Shang Jin Tian Liang Ar!!!

"I got a friend who asked me to listen to a seminar in commonwealth, from Bel' Air (some 'aroma-medicare') MLM company. "

Think u better write off this friend and stay away ..

I really wonder ... is it the brainwash is too good ? Or people IQ too low ?

The business model WILL NEVER work ... because the your income depends on other people's contribution ... and you victimised your friends and family ...

I recommend that :
1) If your friend become one of them - leave them
2) If one of your family join them - disown them ... this is better than they come back and say you are the unsupportive brother/sister/cousin ... and blame their failure on unsupportive relatives.

If you analyse the Cost of Product, you will realise ... cost of lamp = 10% (just an estimate) of selling price, commission to all the uplines and whatever fish lines = 90%.

My friend went to one that says the product reverses aging process ... can u believe it ???!!!

I think the government need to do something about this ... if Ah Long is illegal, how can selling empty membership be legal ? At least Ah Long really give you real money ... just that interest a bit high ... if they register themselves with MAS ... maybe they can get a licence because the business is real ...

Stop betraying friends, con family members, victimise innocent "new" friends, cheat colleagues, and bring misfortune to the country ...

Originally posted by DKSG:

"I got a friend who asked me to listen to a seminar in commonwealth, from Bel' Air (some 'aroma-medicare') MLM company. "

Think u better write off this friend and stay away ..

I really wonder ... is it the brainwash is too good ? Or people IQ too low ?

The business model WILL NEVER work ... because the your income depends on other people's contribution ... and you victimised your friends and family ...

I recommend that :
1) If your friend become one of them - leave them
2) If one of your family join them - disown them ... this is better than they come back and say you are the unsupportive brother/sister/cousin ... and blame their failure on unsupportive relatives.

If you analyse the Cost of Product, you will realise ... cost of lamp = 10% (just an estimate) of selling price, commission to all the uplines and whatever fish lines = 90%.

My friend went to one that says the product reverses aging process ... can u believe it ???!!!

I think the government need to do something about this ... if Ah Long is illegal, how can selling empty membership be legal ? At least Ah Long really give you real money ... just that interest a bit high ... if they register themselves with MAS ... maybe they can get a licence because the business is real ...

Stop betraying friends, con family members, victimise innocent "new" friends, cheat colleagues, and bring misfortune to the country ...

Ya, but what to do? Bel'Air sponsored our National Day, and won some 'Gold Medal' leh.

Now I dunno whether I should show my friend this forum and many 'pyramid scheme' websites (one of them even listed Bel' Air as a pyramid scheme'), or just completely ignore it. I mean, if my friend is really making honest money, i should congratulate him. But seeing the negativity about Bel' Air, I really dunno what to do....

What can the Government do? If this and so many other MLM carry on, people will lose so much money.

Any SUCCESS story about Bel'Air??? Is there salvation for these people???

Hey guys, interesting insights indeed! Great stuff....just the topic i was looking for to clarify some thoughts.

I got a fren who says he is working as a "distributor" in bel'air, not an "agent". Any diff? He claims to be making good money after a year in the business. You see.....i would love to believe him but with all this bad hype, how to?

Anyway, I just like to seek an opinion. My fren also claims that he's not in MLM, but in "Network Marketing" (NM). According to him, MLMers do multi-level selling. NM focuses more on recruitment. The difference is that NM's focus is not on product selling but once any new product is launched, if the whole chain of distributors purchase a product each, everybody "huat" liao ah!

When I asked him what amount of cash bel'air would expect me to fork out if i joined, his reply was that when he first joined, he wasn't pressured to fork out any cash immediately. (I'm not serious of cos)

His namecard reads "Bel'Air" at the top left and "AAA Entrepreneurship Educational Center" on the top right. He keeps telling me that he's not doing MLM but network marketing. I couldn't help but feel that he's hiding something.......sighz. This chap actually has some pretty good education.

Any enlighteners?

Originally posted by Rock^Star:

Hey guys, interesting insights indeed! Great stuff....just the topic i was looking for to clarify some thoughts.

