Seemed to me there’s an increased number of homosexual personalities raising in Singapore. Or the number was the same just that most decide to open up their sexual preferences?

its a sign of social evolution. i think the rising numbers indicate more people willing to come out about it, which is a good thing as it also indicates singapore society is maturing, even if rather slowly.

Everyone is entitled to their own choice.

Originally posted by laosu:

Seemed to me there's an increased number of homosexual personalities raising in Singapore. Or the number was the same just that most decide to open up their sexual preferences?

homosexuals should be condemn..

cos God made adam n eve

not adam n steve.

eh qing wen yi xia

how we know there is a rising number of gays?

sumone went to count?

Originally posted by boi86:

homosexuals should be condemn..

cos God made adam n eve

not adam n steve.

People who condemn against others such as u ought to be rebuked.

It's wiser to be merciful than to show condemnation. For God does not condemn and His mercy shall last forever.

Originally posted by The Emperor:

People who condemn against others such as u ought to be rebuked.

It's wiser to be merciful than to show condemnation. For God does not condemn and His mercy shall last forever.

Yes, and whoever has no sin shall cast the first stone.

FYI, even a stauch Catholic country like Spain is planning to allow gay marriage and parenthood.

Originally posted by HENG@:

its a sign of social evolution. i think the rising numbers indicate more people willing to come out about it, which is a good thing as it also indicates singapore society is maturing, even if rather slowly.

I guess try as much to leave out religions as it's a sensitive issue. I do agree that it's a sign of a social evolution. Homosexuality had surfaced centuries ago just that at current situations, more ppl are willing to come out of it.

Originally posted by laosu:

I guess try as much to leave out religions as it's a sensitive issue. I do agree that it's a sign of a social evolution. Homosexuality had surfaced centuries ago just that at current situations, more ppl are willing to come out of it.

Don't think you can leave out religion here. It's the bases for most people who don't think homosexuality is right. What other ways would you like to look at it?

From a practical (scientific) point of view, Homosexuality is no good either. Such a union does not contribute to the population. You're more likely to see a bigger gap in your age groups.

Social evloution, a little, yes. It also shows the results from the darker side of our society leaving behind moral ethics and values. Homosexuality is a result of social environments in many cases (i'd like to believe all of them but I know many would disagree). It could be just me but the people who I have met or actually known who are or have been or thought about being gays and or lesbians became so only after a traumatic event (plus gradual events leading up to), not so great home life (single parent, unhappy and fighting parents), stress or were rebelling against the 'strict social order'. I know some scientists have tried to prove that it's in the DNA but from my personal experience, I don't buy it one bit.

Now that everyone knows where I stand, I just like to add that no I don't believe in condeming anyone for whatever choices they make. Especially, in the name of God. He's the judge and well, none of us are part of the jury. It does say in the bible to love the sinner and hate the sin. For those who dislike gays and lesbians, show a little love. If I am right (which I think I am here *read above), love is just something that missing here.

From a practical (scientific) point of view, Homosexuality is no good either. Such a union does not contribute to the population.

So China is trying to control the population growth should encourage homosexuality. Singapore is trying to increase the birth rate, so should condemn it for the time being.

i think the point many are missing are that lesbians n gays are people who can love a bit more unconditionally

like my father told me: "god made a va gina to fit the penis perfectly, what for want to put the penis in the smelly asshole for shi tting?"

2 guys gaying is just so disgusting n i hate guys touching me my shatec class guys squeeze each others nipples n balls n always arms around each other n the indians touch my hand n waist n armpit WTF i beat one up

I've said it before and I'll say it again clearly.....

We have no right to tell people what or what not to do.....as long as it doesn't affect us directly.

I'm straight....and I've had gays approach me before. For some, they take no as no - I respect that. For some, they keep coming back - this type of gay I cannot tahan. But its not gayism that I'm against....its the persistent irritating ones which I can't stand (and it doesn't have to be gays....could be just a persistent insurance agent or something alike).

