Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by Man!x @ Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:58:02 +0800

Man!x — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:58:02 +0800

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Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by rey619 @ Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:59:51 +0800

rey619 — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:59:51 +0800

Originally posted by Nikar 3:

signing on during BMT is one of the worst **** decisions you can ever make in your life.

i know of this 3SG guy in my camp last time.....he's very garang, very enthu...to the point he made a rash decision and want to sign on, but luckily some regulars dissuade him. Otherwise.....well....

I can seriously say when you go back to civilian life, and you think back of the regimentalness in military life,.....you would get shivers down your spine.

i ORD 3 years ago, now working in office with a lot of young chicks.....and when i think back of my army days.....ugh.

just serve and fark off....that's the motto you should have.

the only people who should sign-on as regulars are those who dream about SAF every night, they get orgasms when they see guns and No.4 uniforms etc...if you're not this kind of people, pls don't.

BETTER

FASTER

STRONGER

RANGER!

NEVER REGRETTED MY DECISION

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by Nikar 3 @ Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:02:04 +0800

Nikar 3 — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:02:04 +0800

signing on during BMT is one of the worst **** decisions you can ever make in your life.

i know of this 3SG guy in my camp last time.....he's very garang, very enthu...to the point he made a rash decision and want to sign on, but luckily some regulars dissuade him. Otherwise.....well....

I can seriously say when you go back to civilian life, and you think back of the regimentalness in military life,.....you would get shivers down your spine.

i ORD 3 years ago, now working in office with a lot of young chicks.....and when i think back of my army days.....ugh.

just serve and fark off....that's the motto you should have.

the only people who should sign-on as regulars are those who dream about SAF every night, they get orgasms when they see guns and No.4 uniforms etc...if you're not this kind of people, pls don't.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by Rednano @ Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:18:09 +0800

Rednano — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:18:09 +0800

Originally posted by walsly:

im back guys. 2mths into my bmt and my BMI dropped to 25 ( i lost almost 10kg). next month is my POP day and i already went thru my SIT test and field camp. Left range n HE live throw n the bloody 24km march...

Just back here to share my thoughts again..after these 2 mths..i've certainly became more physically fitter as well as mentally...but also realized that i do not like the regimental life in SAF at all... who enjoys waking up 5am in the morning everyday...wear smart 4 for lunch..yadayada the list goes on forever....

My initial thoughts was to bloody sign on during bmt..but now i've changed my mind. screw it seriously..i rather work outside for afew yrs then get a tution fee grant to study in uni than being bonded to SAF for 10yrs+++.... Thanks to the bros who offered their advices to me..

*I am on att C because of high fever due to the farkin super duper hot weather during the SIT test.

now then u noe the significance of why others saying, "wait till u serve/ wait till u go unit..."

now spread the words...

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by walsly @ Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:53:30 +0800

walsly — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:53:30 +0800

im back guys. 2mths into my bmt and my BMI dropped to 25 ( i lost almost 10kg). next month is my POP day and i already went thru my SIT test and field camp. Left range n HE live throw n the bloody 24km march...

Just back here to share my thoughts again..after these 2 mths..i've certainly became more physically fitter as well as mentally...but also realized that i do not like the regimental life in SAF at all... who enjoys waking up 5am in the morning everyday...wear smart 4 for lunch..yadayada the list goes on forever....

My initial thoughts was to bloody sign on during bmt..but now i've changed my mind. screw it seriously..i rather work outside for afew yrs then get a tution fee grant to study in uni than being bonded to SAF for 10yrs+++.... Thanks to the bros who offered their advices to me..

*I am on att C because of high fever due to the farkin super duper hot weather during the SIT test.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by bryanw @ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:01:46 +0800

bryanw — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:01:46 +0800

last time in bmt i saw obese recs doing 5BX with music in the background. gave me a shock how come got music. like aerobics. after field camp the plt sgt line them up and used a hose to spray off the mud on their uniform

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by yamizi @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:16:07 +0800

yamizi — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:16:07 +0800

Originally posted by bryanw:

sir u better stop eating so much otherwise u will become like winnie the pooh

Thanks bryanw =)

I have to increase my workout frequency too.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by australasia @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:12:27 +0800

australasia — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:12:27 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

I think you will be made to go through Pes A/B BMT once again. I heard from my friend, his brother also had some medical conditions, tried desperately in upgrade his pes status to become a navy officer. Which eventually he is now, and he was made to redo his BMT. No harm asking your manpower officer on this.