I got a fren who says he is working as a "distributor" in bel'air, not an "agent". Any diff? He claims to be making good money after a year in the business. You see.....i would love to believe him but with all this bad hype, how to?

Anyway, I just like to seek an opinion. My fren also claims that he's not in MLM, but in "Network Marketing" (NM). According to him, MLMers do multi-level selling. NM focuses more on recruitment. The difference is that NM's focus is not on product selling but once any new product is launched, if the whole chain of distributors purchase a product each, everybody "huat" liao ah!

When I asked him what amount of cash bel'air would expect me to fork out if i joined, his reply was that when he first joined, he wasn't pressured to fork out any cash immediately. (I'm not serious of cos)

His namecard reads "Bel'Air" at the top left and "AAA Entrepreneurship Educational Center" on the top right. He keeps telling me that he's not doing MLM but network marketing. I couldn't help but feel that he's hiding something.......sighz. This chap actually has some pretty good education.

Any enlighteners?

If you look at most contracts or application forms signed, most will state that 'a distributor is not an employee, representative or an agent of the company'

Generally, the term 'agent' for law means you can act for the company in some matters, depending on the authority given or supposedly given to you.

So an employee can sign receipt forms for goods supplied to the company, but as a distributor , you cant etc etc

i am not sure tho, but my friend in Bel Air did not make an distinction between NM and MLM, and i dont see the distinction either

No matter what, recruitment-only scheme is illegal under the MLM Act

NM or MLM is a workable business model if you have a large sum of capital for its growth and existence. Time, efforts and money would be greatly required to succeed in this business that requires ethical and consultative approach.

However, most people are overtaken by their own greed and expectation. What you see is the application of 80/20 rule where sponsors focus only on downlines who are strong in their sales or recruitment growth. It is a valid approach because not many of us can succeed in this business.

We have to ask ourselves if this business upholds our value, belief, and ethics when dealing with people, products and business. Otherwise, it is not your cup of tea/coffee to begin. There would be conflict of expectation, betrayals of friendship/kinship, and so forth as highlighted by the previous contributors of this post.

The key factor is determine whether such company is running a pyramid marketing based on recruitment rather than product selling.

Hi, the easiest way to tell the difference from a proper MLM and a pyramid selling is.
1)Proper MLM's products could easily be sold in the direct market at the same price as thru MLM. Eg if a company decides to sell a slimming product (similar to extrim etc etc) thru retailers instead of MLM, it would be at the same price. Pyramid selling products on the other hand are over priced and could never be sold effectively thru direct channel. Only way to suceed is to con people to join, sell hope and overpriced product at same time. Ask yourself whether would people buy some expensive aroma products (even more expensive than CK, Polo fragrances {considered luxury products} if they see it for sale in CK Tang etc etc.

2)second is the strong emphasis on recruitment (heavy start-up cost eg 13K for Count in Bel Air) New Distributors have to bear heavy entry cost to join business. Disincentified to join at lower levels.

3)they will often brag about the income potential of people doing the business (eg dukes making easily 500K yearly) Marquis (180K) and Count (80K), they often miss out on giving real evidence proof eg IR8A form (IRAS return form stating income). IRAS should really check on the incomes of these so called top distributors (Maybe some tax evasion or misrepresentation) They also fail to provide proof of average return of distributors and will based their presentation on the words of a few to mislead the audience.

We need people who have been victimised or who feels strongly against unethical and illegal pyramid selling to step up and report their complaints and greviences with the relevant authorities. Only with the action of the public would people who commit wrong be rightfully punished (remember NKF).
The Commercial Affairs Department (CAD) investigates pyramid selling schemes. If you suspect a scheme has contravened the MLM Act, you can report to the CAD at telephone number 3250000 or lodge a report at 391 New Bridge Road, #06-701 Block D, Police Cantonment Complex, Singapore 088762.

What is Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) and Pyramid Selling?

