Discrimination Against Homosexuality
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Hi,
Recently I've read abt Churches are against homosexuality. Basically my feeling towoards what the church priest who are against them, I find it very wrong and not a professional way.
Gays are humans themselves and they have the right to be in this world despite some church priest or father who are against them. What they say that Homosexuality is a sin. They said that according to the bible, it's wrong.
First of all, according to christianity, all humans are sinners! Not only gays. Just because of government has open their doors to gays and they are unhappy. We should welcome them open heartedly not by treating them with discrimination.
Religion teaches us to harmonious not with discrimination. I find it quite sad that there are some people who treat gays as "Freak".
I would like to ask that how does ppl define Christian. -
homosexuality is wrong. There is nothing wrong with them..except they like the same sex.
But you will find that gays will not stop just yet only for recognition, they want more. Gays want to promote the gay lifestyle as cool thing to do. Do you get it ? once you have given in one inch, the gay circle wants another inch.
Here is what you get when you give in. America has allowed gay to have gay school. What does this lead to? You tell me!! A course to understand and learn about gays? or how to promote gay lifestyle to all pre-gays or how to enchance sexual pleasure with same sex? -
which bigot's manifesto did you read?Originally posted by chguy:homosexuality is wrong. There is nothing wrong with them..except they like the same sex.
But you will find that gays will not stop just yet only for recognition, they want more. Gays want to promote the gay lifestyle as cool thing to do. Do you get it ? once you have given in one inch, the gay circle wants another inch.
Here is what you get when you give in. America has allowed gay to have gay school. What does this lead to? You tell me!! A course to understand and learn about gays? or how to promote gay lifestyle to all pre-gays or how to enchance sexual pleasure with same sex? -
GAY ARE TEH SUXXOR FAGG0TS TO HELL WITH THEM AND BEAR OR CAT OR DOG WHOEVER KEEP SUPPORTING GAY STOP HIDING FROM FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE GAY BUT NOT ENOUGH BALLS TO ADMIT GAY SUX GG
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bear you dont need to read gay's manifesto. Its action is already big enuf for all of you to notice. It's happening in Europe, US, Canada, Australia.
I know about a gays group gathering in Holland V. to worship satanic symbols so that gays lifestyle is promoted in SG. They are there to chant whatever charm to the SG minister to open up gay lifestyle. -
on the contrary.. it was scientifically found that the most rabid of the gay bashers and homophobes were just surpressing their latent homosexuality...
it's called denial...
besides, maybe you'll never understand.. it's about personal rights... they take away your right to be a homosexual, what next? my dear IAMTWAT, they may take away your rights to be a wanker...
oh, btw, i think there is a law in Indonesia which says that punishment for masturbation is decapitation... why aren't you there fighting for your right to jerk off, jerkoff... -
I hope it will stop at hiring gays and no more. Homosexuals are not bad people. However homosexual is a sin. We hate the sin, not the sinner. So accepting them for their sexual deviation is good. Note that i said deviation, not orientation, because no person is born a homosexual. They must have been influenced by all-girls siblings or other stuff. They can be changed.
I hope this is where it will stop. No legalisation of gay marriages or gay activities in future. That's not accepting them for their sexual deviation already, that's promoting sexual deviation as a lifestyle. It is wrong. -
your sin... does it mean it's a sin for others?
why is it no one figures this part out... what people want to do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their own business... it is a right, not a privilege...
imagine someone saying that you cannot drink alcohol.. so much so that communion with bread and wine is forbidden... because consumption of alcohol is a sin for another religion...
don't think it's that far-fetched...
the majority must never vote away or force away the rights of a minorityOriginally posted by saintboy:I hope it will stop at hiring gays and no more. Homosexuals are not bad people. However homosexual is a sin. We hate the sin, not the sinner. So accepting them for their sexual deviation is good. Note that i said deviation, not orientation, because no person is born a homosexual. They must have been influenced by all-girls siblings or other stuff. They can be changed.
I hope this is where it will stop. No legalisation of gay marriages or gay activities in future. That's not accepting them for their sexual deviation already, that's promoting sexual deviation as a lifestyle. It is wrong. -
argh.. double post from the lag...
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Actually you are touching on the issue of whether there is an absolute truth to it or not. Whether homosexuality is a sin or not. If you don't believe that it is a sin, no matter what reason i give you will still think that its okay as long as you have the right to do it.Originally posted by the Bear:your sin... does it mean it's a sin for others?
why is it no one figures this part out... what people want to do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their own business... it is a right, not a privilege...
imagine someone saying that you cannot drink alcohol.. so much so that communion with bread and wine is forbidden... because consumption of alcohol is a sin for another religion...
don't think it's that far-fetched...
the majority must never vote away or force away the rights of a minority
Unfortunately i can't tell you why is it a sin. It is just against the way nature goes. A crude eg. will be: You don't see male dogs screwing male dogs right? So are we worse than animals? Its a question to ponder upon. Let's just imagine one day the whole of Singapore become gays and lesbians, just imagine lah. What will happen?