Thanks alot...I will approach my S1 asap. Hopefully she is supportive and not sarcastic like others.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by bryanw @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:01:23 +0800

bryanw — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:01:23 +0800

Originally posted by yamizi:

I was from the obese BMT too. And I am a commissioned officer. If you like to sign on, you should consider the career prospect instead. Like someone had mentioned, if you only have a diploma, the prospect is quite limited, unless you plan to further studies. However, if I'm not wrong, the current plan, the mandatory retirement age for officer is 42. So you have to think what are you going to do after that. Or you intend to sign on only for a few years.

I don't know nowadays obese training, but during my time, it is not suppose to be slack, it suppose to have a lot of weight-loss programme. Like endurance run etc. But, someone in my company died during the training, so physical training was put on halt for some time due to the tragic incident. When I entered into OCS, to me it's a culture shock, 'cos I didn't even get to do SOC during my BMT. And as cadets, we were expected to clear SOC under 9min 30sec. My best time for SOC was 8min 51sec.

To me, physical fitness like chin-ups, trust me, no issue one. From today onwards, you everyday go find one chin-up and do 1 set of your maximum repetition, trust me, can do one. I am 95kg now (shame shame, weight bounces back), I can still do 9 chin-ups. Chin-ups is not about sudden burst of brute force, is actually more on your muscle endurance to stress (in this case, hanging onto something). If you're moderately obese, I'm sure you should be quite big size too. You have the mass, make use of it, train it. You sure can do it one. Have faith in yourself.

I'm sure you have heard of combat fitness. my experience is that, after you really train and shed weight during BMT, it's really not much of a challenge for you to carry heavy stuff and endure rough terrain. 'cos it's like putting on your weight back like that. 'cos we are used to heavy weight le.

The important thing that your instructors will like to see you in BMT is really your positive attitude, cohesiveness, being decisive and determination.

Good luck.

sir u better stop eating so much otherwise u will become like winnie the pooh

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by yamizi @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:48:06 +0800

yamizi — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:48:06 +0800

Originally posted by australasia:

I recently just attended my medical board and been upgraded back to PES B (previously C1L3) status. The medical board requested by myself as I hope to sign on as an officer in the combat side. I choose this career path as I sincerely is interested and enjoy what the army have provided over one and the half years. I have an A level qualification and a place in university.

But I have only completed PES C bmt, although I have pass all three basic requirement (IPPT, IFC & BTP) but i have never attended SOC and SIT test. So I'm wondering if i need to go back for an PES A/B leadership BMT before I'm eligible to sign on then proceed to OCS or if I can proceed straight to OCS after signing-on?

I hope to get this part clear asap so that I can approach my S1 to schedule for my BMT if there is a need to do so. I am left with five months of study and I really hope that I can settle this ASAP and sign on before my service end.

I don't mind extending my service to complete my BMT so that I can sign on, and I don't mind deferring one year of my study to complete my training. So I hope to get some advice here, and my chances of signing on.

I think you will be made to go through Pes A/B BMT once again. I heard from my friend, his brother also had some medical conditions, tried desperately in upgrade his pes status to become a navy officer. Which eventually he is now, and he was made to redo his BMT. No harm asking your manpower officer on this.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by yamizi @ Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:41:43 +0800

yamizi — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:41:43 +0800

Originally posted by walsly:

Hi there, i am enlisting on June 5 2008 (which is next month ) under Obese BMT Batch. My BMI is 27 and the Medic graded me as PES BP. Right now I am training real hard to shed off that extra weight as well as buffing myself up for the trainings in Tekong. I would consider myself as borderline over-weight .