A Multi-Level Marketing or Pyramid Selling scheme will typically require participants to pay an upfront charge. In return, the participants are promised financial rewards for each additional participant recruited, as well as all new participants who are in turn brought in by their recruits - hence the pyramid-like structure.
As more salespersons are recruited, participants hope to recover their upfront charges and earn sizeable profits. However, such a pyramid schemes will eventually collapse when they run out of new recruits, resulting in those salespersons at the bottom of the pyramid losing all their upfront charges.
In the interest of consumer protection, the Government's regulation effort is targeted at preventing the proliferation of such high-risk schemes.

2. How do I recognise a pyramid selling scheme?

Many pyramid schemes often disguise themselves as sellers collectors' items, software, training programmes, etc, when all they are interested is to make a quick buck through recruitment. Members of the public who attend sales talks must be vigilant to such schemes. Illegitimate MLM schemes usually share the following characteristics:
When the promoter hype about how easy it is to earn money, people can get very rich in a very short time and that the way to earn money is by recruiting others to join the scheme;
The so-called product that you are supposed to sell is not something you would normally buy at its price;Participants are required to invest money into the scheme, whether in the form of a joining fee, or buying inventory. Remember - there is no easy money, you must believe in what you are selling and you should not put your money at unnecessary risk.

3. How are MLM activities governed in Singapore?

MLM activities in Singapore are governed by the Multi-level Marketing and Pyramid Selling(Prohibition) Act. The Ministry of Trade and Industry administers the Act.

The original Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Selling (Prohibition) Act was first passed in 1973. In June 2000, Parliament approved an amendment to the Act to widen the definition of pyramid selling to catch all business schemes that were multi-level in nature.

However, as not all multi-level marketing techniques are undesirable, the Government concurrently enacted the Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Selling (Excluded Schemes and Arrangements) Order (hereafter, referred to as the ¡®Exclusion Order) to exclude legitimate businesses from the Act, such as insurance companies, master franchises, and direct selling companies which fulfill certain criteria. This Exclusion Order was implemented in June 2000.

However, it also introduced the following rules for direct selling companies:
Safeguards - A participant cannot be required to provide any benefit or acquire any commodity in order to become a participant in the scheme, other than the purchase of demonstration equipment which is not for resale, at no more than cost price and for which no commission can be given out. A legitimate multi-level marketing scheme would not impose a financial risk on salespersons. For example, salespersons should be entitled to full refunds, under reasonable commercial terms, for any inventories kept or purchased by them which are not sold to end consumers, so long as the inventories are returned within a period of 60 days.
Behavioural checks - The companies must not misrepresent the scheme as get-rich-quick opportunities, and should not use fraud, coercion, harassment, or unconscionable means to force people to join the scheme. Instead, the companies should focus their efforts on promoting the quality and features of the products. If a company wishes to show potential participants the earning potential, they must keep records of the maximum, minimum, mean, mode and median earnings of their salespeople in the past.
Sharing of commission - It is all right for a salesperson to share commissions from several layers of salespersons recruited by him. However, such commissions must be generated by sale of the product or service in question, and not through the recruitment of additional participants into the scheme.
[During the review of the MLM Act in Year2000, the fines were raised from $30,000 to $200,000. Currently, a conviction under the Act will result in a fine of up to $200,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years, or to both. The fines are for the following offences:[/b] promoting or participating in a multi-level marketing, or pyramid selling, scheme or arrangement.
registering a business which is designed to promote multi-level marketing, or pyramid selling, scheme or arrangement.
registering a company which proposes to promote multi-level marketing, or pyramid selling, scheme or arrangement.
In addition, the Act empowers a Court that convicts a promoter or participant of a multi-level marketing or pyramid selling an additional penalty of an amount not exceeding the amount or value of any benefit which the promoter or participant has received. This additional penalty ensures that the Act serves as an effective deterrent to potential offenders.

From the looks of this forum and others on Bel'Air.......seems like it is a SHITTY company!!!

How come this kind of company can still survive till today worldwide? Scorpio 76 seems to imply that it is a "pyramid" style company.....If so, what the hell is CAD doing? Or is Bel'Air so smart that it has managed to play within the rules all these fXXXing years!!

Sighz.....hope these "think I can retire by 35" morons rot in deep hell.

