, that shows you how insecure or weak you are as a person. how do you survive in the world if you can't even tolerate this minor issue?

Mental weakness to withstand profanities is one thing. The more alarming thing for any person is extreme stupidity close to retardation- not being able to understand simple plain English three times in a short forum thread, yet having sufficient shamelessness to say guys "have language faculties and brains wrecked by NS". Hahaha!!!

Why vugularity in SAF replied by dumbdumb! @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:56:19 +0800

dumbdumb! — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:56:19 +0800

lol. its what makes NS fun!

honestly, i guess it differs from person to person. if you're that easily affected by another man's language, that shows you how insecure or weak you are as a person. how do you survive in the world if you can't even tolerate this minor issue?

my platoon, we used to giggle and laugh when our cwo started swearing at us. "chao chee bye la! you think you all very lao jiao issit? laugh somemore! stand still la! i make you lie down on the parade square and roll from one end to the other end then you know!!"

but i did notice that my standard of english did decline slightly after i orded. took me some time to pick up proper english again. still picking up the pieces. but, on the upside of it, i learned basic malay! which proved entertaining and useful!

and if you're really disagreeable to vulgarities, i think its double standard to start name calling at others. using degrading terms like " neanderthal", or "ilk".

you may not use the word "fuck", but your words have the intention to hurt others, so what's the difference between you and those crude people whom you detest? no difference at all, except that you use prettier words.

as a matter of fact, you're even worse than them. at least they don't dress up in a robe of hypocrisy and act holier than the next man and point fingers at their faults and think that they're better than them.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by cookiecookie @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:27:15 +0800

cookiecookie — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:27:15 +0800

Originally posted by iSpeak:

Hi.

I'll just like to point out a couple of likely scenarios if your average Singaporean male did not serve his National Service.

First example ; Pedra Branca will not be an issue. Why? Because we won't be having our RSN missile corvettes patrolling around that rock and our NDU guys hanging their legs and MP5s out of helicopters overhead to ensure that our right to national sovereignty is not threatened. We can face other foreigners in the eye and know that we are not a country of total wusses.

Secondly, imagine the cost of your PUB bill without the presence of an SAF. Malaysia would play havoc with the water rates. Maybe a ringgit per litre for all you care. Maybe lima puloh sen. Price of an essential good goes up, the rest of the market follows suit. Everything in your life, from buying a bowl of laksa, buying a packet of panadol, having a baby, rises up tremendously. Inflation occurs. Trade deficit tumbles. Economics, baby. Singapore is reduced to a third-world country, where you take a shit in a little hut with no flushing, and an ah pek comes around at 5am daily to dispose of the daily human waste of your kampong. Yeah, kampong. The government probably wouldn't be able to afford to build HDB flats for you. Don't talk about NEWater and desalination plants - we won't be able to afford those, either.

As was mentioned, Gandhi is the exception, not the rule. The Swiss were not invaded during World War 2 by Nazi Germany not because they marched up and down the Alps on hunger strikes, but because they had a dedicated and committed military that could stop German panzers in their tracks coupled with the serious terrain advantages. History has shown that emulating the Swiss model is a more reliable and efficient way of ensuring your survival.

There are very wide political, economic and social implications if we were to dump NS, and if you are not aware of them, then well, I would advise you to do take some time to ponder a little.

Have a nice day.

You've just wasted 5 mins of your life explaining to a fat undesirable things that require an IQ level of at least 100 to understand.

Why vugularity in SAF replied by caleb_chiang @ Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:00:31 +0800

caleb_chiang — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:00:31 +0800

Originally posted by Ferguson:

cock la.

when is vuglarity part of SINGLISH???????????

Hokkien not part of Singlish meh?

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