A brief summary about myself :

Just graduated from Temasek Polytechnic (20yrs old this yr)
I failed my NAPFA test.
Although i am borderline over-weight, i am still able to pass my NAPFA test items other than pull up (i passed my 2.4km run n etc)

ok, for the main thing now is whether I am still able to sign on as an Officer ( Either as a combat officer / WSO Fighter / UAV) during my BMT? What worries me is that I am in Obese BMT Batch and I am afraid that there is no OCS intake for Obese BMT Batches. I've already made up my mind about taking up a military career .

I am confident that i can pass my IPPT / SOC during the trainings in BMT. Although i heard the trainings in Obese BMT are quite slack, but I am still ready and willing to chiong .
Like i mentioned above, I am mentally prepared for it, but will chances be given to us that are in Obese BMT batches? moreover I am interested in signing on.

*by the way this is my virgin post =p Senior forum members / officers / old birds n new birds please share your views !

I was from the obese BMT too. And I am a commissioned officer. If you like to sign on, you should consider the career prospect instead. Like someone had mentioned, if you only have a diploma, the prospect is quite limited, unless you plan to further studies. However, if I'm not wrong, the current plan, the mandatory retirement age for officer is 42. So you have to think what are you going to do after that. Or you intend to sign on only for a few years.

I don't know nowadays obese training, but during my time, it is not suppose to be slack, it suppose to have a lot of weight-loss programme. Like endurance run etc. But, someone in my company died during the training, so physical training was put on halt for some time due to the tragic incident. When I entered into OCS, to me it's a culture shock, 'cos I didn't even get to do SOC during my BMT. And as cadets, we were expected to clear SOC under 9min 30sec. My best time for SOC was 8min 51sec.

To me, physical fitness like chin-ups, trust me, no issue one. From today onwards, you everyday go find one chin-up and do 1 set of your maximum repetition, trust me, can do one. I am 95kg now (shame shame, weight bounces back), I can still do 9 chin-ups. Chin-ups is not about sudden burst of brute force, is actually more on your muscle endurance to stress (in this case, hanging onto something). If you're moderately obese, I'm sure you should be quite big size too. You have the mass, make use of it, train it. You sure can do it one. Have faith in yourself.

I'm sure you have heard of combat fitness. my experience is that, after you really train and shed weight during BMT, it's really not much of a challenge for you to carry heavy stuff and endure rough terrain. 'cos it's like putting on your weight back like that. 'cos we are used to heavy weight le.

The important thing that your instructors will like to see you in BMT is really your positive attitude, cohesiveness, being decisive and determination.

Good luck.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by eac @ Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:42:46 +0800

eac — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:42:46 +0800

Originally posted by australasia:

I recently just attended my medical board and been upgraded back to PES B (previously C1L3) status. The medical board requested by myself as I hope to sign on as an officer in the combat side. I choose this career path as I sincerely is interested and enjoy what the army have provided over one and the half years. I have an A level qualification and a place in university.

But I have only completed PES C bmt, although I have pass all three basic requirement (IPPT, IFC & BTP) but i have never attended SOC and SIT test. So I'm wondering if i need to go back for an PES A/B leadership BMT before I'm eligible to sign on then proceed to OCS or if I can proceed straight to OCS after signing-on?

I hope to get this part clear asap so that I can approach my S1 to schedule for my BMT if there is a need to do so. I am left with five months of study and I really hope that I can settle this ASAP and sign on before my service end.

I don't mind extending my service to complete my BMT so that I can sign on, and I don't mind deferring one year of my study to complete my training. So I hope to get some advice here, and my chances of signing on.

y don't u just ask ur chief clerk for an official direct answer?

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by australasia @ Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:21:57 +0800

australasia — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:21:57 +0800

I recently just attended my medical board and been upgraded back to PES B (previously C1L3) status. The medical board requested by myself as I hope to sign on as an officer in the combat side. I choose this career path as I sincerely is interested and enjoy what the army have provided over one and the half years. I have an A level qualification and a place in university.

But I have only completed PES C bmt, although I have pass all three basic requirement (IPPT, IFC & BTP) but i have never attended SOC and SIT test. So I'm wondering if i need to go back for an PES A/B leadership BMT before I'm eligible to sign on then proceed to OCS or if I can proceed straight to OCS after signing-on?