Originally posted by Rock^Star:

From the looks of this forum and others on Bel'Air.......seems like it is a SHITTY company!!!

How come this kind of company can still survive till today worldwide? Scorpio 76 seems to imply that it is a "pyramid" style company.....If so, what the hell is CAD doing? Or is Bel'Air so smart that it has managed to play within the rules all these fXXXing years!!

Sighz.....hope these "think I can retire by 35" morons rot in deep hell.

I have always wonder why the authorities can condone investment schemes promoted by Bel'Air. If many are disgusted with their presentation materials after attending the seminars, it says a lot about the company. Just attend the seminars and you will be convinced the company is recruitment driven and not product focus. I was agnast when they promote the "1+5" & "1+15" investment schemes. Are they still on "offer" or there are more innovative get rich promotions?

Hope more who have attended the seminars conducted by Bel'Air will share their experience.

As i mentioned, bring awareness to the general masses, alert your friends to the dangers of MLM and get the authorities to come in to address our issues. Contact the CAD as i mentioned to voice out your concerns, NKF was also bought down after the going ons were published in the press before the CAD moved in. Basically the legal system is not perfect and victims and the general public need to take action and speak out before the police may take action. Thisis what i got from a blog on Lampe berger, sister company to Bel Air.

Sunday, March 19, 2006
DCHL - product based pyramid schemes
This morning I received an email from Mr Jon M. Taylor, who I have corresponded on the issue of DCHL. This is what he wrote:

Thank you for linking our site to your blog. Good move.

And thank you for sending the compensation plan for DCHL. Based on our "5 Red Flags" analysis, I have added DCHL to the list of “recruiting MLM’s”, or product-based pyramid schemes. Where we have been able to get the data, we have found that in such schemes with all “5 Red Flags” in their compensation plans – at least 99% of participants lose money!

Keep up the good work. These schemes need to be exposed.

- Jon M. Taylor, Ph.D., President, Consumer Awareness Institute

and Advisor, Pyramid Scheme Alert

E-mail: jonmtaylor@juno.com

Web site for MLM research and guides – www.mlm-thetruth.com

Here is what he meant by red flags (steps to determine if the mlm is a product based pyramid schemes:

Red Flag #1: Participants are recruited in an endless chain of participants.

Red Flag #2: Advancement in the scheme is by recruitment, rather than by appointment.

Red Flag #3: Participants are expected to buy (or subscribe to) products or services in order to qualify for commissions or bonuses or to advance in the scheme.

Red Flag #4: The company pays commissions and bonuses on more than four levels of participants. (LB has 6 generations...)

Red Flag #5: Company payout per sale for the total of all upline participants exceeds that for the person actually selling the product.

As i mentioned, bring awareness to the general masses, alert your friends to the dangers of MLM and get the authorities to come in to address our issues. Contact the CAD as i mentioned to voice out your concerns, NKF was also bought down after the going ons were published in the press before the CAD moved in. Basically the legal system is not perfect and victims and the general public need to take action and speak out before the police may take action. Thisis what i got from a blog on Lampe berger, sister company to Bel Air.

Sunday, March 19, 2006
DCHL - product based pyramid schemes
This morning I received an email from Mr Jon M. Taylor, who I have corresponded on the issue of DCHL. This is what he wrote:

Thank you for linking our site to your blog. Good move.

And thank you for sending the compensation plan for DCHL. Based on our "5 Red Flags" analysis, I have added DCHL to the list of “recruiting MLM’s”, or product-based pyramid schemes. Where we have been able to get the data, we have found that in such schemes with all “5 Red Flags” in their compensation plans – at least 99% of participants lose money!

Keep up the good work. These schemes need to be exposed.

- Jon M. Taylor, Ph.D., President, Consumer Awareness Institute

and Advisor, Pyramid Scheme Alert

E-mail: jonmtaylor@juno.com

Web site for MLM research and guides – www.mlm-thetruth.com

Here is what he meant by red flags (steps to determine if the mlm is a product based pyramid schemes:

Red Flag #1: Participants are recruited in an endless chain of participants.

Red Flag #2: Advancement in the scheme is by recruitment, rather than by appointment.

