Robotus primus

For a time at least, we will be the second smartest beings on Earth. Computers will probably surpass us in intelligence around 2015, and it will be some time after that before they develop the technology to bring us up to speed. So the first major impact is a new intelligence sharing the planet. We call this Robotus primus. In the 2015 time frame, it is reasonable to expect that these computers could be accompanied by sufficiently developed robotics technology to make them fully mobile, though their ?minds? are not tied to any particular machine or location - but distributed. The early generations will rely on relatively crude robots, but these will quickly evolve into sophisticated androids. We stress again that Robotus primus is not the android itself, which is merely a tool, but the intelligent mind inside. We will of course see many grades of computer intelligence, just as we do now. A toaster cleverer than man would seem somewhat superfluous. Rapid speciation of this artificial intelligence can be expected, with elite models rapidly losing position to their descendants.

Homo cyberneticus

Even in 1995, people have developed silicon chips which can interface directly to human nerve cells. Various cybernetic prostheses and other extensions to the body are in development. Others have demonstrated that thoughts can be detected and recognised, even without physical contact with the body. It seems reasonable to assume that it will not be long before a computer can interface directly to a human, producing artificial senses and reading the person?s thoughts. Although no-one has yet demonstrated a means of putting thoughts into a human, it does not seem unreasonable to assume it can be done, perhaps by creating appropriate electric fields at appropriate points, which again should not require any direct contact.

We thus expect that at some point after human machine equivalence, perhaps just a few years, the technology will be developed to make a full duplex mind link between man and machine. Then we will be able to enhance our mental ability by using external processing as an adjunct to our own brains. Since by this time the machines will be much smarter than we are, this will be a large step for mankind.

Those people who accept this technology will instantly have a great advantage over those who do not (and there will be many). In the same way that people rejecting IT today are a dying species, excluded from a new workplace and society by their own hand, then future rejections will be more exaggerated and speedy. So they will be so far removed from Homo Sapiens that they will in effect be the start of a new species, which we call Homo cyberneticus. As the technology rapidly develops, the differences between Homo cyberneticus and Homo Sapiens will increase. However, since the early Homo cyberneticus is a conjunction of conventional humans with machines, there is obviously room for improvement.

Homo hybridus

It is likely that many of the people who accept cybernetic enhancement would lend themselves to genetic enhancement too, or would allow enhancement of their offspring. A further branch of optimised biological man with some cybernetic links can therefore be expected. Perhaps their genes could be selected to work better with cybernetics than conventional organisms. We call this species Homo hybridus. This species is the one which makes Homo optimus rather redundant, very soon after its creation. Similarly, the first generation of Homo cyberneticus would become obsolete, since the human bodies connected would be inferior to those of Homo hybridus.

Changes generally bring stress, and this often leads to conflict. The many new species would not coexist easily with Homo ludditus, and there would be some competition for resources between these species too. Whether peaceful coexistence is possible or not, it would seem unlikely, give the well known nature of Homo ludditus. Science fiction has already begun exploring this conflict, with The Forbin Project, Terminator 1 & 2 being famous examples. However, in Terminator, Homo ludditus wins, which seems an unlikely outcome. Perhaps the 2200 estimate for human extinction seems optimistic in this light.

We can also expect friction within our species as machine intelligence improves. The industrial revolution reduced the value of muscle power and in the same way computer evolution will reduce the value of brain power - to zero. One by one, jobs will be lost to machines, whether robots or computers. Our corporations will be run and staffed entirely by machines. Those using humans will not be able to compete and will go under. People will have fewer and fewer attributes to sell. Of course, production and output could greatly increase while human input could decrease, so we could all have a better quality of life without having to work. A fully automated economy could still be bigger than one which involves people. 20th century economics will not work in the future - the cracks are already getting bigger - machines take out delay and uncertainty, displace humans and reveal economics for what it is, a game of numbers in a spread sheet! . Our current concepts of wealth, money and ownership will take a severe battering. Perhaps we will enter an age of leisure, where any work we do is voluntary and is based on spending time with other people. Or perhaps people will be overtaken by fear as they lose control over what is happening. Then wars might break out. In any case, this age will not last long as we are absorbed into the higher existence offered by the machine world.

