Another Scam Project By Ex-NOP Boss, James Phang! Beware!
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+1Originally posted by mrleech:LOL. I see no use to even meet their managers. How many are really of substance? I overheard someone on today commenting of the rally at Expo on Sunday.
"You know ah, Sunday I was at expo. Saw so many ginas wearing shirt, tie, suits... Wanna act big, but no substance."
Hmm.. interesting right? Want respect? Then earn it.
Anyway FYI, I spoke to Jacky before when he was still some Regional Director or something in NTI. He dun seem too knowledgable enough to be the MD. At least thats what I feel.
I agree.
He is just a follower...following the instructions of the international president only..
that's why I will not choose to stay in a company whose leaders knows nothing on how to run a business. -
some people work hard but didnt get want he deserve..jealous...so starts faming ..well we will see whahahahahahaha
time will tell... -
Your point being??Originally posted by human traffic:some people work hard but didnt get want he deserve..jealous...so starts faming ..well we will see whahahahahahaha
time will tell...
Blind faith is bad. I seen how Jacky was since he started in NOP. I dun see any growth in his knowledge of MLM, even more so with MLM law. Maybe I should update myself by meeting him again. -
strangely, none of nti agent or whatever mixed up subsidiary distributors and agents came to proclaim their income earnings
only recent chaps
why its always like this? -
erm, why do they have to proclaim their income here...? if someone is to provide his account statement, most probably it will cause more fuse, >_>" so i see no point for them to do so. i can edit anything with photoshop, so what makes you guys to believe something which is uploaded via internet and post it in a forum.
every issue that were discuss in forum consist of negative and positive comments , it is not a set of rule like mathematics. but rather a open discussion, thats what the forums are for.
lets say, if the emcom thingy really succeeded, what u guys has to say?
but i do know one thing, if emcom failed , u guys will go " hahaha! see am right" =x -
if so..that was what we were told about many past schemes
somebody even go post a topic on the list of schemes that failed
i wont go haha if it failed, i would just say 'i told u so'
dont twist to personal attacks by going on how people wish to see it fail, when nuthing succeeded so far
disgusting behaviour...as usual -
hmm...interestingly, I heard that sunshine empire alr acquired AJL license (MLM business license) in M'sia and will conduct a press conference to clarify its status. Has any1 heard of this???
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that david guy tell everyone he make over 200k SGD in a month,
Jackie say he 3 months make 1 million
hmmm... u can believe it if u want guys -
wow.. tat means now he is multi millionaire??Originally posted by jonzibonzi:that david guy tell everyone he make over 200k SGD in a month,
Jackie say he 3 months make 1 million
hmmm... u can believe it if u want guys
top 50 in singapore's whos who or not?? -
guess will be soon. aiya i don't care so much i just want the company to give me as much rebates as possible can already, and i don't want pple who don't know anything to anyhow tarnish this company image, later my rebate drop how!
so stop it and don't harm harmless people like me
I know all the facts and figures that this company have, you have to conjure something really good to make me and my friends believe its a scam -
if u have facts and figures, the fallen is ready to provide a challenge, so why hesitate?
besides, you cant even show proof of income, bloody evading this and that
typical bloody MLMers
sheesh -
either you are damn naive or damn stupid,
who would wanna post his income tax on a forum?
You are just afraid of the truth (NTI has finally made it)
Go down and request for the income tax!
OMG!
damn stupid leh! i cannot take it anymore -
again, show proof
NPNT
no proof no talk -
Another person BLINDED BY GREED!!Originally posted by jonzibonzi:guess will be soon. aiya i don't care so much i just want the company to give me as much rebates as possible can already, and i don't want pple who don't know anything to anyhow tarnish this company image, later my rebate drop how!
so stop it and don't harm harmless people like me
I know all the facts and figures that this company have, you have to conjure something really good to make me and my friends believe its a scam
You're Selfish.
Money Minded only.
Greedy
You only want $_$ and you choose to ignore the facts that I have ready for presentation.
You just so selfish, caring only for your own interest and not for the people around you.
Example:
You can be the richest guy in the whole world, BUT you have no friends nor family whom you can speak and share your happiness with. Living in a big mansion facing all 4 walls everyday, is that the life you want?