Red Flag #3: Participants are expected to buy (or subscribe to) products or services in order to qualify for commissions or bonuses or to advance in the scheme.

Red Flag #4: The company pays commissions and bonuses on more than four levels of participants. (LB has 6 generations...)

Red Flag #5: Company payout per sale for the total of all upline participants exceeds that for the person actually selling the product.

Originally posted by Scorpio76:

As i mentioned, bring awareness to the general masses, alert your friends to the dangers of MLM and get the authorities to come in to address our issues. Contact the CAD as i mentioned to voice out your concerns, NKF was also bought down after the going ons were published in the press before the CAD moved in. Basically the legal system is not perfect and victims and the general public need to take action and speak out before the police may take action. Thisis what i got from a blog on Lampe berger, sister company to Bel Air.

Sunday, March 19, 2006
DCHL - product based pyramid schemes
This morning I received an email from Mr Jon M. Taylor, who I have corresponded on the issue of DCHL. This is what he wrote:

Thank you for linking our site to your blog. Good move.

And thank you for sending the compensation plan for DCHL. Based on our "5 Red Flags" analysis, I have added DCHL to the list of “recruiting MLM’s”, or product-based pyramid schemes. Where we have been able to get the data, we have found that in such schemes with all “5 Red Flags” in their compensation plans – at least 99% of participants lose money!

Keep up the good work. These schemes need to be exposed.

- Jon M. Taylor, Ph.D., President, Consumer Awareness Institute

and Advisor, Pyramid Scheme Alert

E-mail: jonmtaylor@juno.com

Web site for MLM research and guides – www.mlm-thetruth.com

Here is what he meant by red flags (steps to determine if the mlm is a product based pyramid schemes:

Red Flag #1: Participants are recruited in an endless chain of participants.

Red Flag #2: Advancement in the scheme is by recruitment, rather than by appointment.

Red Flag #3: Participants are expected to buy (or subscribe to) products or services in order to qualify for commissions or bonuses or to advance in the scheme.

Red Flag #4: The company pays commissions and bonuses on more than four levels of participants. (LB has 6 generations...)

Red Flag #5: Company payout per sale for the total of all upline participants exceeds that for the person actually selling the product.

I think based on what Scorpio76 listed as the 5 Red Flags, Bel'Air is clearly one of the pyramid schemes.

Anyway for the Authorities to investigate this company? Or whats the procedure like? I also got my pocket burned ($1k), but people should be told of this company...

Originally posted by Rock^Star:

Hey guys, interesting insights indeed! Great stuff....just the topic i was looking for to clarify some thoughts.

I got a fren who says he is working as a "distributor" in bel'air, not an "agent". Any diff? He claims to be making good money after a year in the business. You see.....i would love to believe him but with all this bad hype, how to?

Anyway, I just like to seek an opinion. My fren also claims that he's not in MLM, but in "Network Marketing" (NM). According to him, MLMers do multi-level selling. NM focuses more on recruitment. The difference is that NM's focus is not on product selling but once any new product is launched, if the whole chain of distributors purchase a product each, everybody "huat" liao ah!

When I asked him what amount of cash bel'air would expect me to fork out if i joined, his reply was that when he first joined, he wasn't pressured to fork out any cash immediately. (I'm not serious of cos)

His namecard reads "Bel'Air" at the top left and "AAA Entrepreneurship Educational Center" on the top right. He keeps telling me that he's not doing MLM but network marketing. I couldn't help but feel that he's hiding something.......sighz. This chap actually has some pretty good education.

Any enlighteners?

Oh, ya what I heard from my friend, the AAA thing is a training center, stands for Aim, Act and Achieve or some sh!t like that.

AAA is actually one of the teams in bel air- Supposely the best aggressive and high flying team in Bel Air. My friend was con by them to join and is having problems getting out now. As mentioned in my earlier postings the easiest way to solve the situation is to create public awareness on the wrongdoings of the company only then may the CAD be forced to act. Call up the CAD to clarify on your rights and to lodge a report with them. Do your bit to save the next person who may get swayed by their lies and deceit.

quote:
Oh, ya what I heard from my friend, the AAA thing is a training center, stands for Aim, Act and Achieve or some sh!t like that.

