Originally posted by SoFunny:

So funny rite! haha !

joined belair since yr 2003.
after 1 yr of struggling i climb up to marquis and over the years till yr 2006 i have a big network with a few marquis.

I am the Jiang wor!hahahaha...
And yes i cut a lot of direct counts . there are my sch friends , uni friends , army friends, collegaue and even FAMILY!

And you are bloody correct 99% of them are in HUGE debts.

In everyone eyes, pple who are marquis and above are bloody suckers,villains.or what ever bad names you can gave us.

MArquis and above are Liars ,MARQUIS AND ABOVE ARE BAD!

Are they really bad? *Shiver* why shiver cos i will give a answer that i will kana flame

Believe it or not, some marquis are really suckers. I ADMIT.

How abt those that not in my some category?

Oh yes u guys are right abt one point. Most Marquis are in debt too.

I am one of them. COOL!

Wish a heart to help my downlines. I quitted my job to give my full commitment. I pay nearly a few k for those huobans who cant afford for their lessons.
YES i have no money in my bank but i still borrow ard to help them pay.

Oh not mentioning i got 4 direct counts who i never collect their franchise money.

They offer to pay but i tell them dun need. Marquis then pay

In yr 2006 i left belair. Left cos i got no reasons to stay anymore. Huobans only left 1 or 2 .

Finally i can leave I feel terrible. A team i spend years to build but gone overnight.
People start blaming each other.
Pple in belair blame outside. Exhuoban blame inside pple. whahhaha .

Are belairians all devils? Are Ex huobans all Angels.?

U answer yourself.

Oh finally why i mention "SO funny"?

Cos it been more than a year. People still cannot let go........

Live and forget..
Learn to let go....

Why there is still so much hatred?

Alot of marquis are NICE People. They dun feel sad?they are for u to scold?jus that they are 'lucky' to be marquis they are bad people?

ok ok enuff of my rubbish.

welcome to flame me. cos i was once a marquis LOL

My point.

Two words. LET GO

which is worth 2 cents

It is a good choice for you to quit.

Firstly, you have admitted most ppl do the biz go into debts. It's good to admitted. By quiting, you have stopped victim cycle from repeating. The more ppl being bring in, the more ppl suffer cos it is more like a pyramid scam then a biz. Now you have admitted ppl doing the biz don't earn $$$ but are mostly in heavy debt instead.

Secondly, we only pointed some marquis & dukes are really bad by using unethical means of achieveing their goals. But there are few who are not as bad(we did not say all are bad). As for what you mention that how much you sacrificed your $$$, only you knows. Maybe true or not, only you knows. I not against you.

Thirdly, i advise those who are still doing to do pure selling & refrain from recruitment. I am not against selling but recruiting count or whatever you call in Avita will only continue the cycle of victims. It is not that many of us hatred those Dukes or marquis so much, but they had not change. Still doing pure recruitment. You ppl had aware that ppl you brought in go into debts, so why still bringing more ppl?

Lastly, mlm has long being branded as a scam. Most of them are pyramid scams in disguise(i did not say all). Most ppl are also aware of such scams.
Everyone regardless of exhuoban or those still in the biz really needs to solve the debt issue together. I already debt free & start build up little wealth since i left, but there are still exhuoban or Belairians still in debt.

Do rethink when doing such pyramid scams, you might have harm more ppl.

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Words from me(ex marquis) is being doubt.
Words from ex huobans will be believed without any qns.

Shouldnt comment much more. (not against you too)
Jus how i feel.

The pains and sufferings were more than you could have imagined. Pyramid scams are serious matter and not SoFunny

If anyone chooses not to believe , it is because you lack empathy and postings were frivolous. Put it simply, I do not believe you are one of those NICE Marquises

I dun need anyone to believe.
Pyramid scams are terrible. I never been thru?
I am here to tell u all.

Not all marquis are fuckers.
They also got their own story which they chose not to tell or they dun feel the need to tell
Some is ren zai jiang hu sheng bu you ji.

Some suffer more than you all.
Some went thru more than you all.

Yes they pull u in. U guys found out not earning money u all chose to leave and flame them.

What abt them.?They earning money?They can say leave and leave like u all so xiao sa?

Some got families.Some got huobans which they jus cut.

Yes i bet u all will say since not earning money why still put other pple into trouble.

No doubt you all are correct.

Wait a min they also humans.Put urself into their shoe.
They have to overcome their feeling their responsibilty for existing huobans.
Doesnt mean u know something is right, u can prevent themselve from commiting more mistakes.
They have emotions too.