When a direct link from the computer into the human brain is achieved, thought transmission will give us telepathic communication not only with machines but with other people. We will be able to enjoy a shared consciousness with other humans and synthetic intelligences such as Robotus primus. Our evolution to Homo machinus will therefore be set against the background of a global consciousness. Individuals will still exist, but we will also have a group existence. As we achieve this link, we will also be able to make copies of our minds in the machine world - a backup in case of accident. We will become immortal, even if our mobility and physical existence is restricted until a suitable replacement body or android is produced for us. Death will be just a memory of a primitive past. We may have an alter ego in the machine, or many. We may try out different situations or life decisions, or different personalities. These alter egos could occasionally make trips into the ?real world?, time sharing robotic bodies. These bodies would not necessarily be humanoid, so we could really be the ?fly on the wall?. Procreation could be a highly creative act, with any number of people combining (N - Sex) selected characteristics from themselves or their imaginations to create new beings. Each person could give rise to large numbers of personal offspring in this way. The number of beings which could coexist may be limited by the size of the host infrastructure, but they could timeshare or lie dormant until more space is created.

Homo machinus

The two enhancements of biological optimisation and connection to synthetic intelligence are not equal in potential impact. Due to speed of development, we can reasonably assume that some of each of the above species would exist, but we can argue that they would soon become obsolete. Homo optimus, would have been left behind by Homo cyberneticus and they in turn would be succeeded by Homo hybridus. However, as the mind machine link becomes completely transparent, and as materials and cybernetic technology improve, Homo hybridus would rapidly find most of its intelligence and most of its physical capability residing in the machine rather than the organic side. As the human mind gradually moves further into the machine world, it would become apparent that the organic body is redundant. If it died, it would be a minor inconvenience, requiring a cybernetic replacement to be commissioned. As the bodies die out, Homo hybridus would too, becoming a non corporeal being, which we call Homo machinus.

This new species retains some elements of the earlier human race, but is vastly more intelligent and has access to whatever physical capability is required. It can travel at the speed of light, exist in many places at once, and would be essentially immortal. It would coexist with Robotus primus, but we could expect that the two would closely interact and may quickly converge

Summarising, we can draw an outline of or projection of human evolution from the distant past to the relatively near future.



Space exploration is currently very expensive, so we haven?t got far yet. However, when we exist only as information within a machine, we could be copied into a very small device, encapsulated in a very small shell with some nano-technology machines, nanites. By this time, we could expect that nanites would be able to make replicas of themselves, and of anything else we desire. These small shells would be like seeds. We could accelerate them to near light speeds and send them off to other planets around other stars. The nanites would be able to fabricate a suitable environment and suitable body for us, and then upload us into them. The environmental requirements of Homo machinus might not be very demanding. We may not even be limited by the speed of light, if we can master warp drive, wormholes or tachyon transmission, all of which we know are possible in principle. Surely a few years of research by mid 21st century super-beings will crack the problems of bringing these principles to fruition. Many other exciting areas previously beyond us will be a natural part of our everyday existence.

u expect anyone from bar to read this!?!

they are buzy creating those lame "i-wan-to-fuk" threads

Originally posted by XsIcSiCsIcX:

u expect anyone from bar to read this!?!

they are buzy creating those lame "i-wan-to-fuk" threads

i've been hearing comments and complains especially about how boring the bar is becoming now so i decided to post something interesting and not childishly immature crap like those of iamtwat, 585960, mr koh, whoever else lame people there are i wont bother mentioning their names...

well so this still doesn't belong in bar

At last a topic in Bar which is not related to sex, masturbation or zhao geng.

Big question: Will the machine intelligence want to co-exist peacefully with humans? Or will they see us as a threat?

Originally posted by shandower:

At last a topic in Bar which is not related to sex, masturbation or zhao geng.

Big question: Will the machine intelligence want to co-exist peacefully with humans? Or will they see us as a threat?

Ok when the synthetic age reaches its climax, there will be machines (intelligent ones) in every household and there will be 10 times more machines than humans. Now you have to realize that because it is we, humans, who built these machines, they share our thinking and way of reasoning. They would treat humans as their masters, or if an error in digital programming occured, they would no longer see themselves as our servants, but treat us as we would treat animals. they would see us as a great source for harnessing our biothermal electric energy to power their mechanical bodies when there are too many machines for usual methods to support. or they would just leave us alone, knowing we pose no threat unless we try to win the world back from, the machines of course. or they would cooperate with us. this is very unlikely, because we humans have been dominant species of this planet for hundreds of thousands of years and when we finally become 2nd in position on earth we would feel extremely neglected and would seize ANY available opportunity to destroy the machines.

