some pple r knowledgable on buddhism, as in studied and read a lot of books on buddhism, but is it the same as wisdom?

I have heard alot of pple expounding on buddhism, but I find they dun walk the talk, ie they talk, but little or no practise.

Originally posted by marcteng:

some pple r knowledgable on buddhism, as in studied and read a lot of books on buddhism, but is it the same as wisdom?

Knowledge and wisdom are different. We gain wisdom through the process of practicing and learning from experience.

Originally posted by marcteng:

some pple r knowledgable on buddhism, as in studied and read a lot of books on buddhism, but is it the same as wisdom?

I have heard alot of pple expounding on buddhism, but I find they dun walk the talk, ie they talk, but little or no practise.

well... not many pple can practice wat they preach.

to me, they r knowledgeable, but they r lack of wisdom n compassion.

Originally posted by marcteng:

some pple r knowledgable on buddhism, as in studied and read a lot of books on buddhism, but is it the same as wisdom?

I have heard alot of pple expounding on buddhism, but I find they dun walk the talk, ie they talk, but little or no practise.

how do you know some ppl dun walk the talk Without a divine Eye , u creating unnecessary karma for yourself

be aware of your speech , you could be offending others who will give you more obstacles on the path

because sunyata(kong xing) is not something, you can see, hear, touch, taste, smell...nor even think about!
transcendent wisdom is stop seeking knowledge.
it's something we All have. just need to let it go, and it'll automatically arises. like in the example of Master Hui Neng. u think He is knowledgeable in the first place? He is uneducated. but He got enlightened thru the phrase "yin wu shuo zhu, er shen qi xin", by mean of non-abiding, you arise the mind/heart.
after His Enlightenment, He can simply hear a few chapters of Lotus Sutra, and He's able to understand the whole meaning of the sutra!

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Spiritual life has nothing to do with how smart you are. In fact, being smart can be an obstacle. You can become proud and have more clutter in your brain.

There's another interesting story, about how Ananda became enlightened. Ananda was the only one left at the time of the first council of Buddha's own disciples who didn't become an arhat. He was Buddha's attendant. He heard every word that Buddha taught, and memorized them all, but he didn't meditate much because he was too busy. Some time after Buddha's death, there was a meeting of all the arhats, but since Ananda wasn't an arhat he couldn't go. So he kept meditating, trying at the last minute to become enlightened, and it got to be midnight, 2, 3 o'clock in the morning of the first council of Buddhist arhats, but still he couldn't make it, even though he was the repository of all of Buddha's words. All the other arhats wanted him to go, but he couldn't since he wasn't an arhat. Finally it got to be 3:45 in the morning, 15 minutes before the 4:00 wakeup call. Finally, Ananda just gave up and said, "Oh ********, I'm not an arhat." Then he got enlightened, because he saw things as they were. It was the end of the struggle. No more trying to become an arhat, and he became an arhat. Many Buddhist traditions teach this story. That says something to me. It eloquently speaks to being yourself, rather than to mere doing and self-improvement. It expresses clear vision, seeing things just as they are, rather than as we'd like them to be. It is a lovely, timeless story.

When I visited the place where that occurred, near Vulture's Peak, I was very moved and inspired. I felt, "I am just me, and I can afford to be just as I am. It's OK! Thanks, gentle Ananda, for your teaching and inspiration."
--Teaching by Surya Das.

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Originally posted by sinweiy:

There's another interesting story, about how Ananda became enlightened. Ananda was the only one left at the time of the first council of Buddha's own disciples who didn't become an arhat. He was Buddha's attendant. He heard every word that Buddha taught, and memorized them all, but he didn't meditate much because he was too busy. Some time after Buddha's death, there was a meeting of all the arhats, but since Ananda wasn't an arhat he couldn't go. So he kept meditating, trying at the last minute to become enlightened, and it got to be midnight, 2, 3 o'clock in the morning of the first council of Buddhist arhats, but still he couldn't make it, even though he was the repository of all of Buddha's words. All the other arhats wanted him to go, but he couldn't since he wasn't an arhat. Finally it got to be 3:45 in the morning, 15 minutes before the 4:00 wakeup call. Finally, Ananda just gave up and said, "Oh ********, I'm not an arhat." Then he got enlightened, because he saw things as they were. It was the end of the struggle. No more trying to become an arhat, and he became an arhat. Many Buddhist traditions teach this story. That says something to me. It eloquently speaks to being yourself, rather than to mere doing and self-improvement. It expresses clear vision, seeing things just as they are, rather than as we'd like them to be. It is a lovely, timeless story.

When I visited the place where that occurred, near Vulture's Peak, I was very moved and inspired. I felt, "I am just me, and I can afford to be just as I am. It's OK! Thanks, gentle Ananda, for your teaching and inspiration."
--Teaching by Surya Das.

Interesting story. BTW, where can we find more of such story, in english though, on the net?

TQ

Originally posted by fayans:
Interesting story. BTW, where can we find more of such story, in english though, on the net?

TQ

just stay tune?
you can read the archives here in this forum or other forum like esangha.
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?act=idx

normally, i read from other ppl's posting, then i take a note. i also remember from listening to dharma talks.