FYI i am not here to tell u all how nice i am as a marquis.
I am not the only marquis. I am jus here to tell a true story of myself.
Nobody is forcing you to believe me.

Ask yourself. During ur time in belair. Are really all ur marquis basterds?
None of them show SINCERE care show concern meh?

Anyway i dun need you to believe me.
My ex huobans most of them are still my gd buddies.
They believe me will do

Given this scenario.
Let say if there is a huoban now crying that this basterd marquis this and that. You all will DEFINITELY believe

Let say if a marquis come in and say how this ex huoban do this and that.
will u all DEFINITELY belive?

Ok i have finished what i have to say.

All the best to those still clearing debts and MERRY XMAS!

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I do agree with SoFunny that certain Marquis (who are responsible enough) will find themselves obligated to help new huobans that just ÇÐÅÌ, and especially those who were really striving so hard to achieve their goals. If I put myself in their shoes, I cant imagine myself to ÅÄÅÄƨ¹É and go.

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Originally posted by SoFunny:

I dun need anyone to believe.
Pyramid scams are terrible. I never been thru?
I am here to tell u all.

Not all marquis are fuckers.
They also got their own story which they chose not to tell or they dun feel the need to tell
Some is ren zai jiang hu sheng bu you ji.

Some suffer more than you all.
Some went thru more than you all.

Yes they pull u in. U guys found out not earning money u all chose to leave and flame them.

What abt them.?They earning money?They can say leave and leave like u all so xiao sa?

Some got families.Some got huobans which they jus cut.

Yes i bet u all will say since not earning money why still put other pple into trouble.

No doubt you all are correct.

Wait a min they also humans.Put urself into their shoe.
They have to overcome their feeling their responsibilty for existing huobans.
Doesnt mean u know something is right, u can prevent themselve from commiting more mistakes.
They have emotions too.

FYI i am not here to tell u all how nice i am as a marquis.
I am not the only marquis. I am jus here to tell a true story of myself.
Nobody is forcing you to believe me.

Ask yourself. During ur time in belair. Are really all ur marquis basterds?
None of them show SINCERE care show concern meh?

Anyway i dun need you to believe me.
My ex huobans most of them are still my gd buddies.
They believe me will do

Given this scenario.
Let say if there is a huoban now crying that this basterd marquis this and that. You all will DEFINITELY believe

Let say if a marquis come in and say how this ex huoban do this and that.
will u all DEFINITELY belive?

Ok i have finished what i have to say.

All the best to those still clearing debts and MERRY XMAS!

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I do agree with SoFunny that certain Marquis (who are responsible enough) will find themselves obligated to help new huobans that just qiepan, and especially those who were really striving so hard to achieve their goals. If I put myself in their shoes, I cant imagine myself to paipaipigu and go.

Hence, zai zhe yang de qing kuang zhi xia (ZZYDQKZX) I cant bring myself to blame my Marquis and direct upline.

I'm still keeping in touch with some of the ex-huobans and most of them who have cut 1+5, or 2+3 have already decided not to let this bother them and move on with their lives.

So huobans, lets not bear a grudge, lets look forward!

Thank you!

Originally posted by JiangBenXiao:

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I do agree with SoFunny that certain Marquis (who are responsible enough) will find themselves obligated to help new huobans that just ÇÐÅÌ, and especially those who were really striving so hard to achieve their goals. If I put myself in their shoes, I cant imagine myself to ÅÄÅÄƨ¹É and go.

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Originally posted by JiangBenXiao:

Ooops, my virgin post, didnt know cant display chinese characters

I do agree with SoFunny that certain Marquis (who are responsible enough) will find themselves obligated to help new huobans that just qiepan, and especially those who were really striving so hard to achieve their goals. If I put myself in their shoes, I cant imagine myself to paipaipigu and go.

Hence, zai zhe yang de qing kuang zhi xia (ZZYDQKZX) I cant bring myself to blame my Marquis and direct upline.

I'm still keeping in touch with some of the ex-huobans and most of them who have cut 1+5, or 2+3 have already decided not to let this bother them and move on with their lives.

So huobans, lets not bear a grudge, lets look forward!

Thank you!

We are not bearing any grudge, by "helping" new huoban to find victims to replace them is a selfish act. All exsiting huobans should stop recruiting victims into a pyramid scam. If they are still trying to continue recruiting ppl, they are becoming worse. They don't have to fake responsibility if no courage to leave. Even if they leave, they can still help their huoban to sell their goods.