I hope to get this part clear asap so that I can approach my S1 to schedule for my BMT if there is a need to do so. I am left with five months of study and I really hope that I can settle this ASAP and sign on before my service end.

I don't mind extending my service to complete my BMT so that I can sign on, and I don't mind deferring one year of my study to complete my training. So I hope to get some advice here, and my chances of signing on.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by eac @ Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:23:31 +0800

eac — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:23:31 +0800

Originally posted by funkydude10:

juz some questions. isit true that ppl who cant get SMS and SAFOS scholarship can go far in a army career? wad if u get the LSA? thx

officers regulars r forced to retire @ 45.

safos scholars go up to General (BG/MG/LG) rank.
sms got chance too, but mostly at most LTC/COL retire.

lsa is the farmer officer scheme, will stuck at LTA rank for a long time, then go on to CPT. and at best, MAJ/LTC retire.

and officers ranks oso got grading bands... e.g. CPT Grade 1, CPT Grade 2...etc.

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by funkydude10 @ Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:49:31 +0800

funkydude10 — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:49:31 +0800

juz some questions. isit true that ppl who cant get SMS and SAFOS scholarship can go far in a army career? wad if u get the LSA? thx

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by jinco_boi @ Sun, 18 May 2008 16:03:34 +0800

jinco_boi — Sun, 18 May 2008 16:03:34 +0800

walsly..

6mths is usually for >35 bmi..

i was in the 15 weeks bmt.. and whether u 15 weeks or 26 weeks u will go for a SIT test.. which means u can go for command sch.. so dun worry..

pc interview tell ur pc u interested and pass ur ippt will increase ur chances..

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by kopiosatu @ Fri, 16 May 2008 13:01:38 +0800

kopiosatu — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:01:38 +0800

i have a NSF. very good worker, likes all-things uniform...

but he won't sign on. hahahahaha~

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by walsly @ Fri, 16 May 2008 09:34:08 +0800

walsly — Fri, 16 May 2008 09:34:08 +0800

snowfoxx> june 5 1030am. Exactly 19days from today onwards ^^ Damn nervous coz i am reporting there alone :( All my friends had their family members with them ...

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by rey619 @ Fri, 16 May 2008 02:31:29 +0800

rey619 — Fri, 16 May 2008 02:31:29 +0800

Originally posted by snowfoxx:

one word to sum SAF... f-up

that is 2 words

SAF: THE DECISIVE FORCE

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by snowfoxx @ Fri, 16 May 2008 02:14:26 +0800

snowfoxx — Fri, 16 May 2008 02:14:26 +0800

one word to sum SAF... f-up

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by snowfoxx @ Fri, 16 May 2008 02:12:29 +0800

snowfoxx — Fri, 16 May 2008 02:12:29 +0800

I think no matter what your result is, theres no harm trying, so if you are really interested, i would still advise you to apply for it, you have nothing to lose.. right?

But at the end of the day, i think that the rest of the guys are right, you should try out your life in the army, before committing yourself to any bonds of any kind....

Those who have served SAF before would understand the system better, and most of them are rather rejective of life in the army. That tells volume about this organisation... Whens your enlistment date?

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by bryanw @ Thu, 15 May 2008 16:54:57 +0800

bryanw — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:54:57 +0800

Originally posted by snowfoxx:

Diploma in Info-Communications , GPA 2.94......

hmmm, like very difficult. normal good dip results are 'traditionally' classified under 3.5 and above. actually it differs for different courses.... more 'difficult ' courses would be biomedical science... where 3.3-3.4 is classed under good. It differs from year to year also

even if you go overseas, most likely can only apply for universities like the third tier kinds...

ok local universities like NTU are under the second tier.... i dun think with your results you will be able to gain admission, quite a distance from the cut off point

bryanw.... well in aust, they a number of universities, the best ones would be Aust National Uni,

universities that are lower than 40, normally admission requirements is low, A good pass should be able to enter, its sometimes simply the case of if you can afford it, you are admitted.....