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we have one smart alec here and we know who he is isnt it.

he is the typical buddhist I am talking abt, talk alot, but dunno how to walk the talk. I really hit the nail, if not why is he so jumpy

Originally posted by bohiruci:

how do you know some ppl dun walk the talk Without a divine Eye , u creating unnecessary karma for yourself

be aware of your speech , you could be offending others who will give you more obstacles on the path

I remember Dr K Sri Dhammananda once said, a lot of people are writing /talking rubbish on Buddhism, who are you to say he cant say it.

I cant believe I am reading this, Divine Eye and so forth
You can be an entertainer, u sure have the quality to be successful

Originally posted by marcteng:

I remember Dr K Sri Dhammananda once said, a lot of people are writing /talking rubbish on Buddhism, who are you to say he cant say it.

I cant believe I am reading this, Divine Eye and so forth
You can be an entertainer, u sure have the quality to be successful

thats personal attack .. the more u attack the more karmic obstacle u bear

i not going to discuss with you

you are hurling abuse at no reason .whatever you do will echoes deep to your practice .

I am not interested to someone who doesnt even have a sick mother to take care and hurl abuse just like that

Originally posted by sinweiy:

because sunyata(kong xing) is not something, you can see, hear, touch, taste, smell...nor even think about!
transcendent wisdom is stop seeking knowledge.
it's something we All have. just need to let it go, and it'll automatically arises. like in the example of Master Hui Neng. u think He is knowledgeable in the first place? He is uneducated. but He got enlightened thru the phrase "yin wu shuo zhu, er shen qi xin", by mean of non-abiding, you arise the mind/heart.
after His Enlightenment, He can simply hear a few chapters of Lotus Sutra, and He's able to understand the whole meaning of the sutra!

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Yes. that means knowledge and wisdom are 2 different spectrum isnt it. Alot of those highly educated people are educated up to Masters or PHD, but deep down they are as ignorant, naive and unwise like the common people like you and me

Originally posted by bohiruci:

thats personal attack .. the more u attack the more karmic obstacle u bear

i not going to discuss with you

you are hurling abuse at no reason .whatever you do will echoes deep to your practice .

I am not interested to someone who doesnt even have a sick mother to take care and hurl abuse just like that

if u are truly applying what the buddha said, would you even be responding to this or take heart to what other people say, good or bad? where is your patience and tolerance here. You can talk alot on Buddhism, not even one iota in your practise I see, just like my friend, talk and talk alot on Buddhism to me, yet he tell lies and not practising what he preaches. I once sent him a card, advising him to practise truthfulness, then I have not heard from him since many years ago. He must have taken this as an insult I suppose

Originally posted by marcteng:

if u are truly applying what the buddha said, would you even be responding to this or take heart to what other people say, good or bad? where is your patience and tolerance here. You can talk alot on Buddhism, not even one iota in your practise I see

so i have cause your unhappiness and u wanted to get rid of me in the forum ?

i say apologise for the grievous hurt to you

May you be bless by the Triple Gem and well and happy

May you attain Buddhahood faster

Originally posted by bohiruci:

so i have cause your unhappiness and u wanted to get rid of me in the forum ?

i say apologise for the grievous hurt to you

May you be bless by the Triple Gem and well and happy

May you attain Buddhahood faster

No, but I find your reply quite hilarious and wierd. There is nothing for you to apologise nor I have anything to insult or tarnish you. I just write what I think.

Originally posted by marcteng:

No, but I find your reply quite hilarious and wierd. There is nothing for you to apologise nor I have anything to insult or tarnish you. I just write what I think.

I see

Originally posted by marcteng:

No, but I find your reply quite hilarious and wierd. There is nothing for you to apologise nor I have anything to insult or tarnish you. I just write what I think.

Go and ask AEN what i meant by Divine Eye .. it is a teaching in Mahayana

it seems that you admit you have no "ren yuan " or diplomacy and tact to talk to people on Buddhadharma

Please avoid posting criticisms of others in an open forum like this.

Originally posted by sinweiy:
Spiritual life has nothing to do with how smart you are. In fact, being smart can be an obstacle. You can become proud and have more clutter in your brain.

There's another interesting story, about how Ananda became enlightened. Ananda was the only one left at the time of the first council of Buddha's own disciples who didn't become an arhat. He was Buddha's attendant. He heard every word that Buddha taught, and memorized them all, but he didn't meditate much because he was too busy. Some time after Buddha's death, there was a meeting of all the arhats, but since Ananda wasn't an arhat he couldn't go. So he kept meditating, trying at the last minute to become enlightened, and it got to be midnight, 2, 3 o'clock in the morning of the first council of Buddhist arhats, but still he couldn't make it, even though he was the repository of all of Buddha's words. All the other arhats wanted him to go, but he couldn't since he wasn't an arhat. Finally it got to be 3:45 in the morning, 15 minutes before the 4:00 wakeup call. Finally, [b]Ananda just gave up and said, "Oh ********, I'm not an arhat." Then he got enlightened, because he saw things as they were. It was the end of the struggle. No more trying to become an arhat, and he became an arhat. Many Buddhist traditions teach this story. That says something to me. It eloquently speaks to being yourself, rather than to mere doing and self-improvement. It expresses clear vision, seeing things just as they are, rather than as we'd like them to be. It is a lovely, timeless story.