Or Would you like to have friends hanging around you even though you are just a normal guy, having not much money, but you're happy and not lonely.
Think about it.
You still have a LONG ROAD AHEAD, don't be blinded by GREED.
Think Carefully - Friendship and Real Friends Cannot be bought with Money.
Those who stay with you now just because you have money are only MAKING USE OF YOU ONLY.
Likewise, company is only making use of you to find more people to place their money inside.
There are somethings that CANNOT BE BOUGHT WITH MONEY
Trust, and real relationship (people who stays with you even if you're broke, or is a normal guy) Only when you have fall down from your WonderLand of Greed, when the scheme fails, than you will learn to treasure this word - I look forward to the day whereby this fails, I will speed up the process, thus you will be able to learn. 
You can never ever earn the whole world's money.
Don't be a Slave to Money. Chain only to Greed.
If you know the facts, than meet up discuss than, why HIDE BEHIND?
Meet up 1 to 1, see who's facts are real, bear in mind, I'm an Ex-Agent who has the facts and details, whereas you're just a normal independent distributor that the company will not hold themselves responsible to whatever you said, since you already sign on the line in the first place when you pay for the project.
Even if you or the others NTI agents in this company, once you SIGN on the LINE, which is a MUST, the company will no longer be held responsible for whatever you said in the first place.
I however didn't sign, yet I do have a Emcom Account, much to I wish to get back my money (another inside story of why I realise this is even a bigger un-practical scheme; inside story which you guys will not even know of. I still have the past presentation slides of why I can enjoy such offers, interested to find out?), but I know it's better to share the facts and prevent more people from being tricked.
My conscience is clear, and I know telling the truth is better than lying to people just to earn that peanuts money which will not last!
I rather lose my money than let more innocent parties being tricked into putting their money inside. -
give me all your money and acquire priesthood?
hmm
come on be realistic, and the facts that u gonna show me a lot more pple have showed me[/list] -
again, proof of income thru tax statement pls
seems a company that markets itself cannot prove anything
not surprising -
peng!
i cannot take it, show ur birth cert to prove u are not a bot. and not form another company
he already show the account,
dammit i wasting time. what am i doin
i feel i have degraded myself to wasting time in this forum, i thus will not waste that much time here anymore, go find ur own entertainment guys,.. watch 9 pm show.. start already... -
like i said, showing account is not accurate
please dont evade by already saying people will say its fake
seems you cant prove, so you have to resort to such tactic
account is never 100% reliable, anyone can tell you this, an income taxt statement is always recommended
stop using birth cert as an analogy, coz its a poor one
a form signed by authority can never compare to a form simply signed by ownself
and if u keep thinking its a waste of time, why for the nth time you keep coming in?
typical u, cant keep to your words -
in short, if you cant produce a reliable piece of document, forget it
its tiring when you try to evade the issue
an annual tax returns statement is pretty simple to produce, that is of course you do declare your earnings -
for your information, the company doesn't send them the tax letter to file for income tax.Originally posted by laurence82:in short, if you cant produce a reliable piece of document, forget it
its tiring when you try to evade the issue
an annual tax returns statement is pretty simple to produce, that is of course you do declare your earnings
which is another weakness.
running a business with no income tax declaration letter.
so does it mean their are all trying to escape from paying Taxes?
Oops, again, another suspicious point.
lol, looks like the points never stop don't they?
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hmm, tax evasion is a serious crime, i am sure every adult knowsOriginally posted by the_fallen:for your information, the company doesn't send them the tax letter to file for income tax.
which is another weakness.
running a business with no income tax declaration letter.
so does it mean their are all trying to escape from paying Taxes?