Sabelli, now I understand AAA's motto

Aim at the target

Act when the target is most vulnerable

Achieve your 5 figures at their expense

Originally posted by k2wanviet:
quote:
Oh, ya what I heard from my friend, the AAA thing is a training center, stands for Aim, Act and Achieve or some sh!t like that.

Sabelli, now I understand AAA's motto

[b]Aim at the target

Act when the target is most vulnerable

Achieve your 5 figures at their expense



[/b]

Ha, ya I agree with you on that. I do not really think any of those distributors can really attain 5d income, unless thay have a royal army of down-down-down-downlines.

Also quite upset as these 'friends' of ours really just see us as opportunities -targets for them to hopefully make back what they forked out to progress in the rank system.

If I can go back in time, I rather not have them in my aquaintance

Originally posted by Scorpio76:

AAA is actually one of the teams in bel air- Supposely the best aggressive and high flying team in Bel Air. My friend was con by them to join and is having problems getting out now. As mentioned in my earlier postings the easiest way to solve the situation is to create public awareness on the wrongdoings of the company only then may the CAD be forced to act. Call up the CAD to clarify on your rights and to lodge a report with them. Do your bit to save the next person who may get swayed by their lies and deceit.

Err... if i am in this 'best aggressive and high flying team' of people that sets out to scam friends and family, I think I willl not sleep well at night

Any more info on this AAA team? My friend claims that he earned $60,000 in 2005 and talked to me as if I should be impressed. (Goodness)

And he told me that he tries to spot "talents" to join him. He looks at these 4 ways:

1) Ability to analyse and spot trends in the world (eg the bird flu can generate a lot of fragrance business)

2) Must love money

3) Must be ambitious so that one is willing to fork out time

4) (i forgot)

OMG, on hindsight, when he presented his stuff to me, he sounded like he was trying to position himself away from the MLM stereotype. Many a times I was baffled by his story......he was really dodgy and not being upfront.

Sighz....that cock. I think he should go and f himself, thinks he can really be a big time "businessman". Hope he falls really hard on his ass. HAHA

Originally posted by Rock^Star:

Any more info on this AAA team? My friend claims that he earned $60,000 in 2005 and talked to me as if I should be impressed. (Goodness)

And he told me that he tries to spot "talents" to join him. He looks at these 4 ways:

1) Ability to analyse and spot trends in the world (eg the bird flu can generate a lot of fragrance business)

2) Must love money

3) Must be ambitious so that one is willing to fork out time

4) (i forgot)

OMG, on hindsight, when he presented his stuff to me, he sounded like he was trying to position himself away from the MLM stereotype. Many a times I was baffled by his story......he was really dodgy and not being upfront.

Sighz....that cock. I think he should go and f himself, thinks he can really be a big time "businessman". Hope he falls really hard on his ass. HAHA

Ur friends earns $60, 000! Amazing! Did he treat you lunch at Fullerton Hotel or anything ?

I think all that needs to be said has been said. So far there's been a lot of negativity about Bel'air. Yet there's no agent from the company to help defend it's reputation, at least down here. Don't get me wrong. Im anti-Belair. But i'll explain some things on what they say sounds unbelievable. There must be a reason why some ppl continued to stay in Belair even though a lot of negativity has been poured onto them. It has to be the money of cos.

Actually Bel'air's so-called ''strategy'' is not to be a ''salesman'' but selling Counts to potential downlines. That's their sales pitch. They want you to believe you are doing a big business under the pretext of entrepreneurship. Actually, it's possible to earn $60k if you have overseas downlines, especially mainland Chinese. The mainland Chinese are generally very hardworking and shrewd people.

I have heard of people travelling to China and liase with overseas contacts and build their downlines there, setting up a big stockist centre containing the products and selling them like a traditional business. How well the upline earns depends on how much the sales volume is for that month.