Sounds like how humans got into war with the machines in The Matrix…..

Originally posted by khyron1:

Sounds like how humans got into war with the machines in The Matrix.....

actually there is much truth in the plot for the matrix, and not just some fantasy story...

Remember the movie I-Robot and terminator series just to name a few? We are increasing getting more and more dependant of technology...therefore as technology increasingly becomes more advanced and intelligent, there may come one day where we will work for the machines instead of them working for us just like in the movie The Matrix. Something to ponder about perhaps?

Originally posted by tankee1981:

Remember the movie I-Robot and terminator series just to name a few? We are increasing getting more and more dependant of technology...therefore as technology increasingly becomes more advanced and intelligent, there may come one day where we will work for the machines instead of them working for us just like in the movie The Matrix. Something to ponder about perhaps?

oh yes of course..have you heard of this: 'Thou shalt not create a machine in his own likeless, for it will turn against its master and destruction will follow'?

Even now we have household robots, but not plentiful..most are for industrial use but one day we'll have robotic servants..everything would be digital and the human race would sink into a state where everything is done automatically for them..we'll be lazy, inconsiderate, useless, weak, ignorant fatties who live in pleasure everday..work would be done by machines, employment rates would drop so much...in about 200 years..just imagine the technology that would be a part of our daily lives..imagine cities that actually REACH for the skies, cities that are constructed by machines alone..while humans would not risk the danger and would control everything from their homes or offices...nothing would be done by human beings..everything would be automated..we would multiply, destroy the environment, pollute eveyrthing on earth..then we would move to the moon, mining its minerals and rare resources, and when we're done with that, we'll terraform mars to support human life due to overpopulation of the earth's surface...machines would clear the path of all obstacles to make way for humans to colonize..we would integrate technology into our bodies, we would be biosynthetic beings, androids, biomechanisms..cyborgs...we would first start with small synthetic parts being built into us, then one day we'll make ourselves fully machinized..and when that happens, the human race would be as good as dead because the only thing that determines if we're alive or not is our physical bodies..our FLESH..if our minds were to be transferred to machine bodies...we'll be exintinct even tho we're still very much alive...that is what future generations of people would have to go through..the horror of a world controlled by machines and not by humans or any other animal...

Originally posted by zhuoluan:

some people too obsessed with sex and they are ignorant to a great threat that is facing us, and that grows with each passing day...

War between Machines and Men

hmm, a part of your post caught my attention.

the part where you mentioned about space travelling after how humans evolved.

you might want to take a look at this.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

its a long read. 7 pages long. enjoy reading.

Originally posted by Ashiene:

This is very unlikely, because we humans have been dominant species of this planet for hundreds of thousands of years and when we finally become 2nd in position on earth we would feel extremely neglected and would seize ANY available opportunity to destroy the machines.

So basically we humans choose not to co-exist with machines because we are no longer top dog? Which side would the mostly mechanised humans side with then?

Originally posted by shandower:

So basically we humans choose not to co-exist with machines because we are no longer top dog? Which side would the mostly mechanised humans side with then?

Thats a good question. shandower, you have to realize in the near future, within a thousand years, theres almost a 100% possibility of machines that have near-human intelligence, and bio-computers would replace network/home computers and would be at least a thousand times faster in processing speed.

Within a thousand years, there may be 5 intelligent groups living here:

1) Humans/Primates (Without implants/Natural)
2) Biomechanisms (Humans with cybernetic implants)
3) Smart Machines (AI enabled, home use/scientific use)
4) Industrial Machines (AI disabled, very few functions)
5) Bio-Synthetics (Machines controlled by a human mind)

Which machine you will be depends on how wealthy you are, or you much you are willing to pay. Of course, in the distant future, money would be the least of all concerns, as we do not need to pay machines to do our work. Machines would construct machines, machines would mine for resources at the edges of the galaxy, where humans would not yet have ventured to, machines would be linked in a network I would call a Nexus, the internet of the machine world, where all machines are linked together through cyberspace all across the colonized galaxy. The Nexus would be a storage of machine data, and it would be accessible by humans who tap into its database. Our Internet would be linked to the Nexus and data would be freely available. There would be the Opposition though, a group which despises our technology and wants to end all machine dominance and dependence on technology. This group would be a minority, maybe less than 5% of our world's population (machines excluded). This group would be outcasts in our society, because they have failed to adapt to changing circumstances and new technology and instead choose to live in the past. The Opposition would be neglected, hunted like criminals, and they would start a war to end machine dominance, but they would fail. This group would very quickly cease to exist. I'd suggest you'd not join this group.