Pyramid scams should be stop as it brought serious harm to many ppl. JiangBenXiao, i don't blame you as you are too brainwash & deceived by your uplines. You should also help to create awareness against pyramid scams.

Many ppl has suffer from such pyramid scams, if any of you still want to join, wish you good luck! None of the ppl joining such pyramid scams can escape from losing alot of money.

Last but not list, all of us are looking forward. We only want to ensure such pyramid scam cycle to stop. Wish everyone a happy new year!!!

I cant deny that I was "brainwashed" to a certain extent during that time, well at least enough for me to qie pan. Time flies, that was 2 years ago.

I believe when huobans joined, they wouldnt think that this will be an unethical business. It was only after joining that we learned of the tactics that were used on recruiting new members. I cant agree on the ways of recruiting new members and decided to call it quits; I do not wish to continue using the same tactics on my friends the way the tactics were used on me by my upline.

Was from AAA by the way.

Originally posted by warrior21:

We are not bearing any grudge, by "helping" new huoban to find victims to replace them is a selfish act. All exsiting huobans should stop recruiting victims into a pyramid scam. If they are still trying to continue recruiting ppl, they are becoming worse. They don't have to fake responsibility if no courage to leave. Even if they leave, they can still help their huoban to sell their goods.

Pyramid scams should be stop as it brought serious harm to many ppl. JiangBenXiao, i don't blame you as you are too brainwash & deceived by your uplines. You should also help to create awareness against pyramid scams.

Many ppl has suffer from such pyramid scams, if any of you still want to join, wish you good luck! None of the ppl joining such pyramid scams can escape from losing alot of money.

Last but not list, all of us are looking forward. We only want to ensure such pyramid scam cycle to stop. Wish everyone a happy new year!!!

thanks for sharing, seem alot of negative news surrounding this mlm company



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i agree with what warrior21 said.

My point.

Two words. LET GO

which is worth 2 cents

myself a CM and i quit using the disappearing act.... Up to date I still owe 20k to a friend...

For us those who have been in it and quit... is a painful experience for us...
GREED !!!! thats human nature... who doesnt love money when the money seems easy to make especially those starting to work and want to get this get that or those who love cars and want to own our own cars....

Having all those big dreams.... I was hoping to quickly recover back the money and believe that we are helping others to earn too....
Im one of the jiang that they considered... but after awhile of unable to meet the target of having people coming in... they will say you are not following the system... give 1st chance... 2nd chance and then consider as trash...

Burning mid-nite oil to plan to discuss... saying that our day job is secondary compare to the business.... If I didnt have a day job.... I wouldnt even have money to go hawker for a decent meal.... My health deteriorated when im in the business... I get small sickness easily like flu cough due to insufficient rest for the body and mind and it doesnt cure very fast... now that Im out... I have not taken MC for my current job for half a year and I have time to go for run, gym, cycling to keep fit.. They will say use the products to cure... Yar the products can help to a certain extend but the products are not shen yao... In the business I heard an upline get so sick and having fever till cant get out of bed... Did this upline use the product ?? If have shouldnt have fall till that sick... Body & Mind need to rest.. not max it out till like no tmw... They will say that I didnt ask you to stay till that late.... who dare to leave so early... IF leave early then will indirectly tell the uplines that the mindset is like working cos come late go off early thus wouldnt get any help... So if you are in the associate shoe will you leave early to rest as the day job drain you out??

I have no hard feelings for them nor I support MLM....
Just want to let go of this painful experience cos I dont know where to put my face if I even get to face those friends I approach and especially to my parents when I freshly join the biz telling them im able to let them go on a gd holiday till now I havent done so..

Read the whole forum on Bel'Air and Avita.... Im from FGN... From what I know Don bought a merc CLK and Shiyun is the 1 driving.... The Lim brothers bought a bungalow which they invited M & above for hse seeing... I dont know whats the method on how they bought the car and hse so I have no comment.. just for the info for those who flame them.

Where is this place they call Avita. Anyone care to share. I would like to see if i can learn anything from them. Thanks

Originally posted by SoFunny:

Words from me(ex marquis) is being doubt.
Words from ex huobans will be believed without any qns.

Shouldnt comment much more. (not against you too)
Jus how i feel.

Hi, would you care to share more with me? I would like to know the rise and fall. PM me if you are. I still learning and hoping to get into the right company.
Thanks

rise and fall?
There is a long long story.u can follow the first post from the thread belair all the way to the last post in the thread avita.

That shld be enuff?

Right company? My view is there no right company. only whether is the right time to enter and leave at the right time also.

then u shld be able to earn some money.