When I visited the place where that occurred, near Vulture's Peak, I was very moved and inspired. I felt, "I am just me, and I can afford to be just as I am. It's OK! Thanks, gentle Ananda, for your teaching and inspiration."
--Teaching by Surya Das.

/\[/b]

Thanks for sharing. Although the message carries invaluable advice, it is important not to mistake "seeing things just as they are” as "not forcing oneself to be more than what one is ”. Such ‘growing wisdom’ of teaching us how to deal with ourselves does not make Ananda an Arhat.

In my opinion, it will be more advisable to think that Ananda is pondering over a question similar to what Buddha had taught Bahiya in Bahiya Sutta that ‘in hearing, just the heard’. Ananda struggled hard to penetrate the profound teaching of Buddha, the meaning of Anatta. He finally realized the truth of anatta thereby freeing himself from artificial struggle. There is no Ananda to attain Arhatship. ‘In hearing, it is truly only just sound, no hearer’. Always so regardless of one’s depth of understanding, anatta remains a dharma seal, effortlessly so!

My 2 cents.

Originally posted by bohiruci:

how do you know some ppl dun walk the talk Without a divine Eye , u creating unnecessary karma for yourself

be aware of your speech , you could be offending others who will give you more obstacles on the path

Yo Brother

Please put your skills to benefit everyone here

What's the 4D and TOTO numbers for every draw for the year 2008?

Type it out in the thread

THANK YOU Brother!

Originally posted by sinweiy:
because sunyata(kong xing) is not something, you can see, hear, touch, taste, smell...nor even think about!
transcendent wisdom is stop seeking knowledge.
it's something we All have. just need to let it go, and it'll automatically arises. like in the example of Master Hui Neng. u think He is knowledgeable in the first place? He is uneducated. but He got enlightened thru the phrase "yin wu shuo zhu, er shen qi xin", [b]by mean of non-abiding, you arise the mind/heart.
after His Enlightenment, He can simply hear a few chapters of Lotus Sutra, and He's able to understand the whole meaning of the sutra!

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Indeed but do take note that "by means of non-abiding" is practice, "there is nothing to abide" is wisdom.

A similar question that troubled master Dogen -

“If human beings are endowed with Dharma-nature by birth, why is seeking enlightenment and engagement in spiritual practice necessary"

It is all due to our deeply rooted view of a 'self' that obscures our entire understanding. We are trapped in a subject-object dichotomy and the way it obscures our experience is amazing. We have to completely re-orientate ourselves by understanding the dharma, the seals and emptiness to see this truth.

Originally posted by Thusness:
Indeed but do take note that "by means of non-abiding" is practice, "there is nothing to abide" is wisdom.

A similar question that troubled master Dogen -

“If human beings are endowed with Dharma-nature by birth, why is seeking enlightenment and engagement in spiritual practice necessary"

It is all due to our deeply rooted view of a 'self' that obscures our entire understanding. We are trapped in a subject-object dichotomy and the way it obscures our experience is amazing. We have to completely re-orientate ourselves by understanding the dharma, the seals and emptiness to see this truth.

Concur! thanks for the reminder.

that say, "Enlightenment is when the wave realised that it's also the great Ocean. "

We can look at these three sentences from the point of view of the ocean and waves. The ocean is like a metaphor for Dharmakaya, emptiness, Buddha nature, or the absolute. The waves are an expression of phenomenal life, the way things arise out of emptiness.---Dogen's Genjokoan

can read more of the three sentences here:-
http://www.intrex.net/chzg/mel15.htm

yes, we still feel the push and pull of the tides to realise the ocean.

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Originally posted by marcteng:

if u are truly applying what the buddha said, would you even be responding to this or take heart to what other people say, good or bad? where is your patience and tolerance here. You can talk alot on Buddhism, not even one iota in your practise I see, just like my friend, talk and talk alot on Buddhism to me, yet he tell lies and not practising what he preaches. I once sent him a card, advising him to practise truthfulness, then I have not heard from him since many years ago. He must have taken this as an insult I suppose

bohiruci, it seems as per the last few of his postings, cannot apply even the tiniest iota of his wisdom and understanding to the problems at large in this world, not just to say about practicing truthfulness.

Originally posted by bohiruci:

how do you know some ppl dun walk the talk Without a divine Eye , u creating unnecessary karma for yourself

be aware of your speech , you could be offending others who will give you more obstacles on the path

Yo Brother

Please put your skills to benefit everyone here so that they can be rich

What's the 4D and TOTO numbers for every draw for the year 2008?

Type it out in the thread

THANK YOU VERY MUCH Brother!

Many many of them seem to be "superstitious " on Buddhadharma when $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is concern.......

Knowledge without faith turn one into icchantika...selling sutras or creating more "sutra".......



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