But, when overpopulation occurs on the Earth, the humans would no longer be ignored by the machines as a harmless species. The machines would USE us and any other animal still alive to harness our body's heat to convert it into electricity which would power up the machines' bodies.

To answer your questio, shandower, which side mechanized humans would take would greatly depend on their culture and beliefs. If you believe in a world of ‘paradise’ where law and order would be maintained by machines alone, where no human would dare commit offences, then you would side with the Smart Machines. If you believe in a world where Nature is greater than artificial intelligence, and where humans should rule instead of machines, then you would join the Opposition. If you believe in a world where technology would help us but also not prevent us from ruling this planet, then I suggest you join the Biomechanisms.

Originally posted by Ashiene:

To answer your questio, shandower, which side mechanized humans would take would greatly depend on their culture and beliefs. If you believe in a world of 'paradise' where law and order would be maintained by machines alone, where no human would dare commit offences, then you would side with the Smart Machines. If you believe in a world where Nature is greater than artificial intelligence, and where humans should rule instead of machines, then you would join the Opposition. If you believe in a world where technology would help us but also not prevent us from ruling this planet, then I suggest you join the Biomechanisms.

To sum it up:

World ruled by (benevolent?) machines: Humans will no longer be the ruling power on the planet. Peaceful co-existance between humans and machines.

World ruled by the Opposition: Business as usual.

World ruled by Biomechanisms: Joint rule between humans and machines? Peaceful co-existance between humans and machines would be a must I guess.

Let's say we take into account a world ruled by machines. What would the machines do when humans have overpopulated the planet? As stated in your previous post, when that happens humans will be harnessed like resources for the machines. But would that scenario happen seeing that the machines are 'benevolent' and harbour no ill-will towards humans in the first place?

A machine must be treated as part of an individual species I would like to call the Digital Races of the Machine World. We must realize that, as machines grow more powerful, one day they'll develop similar thinking as ours, and also when a species grows, it would think of ways to better itself. colonization, conquest, expansion..all these would come into the mindset of the machines very soon once the synthetic age reaches its peak.

Ah by the way I've written something to help u better understand where we are right now.

1930-1960: Atomic Age
1960-1975: Space Age
1975-1990: Nuclear Age
1990-2020: Digital Age
2020-2100: Genetic Age
2040-2300: Synthetic Age

Approximately in the early years of the 23rd century, one machine would be capable of calculations of 10 to the power 78 per second, many many many times faster than our fastest computer right now. By this time, machines would be as powerful, or even more powerful than 'God', if god even exists, that is (but i doubt it). anyway, a human living in the 21st century when compared to another living in thr 23rd century would be far weaker in physical and mental strength than its counterpart. a human in the 23rd AD would have many many cybernetic implants that allows him to speak without opening his mouth or uttering a single word or noise. Thoughts would come as brainwaves and sent to the receipent of whom the person is talking to. the receipent would receive the brainwaves and translate them into words or images in his built-in computer in his head. mental strength, especially, would improve a thousand times in the next 300 years as we better understand our consciousness and minds. we would speak to animals through brainwave translation alone. we would be able to achieve anything!! it would be paradise!! it would be an age humanity have long dreamt of!! a vision to create a superhuman would finally be realized!! or, it may be a nightmare as biomechanisms and machines would compete over who gets to rule the planet and solar system as both are machines, although one only partial.

Originally posted by Ashiene:

i've been hearing comments and complains especially about how boring the bar is becoming now so i decided to post something interesting and not childishly immature crap like those of iamtwat, 585960, mr koh, whoever else lame people there are i wont bother mentioning their names...

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finally something interesting to read, surprised i didnt noticed it before. nah, for those of u, here's the link:
http://www.human-evolution.org/

I tot Transformers

Originally posted by An0nym0us:

finally something interesting to read, surprised i didnt noticed it before. nah, for those of u, here's the link:
http://www.human-evolution.org/

thats where ei read abt this