But it's a delicate balance of managing ppl in China and Singapore. Generally speaking, it's better to establish a network in Singapore before going overseas. If you do the latter, u can find instability in your network foundation becos you do have to constantly monitor the progress overseas. Besides you have to keep teaching them how to conduct the business. That's the reason why Belair agents will tell you that it's an entrepreneurial business and you can earn a lot of money. In short Belair's selling point is that it allows you to do business anywhere, achieve your sales volume and still earn Sing dollars relative to the sales volume, theoretically speaking.

If you look at Bel'air's compensation plan, generally speaking, how much you earn is based on how many Counts you have 'cut', so u will be promoted faster and theoretically 'earn' more. Example: Cut more '1+5s' which is like 300k sing dollars, so you will be promoted faster to marquis, THEORETICALLY speaking.

It's a neverending business. Like any business, there's a possibility that your network can collapse if you don't manage your team well, especially your frontlines. Dukes sometimes have to look for potential partners.

Originally posted by Rock^Star:

Any more info on this AAA team? My friend claims that he earned $60,000 in 2005 and talked to me as if I should be impressed. (Goodness)

And he told me that he tries to spot "talents" to join him. He looks at these 4 ways:

1) Ability to analyse and spot trends in the world (eg the bird flu can generate a lot of fragrance business)

2) Must love money

3) Must be ambitious so that one is willing to fork out time

4) (i forgot)

OMG, on hindsight, when he presented his stuff to me, he sounded like he was trying to position himself away from the MLM stereotype. Many a times I was baffled by his story......he was really dodgy and not being upfront.

Sighz....that cock. I think he should go and f himself, thinks he can really be a big time "businessman". Hope he falls really hard on his ass. HAHA

Haha, I think your 'friend' is about as 'honest' as my friend, income of 5 digit my ass.

If i got an income of 5 digit,

1) I will not take MRT to Commonwealth (Bel'Air HQ). Just flag a taxi, so simple and don't have to squeeze for space on the train. (And how much really does it cost? 10 dollars tops? what is it if one is earning 5 digit income haha.)

2) I will go to Fullerton Hotel for a 5-star dinner to bait my friends to join (my friend treated me one BBQ chicken wing, seriously).

3) I will give up my day job (my friend is still a salesperson in some electronic store), why bother to face your boss, have fixed working hours, and still get f'ed left, right, up, down,center, when you can just attend seminars, workshops, speeches (and whatever they throw at you) on how to use a aromatherapuetic lamp.

4) I will not be desperately looking for people to 'join' this 'business opportunity'.

I think the 4 points your friends make needs abit of editing... so here goes:

1) Ability to analyse and spot trends in the world (eg the bird flu can generate a lot of fragrance business)

Aility to analyse and spot trends in the world, even if Bel'Air really can't fit into the trend, must convince people that it does.

2) Must love money
Must love money , but in this business you have to cheat your family, friends and relatives and ask them to fish out a 'low risk investment' of 12k so they can have the chance to love more money

3) Must be ambitious so that one is willing to fork out time
Must be ambitious so that one is willing to fork out time to listen to brainwashing talks, trainings, collecting stocks, going to HQ (commonwealth on weekends) and training centre (Boon Keng on weekdays) i think, every 7 pm, , not too sure. And of course no transport provided.

4) (i forgot)
Maybe along the lines of 'after you sign the documents, you are on your own, if your friends/family don't want to fork out 12k, there is nothing we can do, just make sure u collect the 12k worth of lamp goods (i heard lamps similar to Bel'Air, Lampe Berger, is available on the market at 10% of Bel'Air selling price), and don't ask for refund.'

Take my example, when I went to some Marquis' house for celebration (he is supposedly earning 5 digit). I looked at his house, almost cannot imagine if he has that kind of income, why don't he do up his shack.

Like what DKSG said,these friends can really be written off (but disowning family members is a bit drastic).

Just look at the people doing the Bel' Air business, observe what they really own and do. Of course, they'll psycho you by saying things like how negative people feel about MLMs, how you have to put in alot of hard work prospecting, and that only through perseverance and determination can you earn that type of income. I found out from some anti-mlm websites, that some people do earn these income, but only because they start early, and have plenty of downlines that are striving so hard to survive (to recoup the initial investment), thus giving these few people the high commission.