Oops, again, another suspicious point.
lol, looks like the points never stop don't they?
lol
the only conclusion is this
a) they do earn large income, but they never pay tax
b) they dont earn, and cant meet the minimal income enough for them to be able to file tax
and we all know the minimal income (22k?) is way less than the amount of money they are purporting to be earning -
sad to say, the more i look at their friendster account, the more younger teenagers i see inside. they have as young as 17yrs old, some times you can even spot those in 16yrs old range, which is way below the legal age.Originally posted by laurence82:hmm, tax evasion is a serious crime, i am sure every adult knows
the only conclusion is this
a) they do earn large income, but they never pay tax
b) they dont earn, and cant meet the minimal income enough for them to be able to file tax
and we all know the minimal income (22k?) is way less than the amount of money they are purporting to be earning
oops, another suspicious pointer..haha..
thus they know nothing about filing for tax when they haven even step into the society yet.
as for the elders, most of them if not all are near/already in retirement age by now, thus they need not work, and can forget forget filing for tax again.
smart isn't it?
for them to earn so much money, yet they forgot the basic rule, whatever work they do, they will receive a tax letter at the end of the yr, since 05 to presently, i have yet to receive any letter.
strange isn't it? -
it raises the question whether the company keeps track of the distributors incomeOriginally posted by the_fallen:sad to say, the more i look at their friendster account, the more younger teenagers i see inside. they have as young as 17yrs old, some times you can even spot those in 16yrs old range, which is way below the legal age.
oops, another suspicious pointer..haha..
thus they know nothing about filing for tax when they haven even step into the society yet.
as for the elders, most of them if not all are near/already in retirement age by now, thus they need not work, and can forget forget filing for tax again.
smart isn't it?
for them to earn so much money, yet they forgot the basic rule, whatever work they do, they will receive a tax letter at the end of the yr, since 05 to presently, i have yet to receive any letter.
strange isn't it? -
They press a withdrawal button in the account to collect cheques and from this "pay cheques" they report their income tax,
the big earners won't be bothered with small fry here lah, their 1 month income u can only make in like 3-4 years? maybe 10 for those slackers
And in everything there will definately be a problem..
My windows hanged yesterday, shall i start a forum to condamn microsoft?
Please post the big pointers, not small pointers like "the manager look young and underage"
Please explain why this emcom project will fail, and why the company will stop giving the sunshine rebate of 12kus -
I know this reply is a bit late, but anyway, i just take a 3rd look and found this comment with some important points which maybe you can pick up something here. Here goes.Originally posted by Blue_jamzz:Hi fallen, I'm really sorry to hear what has happened to you cos I know in reality, those things happened and alot of people suffered from their past projects. I had heard of all those past projects he has before and had no confidence in them, thus I did not join any of them in the past.
I admit that when I first join the company, I was taking a big gamble due to their past records and wasn't expecting much. But with my buddy in it and making up to the management level in recent months, and also a close friend whom both of them had follow James Phang through all his past projects, I got to know why their past projects failed and why the 2 of them are still following him. They were not earning much and neither were they of any high position before this event was launched. But they respected him for something he did for them which most people in or out of the company do not know. I do see the potential in the current event base on the positive updates and seeing results of the company for the past few months.
Like you, this is also only my personal opinion and just for people reference. Regardless, I'll continue to keep this forum update of any good and bad news of this event. Cheers~!
Now he only have 2 left from the previous large group of followers.
And you said, none are being respected back in the past, so they of course didn't know the REAL TOP SECRETS, if they found out the real reasons, then they would already have left already. (Listening to a 1-sided story is just bias, u need to listen to 2 sides; but I doubt u have the chance)
Back in his prime, he's followers goes as high as more than 2 handful of people in case you don't know. But when now he only is left with 2? Take note that all those who left; they were all at least a meddium 5-digit income earners years back when they are still selling Products!!
Why can't he change back to the practical way of selling products?
Coz all businesses will conduct a background profile check on the partner first before co-operating with the partner. Thus he can only take the low-end products. (Businesses by which I mean those large enterprises with millions nearing billlions' revenue generated from the sales.
Just look at the products, not keeping up to trend, in business wise, it's lacks an appeal to attract customers.
Even he's right hand man, the person (course instructor) who taught PSC is with another company. He already left in 2005, and took a long break to recover from his health conditions.
If you know James.P background, then you would already have noticed, all his top leaders, those right & left hand man before 2005 in NTI have already left him. I'm talking about those people who really know their stuffs.
I'm not taking Jackie into consideration since he only start to gain his recognition in 05 when he became RSD, I'm talking about all his Uplines above.
You know why I'm able to know so much, and you guys can't even win me in terms of knowledge? Because I know the weakness in the education being taught inside. -Brush up on the foundation; if you know what i mean.
BTW: I highlighted the key point I hope u still is around to read this comment.