Originally posted by SoFunny:

rise and fall?
There is a long long story.u can follow the first post from the thread belair all the way to the last post in the thread avita.

That shld be enuff?

Right company? My view is there no right company. only whether is the right time to enter and leave at the right time also.

then u shld be able to earn some money.

Err... people here, including you, just described an unsustainable business model and the heartache that resulted.

People shared about the pain they went through. The responsibility they felt towards the people they pulled in.

Some admitted they were blinded by greed. That they lied to create the illusion of success so that it would be easier to pull people in just as their uplines did to them.

And you made an appeal. You said "look we all suffered. It's time to let go and move on."

And yet you say "there's no right company. only whether is the right time to enter and leave at the right time also."

You have absolutely no conscience. No ethics. You don't deserve an ounce of pity. I would call you the scum of the earth except that it would be unfair to malign the name of scum.

Fine, I can accept that you were perhaps conned into the business. Someone misrepresented the business to you and you were sucked in. Once you find that out; once you find out that you have to lie; once you find out you have to trade your friendships, and people dear to you for money, you should stop. Go demand your money back. File complaints with government organizations. Make recordings of what people tell you and keep in as evidence in case you need to go to court.

There is no right time to enter and leave. Maybe it's not you who will suffer. Maybe it's your downlines. Maybe it's your downline's downline. But you helped to perpetuate it. You contributed to the misery. But to you, that's alright, as long as you find the right time to get out and earn some money.

How many lives did you ruin? How many people bought into the illusionary dream that you presented to them. Sure people will move on. They have to. What other choice do they have? Yes, money can be earned back. But it takes time and there's pain. And in that time, what else has been lost?

And if it was just people who were greedy who suffered, that would be one thing. What about the people who loaned money and will never get it back? How many relationships are now broken?

There is no right time to enter and leave. If someone asks you to join an MLM, or any business for that matter, make sure you understand what you are getting into. Don't be blinded by promises that no one has any intention of keeping. And if you find that you have to do anything unethical; if you find you have to compromise on your principles and your ethics, just stop. Money is much easier to earn back than trust. A broken bank account is easier to fix than a broken relationship.

Unless of course, you don't value your family, your friends and your relationships. Unless of course you feel trust is worthless.

Originally posted by SoFunny:

rise and fall?
There is a long long story.u can follow the first post from the thread belair all the way to the last post in the thread avita.

That shld be enuff?

Right company? My view is there no right company. only whether is the right time to enter and leave at the right time also.

then u shld be able to earn some money.

If you enter in the right time, why would you want to leave? At least i won't if the franchise rights of McDonalds in SGP was taken by me. MLM is not a long term business? Pls enlighten me why not? Sorry if i offend anyone.

Originally posted by Phaze:

Err... people here, including you, just described an unsustainable business model and the heartache that resulted.

People shared about the pain they went through. The responsibility they felt towards the people they pulled in.

Some admitted they were blinded by greed. That they lied to create the illusion of success so that it would be easier to pull people in just as their uplines did to them.

And you made an appeal. You said "look we all suffered. It's time to let go and move on."

And yet you say "there's no right company. only whether is the right time to enter and leave at the right time also."

You have absolutely no conscience. No ethics. You don't deserve an ounce of pity. I would call you the scum of the earth except that it would be unfair to malign the name of scum.

Fine, I can accept that you were perhaps conned into the business. Someone misrepresented the business to you and you were sucked in. Once you find that out; once you find out that you have to lie; once you find out you have to trade your friendships, and people dear to you for money, you should stop. Go demand your money back. File complaints with government organizations. Make recordings of what people tell you and keep in as evidence in case you need to go to court.

There is no right time to enter and leave. Maybe it's not you who will suffer. Maybe it's your downlines. Maybe it's your downline's downline. But you helped to perpetuate it. You contributed to the misery. But to you, that's alright, as long as you find the right time to get out and earn some money.

How many lives did you ruin? How many people bought into the illusionary dream that you presented to them. Sure people will move on. They have to. What other choice do they have? Yes, money can be earned back. But it takes time and there's pain. And in that time, what else has been lost?

And if it was just people who were greedy who suffered, that would be one thing. What about the people who loaned money and will never get it back? How many relationships are now broken?

There is no right time to enter and leave. If someone asks you to join an MLM, or any business for that matter, make sure you understand what you are getting into. Don't be blinded by promises that no one has any intention of keeping. And if you find that you have to do anything unethical; if you find you have to compromise on your principles and your ethics, just stop. Money is much easier to earn back than trust. A broken bank account is easier to fix than a broken relationship.