But you know what irritates me the most? People who throw the first attack without being provoked first......and who blindly try to preach their ways onto others using religion or whatever reasons (eg. clique mentality), and in the process try to elevate their own status.

Originally posted by gentlerock:

I've said it before and I'll say it again clearly.....

We have no right to tell people what or what not to do.....as long as it doesn't affect us directly.

I'm straight....and I've had gays approach me before. For some, they take no as no - I respect that. For some, they keep coming back - this type of gay I cannot tahan. But its not gayism that I'm against....its the persistent irritating ones which I can't stand (and it doesn't have to be gays....could be just a persistent insurance agent or something alike).

But you know what irritates me the most? People who throw the first attack without being provoked first......and who blindly try to preach their ways onto others using religion or whatever reasons (eg. clique mentality), and in the process try to elevate their own status.

ya those who dunno how to take no as a no who are irritating. be they gay, straight or bi or whatever, they're all irritating. and especially some people of a certain religion who keep pushing it and also dunno how to take no as a no. the most irritating sort of people on earth.

next time give them one tight slap then they know.

if incest is not allowed, how can homosexuality be forgiven? (just for the sake of argument)

Argument: if you are open minded and you are open on homosexuality, then you must be open for incest. For me, homo and incest are under the same category.

Originally posted by Glen999:

if incest is not allowed, how can homosexuality be forgiven? (just for the sake of argument)

Argument: if you are open minded and you are open on homosexuality, then you must be open for incest. For me, homo and incest are under the same category.

You mean under the grounds that open-mindedness on certain taboo practices be extended to all other taboo practices as well?

Hmmm

So if one is given the right to have sexual relations with one of the same gender, then whats stopping one from having same-blood sexual relations?

Originally posted by Glen999:

if incest is not allowed, how can homosexuality be forgiven? (just for the sake of argument)

Argument: if you are open minded and you are open on homosexuality, then you must be open for incest. For me, homo and incest are under the same category.

Er....I don't know if this message was directed at me, but if it was, my answer would be.....

I'm personally not open to homosexuality and not open to incest, etc. Its just that some other people are....and before we understand them fully, I don't think its right to use other people's lifestyles to raise a public ruckus, seemingly to gather support to bash them (trendy?).

In that case, there can be many things to bash others on....premarital sex, etc....which some people are guilty of (although they may be against homos). The list is never-ending, if we wanna find reasons to bash others on.

As an overview, I'd say to just let others live their lives.....while we live ours in peace.

Originally posted by Glen999:

if incest is not allowed, how can homosexuality be forgiven? (just for the sake of argument)

Argument: if you are open minded and you are open on homosexuality, then you must be open for incest. For me, homo and incest are under the same category.

What are you going to say next? That intercourse with dogs should be allowed?

To each his own

We must respect and accept people's preferences and personal life choices

the famous story of sodom and gomorrah.

Originally posted by iveco:

What are you going to say next? That intercourse with dogs should be allowed?

as long as it doesn't affect my life. I don't care.

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:

So China is trying to control the population growth should encourage homosexuality. Singapore is trying to increase the birth rate, so should condemn it for the time being.

You're taking my point all the way to outer space.

We all know why China has a population problem, it's got more to do with the male chauvinistic/sexist ideas of the Chinese culture. Give birth until you get a boy.

My point is that homosexuality is un-natural even from a scientific point of view. If it wasn't then male-male or female-female relations should bear 'fruit', should it not? Like I said, homosexuality is a product of society not nature. Look at animals without "social skills", you do see male dogs humping on male dogs, do you? Their function to reproduce wouldn't work very well, would it?

Originally posted by HENG@:

i think the point many are missing are that lesbians n gays are people who can love a bit more unconditionally

I think the only peoplle who can love a bit more unconditionally are the parents of the gays and lesbians who happen to be str8 or else they wouldn't be born in the first place.

Originally posted by iveco:

What are you going to say next? That intercourse with dogs should be allowed?

if the dogs agree to it(assuming this cna be proven) without coercion etc why not?