People have got to think, if they are earning so much money, where is the source of their money coming from? There must be some poor soul that is buying your product (read: marketing plan), and they are gullible to believe that this is an investment of money that will provide returns of tenfolds.

Just too bad that no legal investigations are conducted in MlMs like Bel' Air, NTI or whatever company.

If you believe in what your friend says, then hopefully what he says is really true. Maybe he went overseas and got a major network of distributors going. I've lost 1k in this, but more importantly i lost my trust for my 'friend' (and to think, he used to be quite streetsmart too). This type of friends, I rather not have. Feel so pissed what he took me for.

No lah, fullerton? My foot ah!

First time I met him at this cafe, i footed the bill. He said, "Next time my treat!" Then when we met at another cafe a month later, he forgot about it. I hinted to him before he took initiative.

And yah, why take public transport instead of drivng a european car. First, he claimed that he wanted a certain 2.0L Jap car, then the next time I met him, he says he's opting for another lower priced 1.8L Jap car (one that is launching in a few months time). Stalling for time? Think if I meet him (if ever) again in a year's time, he's still using his feet.

I hate people who "tua kang". (I'm sure you pple too)

Hey those of u MLMers reading this posting. Get a life!!!! You don't earn gd income as u claim. Even if you do, I bet that u will dry up. And don't even boast that u earn $60,000 to $100,000 in a year. There are plenty like that in Singapore (and they are REAL), unlike u pseudos.

Stop thinking that it's entrepreneurship. One day, CAD will catch up with you and then you will really be your own boss in your prison cell. Free food and drinks....shiok ah!

i really don’t understand why is my friend know the truth STILL think that this business is an chance to get alot of money? i try to let HER know about this if your down line u recuit still unable to get any more downline the business will be doom and you will not gain any money also

my friend...is workin in Bel'Air...i think the parent company ia a company called Sathe....(forgotten how to spell)...was sayin that the company specialized in making products using nano tech.

he was persuading me to attend the talk..still have to pay $5..about what cashflow managment.
and he said...its not really easy to be a business partner and when u attend the talk,the company at the same time will be screening you.

and when i asked him...will there be any talks held again?coz i need to think about it...and he replied..."well..if you need time to think about it den guess this is not the right thing for you as business minded ppl will grab any opportunity presented to them"

and when i asked if i can bring any friend along...he said "better not,coz your friend will distract you from makin decisions.."

i was like...so you want me to be surrounded by those ppl and let them to brainwash me?

and he was persuadin n persuadin.like tellin me he was helpin me.so that i can get money and start my own business n things.....till I a bit fed up..i said..ok..why not you pay me $500 and ill go?...

haha...since you r such a good friend and want to help me...why not you give me money loh.hahahahahahha

Originally posted by Pommes frites:

my friend...is workin in Bel'Air...i think the parent company ia a company called Sathe....(forgotten how to spell)...was sayin that the company specialized in making products using nano tech.

he was persuading me to attend the talk..still have to pay $5..about what cashflow managment.
and he said...its not really easy to be a business partner and when u attend the talk,the company at the same time will be screening you.

and when i asked him...will there be any talks held again?coz i need to think about it...and he replied..."well..if you need time to think about it den guess this is not the right thing for you as business minded ppl will grab any opportunity presented to them"
and when i asked if i can bring any friend along...he said "better not,coz your friend will distract you from makin decisions.."

i was like...so you want me to be surrounded by those ppl and let them to brainwash me?

and he was persuadin n persuadin.like tellin me he was helpin me.so that i can get money and start my own business n things.....till I a bit fed up..i said..ok..why not you pay me $500 and ill go?...

haha...since you r such a good friend and want to help me...why not you give me money loh.hahahahahahha

In RED, dun tell me that the only opportunity is on that day itself...if that's the case...well...this must be a lousy business then...wat's the point of "investing" in taht company...

Eh, no one wants to defend Bel'Air ah???

I think Bel'Air is now hotter than what NTI already hahaha

Bel'Air MLMers, say something leh... Don't be shy