Unless of course, you don't value your family, your friends and your relationships. Unless of course you feel trust is worthless.

+1 Well said
A product of Bel'Air: unethical and completely without conscience. Yet to learn his lessons.

The lack of basic pay drives you… The delusion of being able to “retire early” or “earn 6 figure earnings” would only instill greater greed. Sometimes this greed and drive inevitably turns to negative drive. The agents then begun to deliberately say misleading things, half truths, using unethical methods like trickery in desperate attempts to have more customers or recruit more people.

haha thks

did i say i wanted pity?read the 1st post till my last post.which post or which sentence told u i wanted pity.
i repeat again i am here to share a story that not all belairains are BAD!

2nd i was here to ask u guys to forget, LET GO! and MOVE ON!.
not to stay in the bad memories or history all of us have went thru.

3rdly some one asked me a qns on mlm. i chose to give an answer which i felt is the only way u can get some money in this industry. however did i say i agree or support?i jus gave an answer which i felt is the answer to the qns.

thks for the nice name 'scum' and etc.

That the point of coming forward to share and being flame.
I should chose and stay behind the screen and read instead.

yeah more flaming will come i presume. if that the case den cont flame if that make u happy.

Wow, long time didnt come see this thread :p

I agree with k2wanviet that the recruitment strategies used by Bel'Air (or AAA in particular), are unethical according to my own beliefs and perceptions on ethics. And I accept that not everyone shares the same views as I do, boh bian, just have to accept.

And in response to Phaze's reply to SoFunny, my view is that the statement "to enter and leave at the right time" is objective, unprejudiced. Ultimately, the choice to join or decline the offer, to join and to stay, to join and to leave is dependent on each and every individual's judgement.

Since I made the decision to AAA with whatever that was presented to me that I deemed favourable, I should be fully (or at least, partly) responsible for my own decision.

Now that I'm in, wah, so this is how AAA work.

I chose to disagree, I chose to leave.

My call, my responsibility.

Their new office is at 5 level of performance motor (BMW Showroom)

If you are invite down to attend cashflow workshop be careful, they are from Avita - worst group.

Be careful of Chris, Jean, Ronald and Don who cause a lot of people heavily in debts when they are with Bel'Air.

Originally posted by JiangBenXiao:

 

And in response to Phaze's reply to SoFunny, my view is that the statement "to enter and leave at the right time" is objective, unprejudiced. Ultimately, the choice to join or decline the offer, to join and to stay, to join and to leave is dependent on each and every individual's judgement.

You seem to have completely missed the point.  :)

Or perhaps I just don't understand what your point is.

Before I continue, I would like to clarify something. From this point on, when I use the word "you" or "your", I don't mean you JiangBenXiao. I mean "you" in the general sense.

The choice to join or decline the offer, to join or to stay, is every individual's decision. Each person makes his decisions as best he can.

But when a person is lied to, you rob him of his ability to make a decision. You are manipulating information to influence his decision making process for your own benefit.

The person is not able to determine what the right time to enter or leave is, because you have misrepresented the status of the company.

That makes you unethical. That makes you scum.

And like I said before, I can understand if you were lied to and conned. Maybe you didn't realise it was a pyramid scheme. Maybe you truly believed what you were told. You trusted your friend, or your family member to not do you harm and you thought you really could help others, and in turn help yourself. So you go out and recruit wholeheartedly with the fervour of a true believer.

I can accept that.

But once you find out the truth, you have to stop. So what if you have to help your existing downlines. That doesn't give you the right to pull even more people into the scheme. You cannot rob Peter to pay Paul.

So much things to say but it better to keep in the heart.

Else it going to be another ugly debate again. You mentioned pple might missed your point, have u wondered whether u did missed other pple's point too.

Flame others only when u read properly. Put urself into other pple shoes first before u call pple names.

PS: I not against anyone. Neither am i looking for any flaming. Just my views.

"Their new office is at 5 level of performance motor (BMW Showroom)"

I have been invited to there to some cashflow workshops, trend analysis and book sharing. I would like to know whether this is what u all have been discussing?

Beware of ppl from Avita. Those still operating in Avita's pyramid scam are : Ronald Lim, Don Lim, Tan Boon Hwee, Ong Kai Yang & Mai. Anymore of them, pls put up their names.

Hi, you ppl can also update the following forum which we created on awareness on cashflow workshop by Avita members:

http://talkback.stomp.com.sg/forums/showthread.php?t=38453