University Aus Rank (World Rank) ANU 1 (16) Uni of Melbourne 2 (27) Uni of Sydney 3 (31) UQ 4 (33) Monash U 5 (43) UNSW 6 (44) Uni of Adelaide 7 (62) UWA 8 (64) Macquarie U 9 (168) QUT 10 (195) Uni of Wollongong 11 (199) RMIT 12 (200)

universities that r lower than 40 in world rank, normally admission requirements is low as your statement?

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by walsly @ Thu, 15 May 2008 16:48:39 +0800

walsly — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:48:39 +0800

Originally posted by snowfoxx:

Diploma in Info-Communications , GPA 2.94......

hmmm, like very difficult. normal good dip results are 'traditionally' classified under 3.5 and above. actually it differs for different courses.... more 'difficult ' courses would be biomedical science... where 3.3-3.4 is classed under good. It differs from year to year also

even if you go overseas, most likely can only apply for universities like the third tier kinds...

ok local universities like NTU are under the second tier.... i dun think with your results you will be able to gain admission, quite a distance from the cut off point

bryanw.... well in aust, they a number of universities, the best ones would be Aust National Uni,

universities that are lower than 40, normally admission requirements is low, A good pass should be able to enter, its sometimes simply the case of if you can afford it, you are admitted.....

University Aus Rank (World Rank) ANU 1 (16) Uni of Melbourne 2 (27) Uni of Sydney 3 (31) UQ 4 (33) Monash U 5 (43) UNSW 6 (44) Uni of Adelaide 7 (62) UWA 8 (64) Macquarie U 9 (168) QUT 10 (195) Uni of Wollongong 11 (199) RMIT 12 (200)

hehe,slack too much when i was in year 2 ^^. I wouldn't say my results are bad nor good , just normal... And i know there will be ppl with results better than me applying for it as well. Arghh! Nonetheless, thanks for the precious info ! ^^

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by snowfoxx @ Thu, 15 May 2008 16:10:29 +0800

snowfoxx — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:10:29 +0800

Diploma in Info-Communications , GPA 2.94......

hmmm, like very difficult. normal good dip results are 'traditionally' classified under 3.5 and above. actually it differs for different courses.... more 'difficult ' courses would be biomedical science... where 3.3-3.4 is classed under good. It differs from year to year also

even if you go overseas, most likely can only apply for universities like the third tier kinds...

ok local universities like NTU are under the second tier.... i dun think with your results you will be able to gain admission, quite a distance from the cut off point

bryanw.... well in aust, they a number of universities, the best ones would be Aust National Uni,

universities that are lower than 40, normally admission requirements is low, A good pass should be able to enter, its sometimes simply the case of if you can afford it, you are admitted.....

University Aus Rank (World Rank) ANU 1 (16) Uni of Melbourne 2 (27) Uni of Sydney 3 (31) UQ 4 (33) Monash U 5 (43) UNSW 6 (44) Uni of Adelaide 7 (62) UWA 8 (64) Macquarie U 9 (168) QUT 10 (195) Uni of Wollongong 11 (199) RMIT 12 (200)

Thoughts of Sign On B4 Enlist replied by walsly @ Thu, 15 May 2008 14:54:09 +0800

walsly — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:54:09 +0800

Originally posted by eac:

the foremost advice pple will give is to experience bmt 1st, or even in unit life 1st... cos life in bmt n unit is different... bmt is the 'just started' learning military part, so factor in the fun element. when transited to unit, there is a change of environment wif whatever thrown in...atec... ISO checks... unit culture...etc...

if u learnt some basic principles of economics, u will hear the law of diminishing. read it. in simple, it means interest will diminish over time. most of the time it applies to most things as well.

n u will be misleaded if u heed someone 'advices', when he just signed the dotted line, have not enter ocs yet, n if u bothered to check some replies of his multi nicks, u will understand... cos empty vessels make the most noise...

Can't help but to agree with you..interest will diminish over time. I need to give some serious thoughts about this b4 and after i enlisted. Anyway, i took all the replies that i've gotten (as well as browsing through various online forums) as my reference. Kind of interesting to see what many other singaporeans think about NS and signing on. ^^

By the way, any others enlisting in june 5 as well?

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