Then we will die of AIDS and under population because the abnormal homosexual relations does not give you a child compared to a heterosexual relations. You know what i mean? This is definitely not the way God has made it to be. -
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bear. maybe u should read the bible? u are a catholic after all. like saintboy said, its the sin tt plagues the sinner. we are all sinner, but we shouldn't encourage them to live like this, rather we should encourage them to find a way out thru prayer and councilling.Originally posted by the Bear:your sin... does it mean it's a sin for others?
why is it no one figures this part out... what people want to do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their own business... it is a right, not a privilege...
imagine someone saying that you cannot drink alcohol.. so much so that communion with bread and wine is forbidden... because consumption of alcohol is a sin for another religion...
don't think it's that far-fetched...
the majority must never vote away or force away the rights of a minority
homosexuality and hetrosexuality sins are the same. most of us commits hetrosexual sins, equally bad. help each other to gain victory over our sinful nature.
as for the reading bible part, God destroying sodom and Gomorrah becuz of their homosexuality acts kinda shows what is God's view of this particular sin. -
christian defination. people who are sinful who have been saved by grace.Originally posted by BLIM:Hi,
Recently I've read abt Churches are against homosexuality. Basically my feeling towoards what the church priest who are against them, I find it very wrong and not a professional way.
Gays are humans themselves and they have the right to be in this world despite some church priest or father who are against them. What they say that Homosexuality is a sin. They said that according to the bible, it's wrong.
First of all, according to christianity, all humans are sinners! Not only gays. Just because of government has open their doors to gays and they are unhappy. We should welcome them open heartedly not by treating them with discrimination.
Religion teaches us to harmonious not with discrimination. I find it quite sad that there are some people who treat gays as "Freak".
I would like to ask that how does ppl define Christian.
christians are just like you, sinful, and screwed up. but we hv grace, which is available to all of course.
in our beliefs. homosexuality is really wrong, i dun mean tt it is more wrong than normal sins, all sin is equally bad. but in the case of homosexuality, if christians cannot even stand up to what our God says, who will stand up? its true we shouldn't bash them up and stuff, but neither can we encourage them to just be like that. homosexuality is wrong, period. they should be encouraged to seek help instead of just being accepted. its hard to juggle both issue of accepting them as people, and telling them "hey, you've got a problem, you need help." so forgive us if we aren't tactful enough. but christians have a clear stand, Word-based christians anyway, that this particular sin cannot be accepted. the consequences will be very very bad -
i'd like to use this anology, say u, if u hv kids, saw yr kid fall down and cut his knee, and it becomes infected, would u just simply say "sayang, sayang, its ok, i still love you, u're accepted" or would u say that sentence, AND also clean up his wound? the process of cleaning the wound will hurt, those who hv scraped knees will know, but u know its for the child's own good. of course christians would find it hard to be tactful and firm about their faith together. but basically this anology is how we see it.
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any other christian issues tt can be cleared up here? misunderstanding and stuff?
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Most Christians are absolutely sure that they are absolutely right. Their faith cannot be challenged.
Afraid of sin? Afraid of homosexuals taking over? Want to save homosexuals? Want to stop homosexuality?
Have faith. -
most christians are absolutely sure that the bible is absolutely right, so far it hasn't been wrong at all. we dun place our faith in ourselves, rather we place our faith in what God has spoken.Originally posted by Icefalcon:Most Christians are absolutely sure that they are absolutely right. Their faith cannot be challenged.
Afraid of sin? Afraid of homosexuals taking over? Want to save homosexuals? Want to stop homosexuality?
Have faith.
afraid of sin? hmm... most of us find sin lovely, hard to resist, but yet we are asked to hate it to hv nothing to do with it.
we're not afraid of homo taking over, not homos themselves anyway. since like u said, they are still people. but yes we worry about the consequences later on.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=genesis+19&version=NIV
read this passage.
save the homosexuals, yea, stop the desease, yea. -
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it IS un-naturalOriginally posted by fader:my take on this is that there is no right or wrong. but homosexuality is unnatural and therefore shouldn't be accepted. normal male and females can have sex with each other naturally and reproduce. homosexuals have unnatural sex with each other and cannot reproduce. if that is the case, wouldn't that mean a declining birth rate?
many would say this is a question of mindset. and i agree totally. however, why should we change our mindset instead of them changing their behaviour? if a person does something funny in his house and doesn't want others to see, why should his neighbours close their curtains? he should close his.
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I do not believe that the bible can be taken literally, word for word. Therefore, its intepretation is up to the reader. As nobody thinks the same way, whenever anyone quotes the bible to me, I listen, but I do not comment.
I do not believe homosexuality itself is wrong. It, too is a kind of love, and caring for others.
It is hard to agree on what sin is, so I shall not comment on that. However, when I think about it carefully, I feel that it is wrong to deliberately harm yourself or others. (Note that I'm not saying everything else is right.) Now, I do not believe homosexuals are harmful, or will do anything wrong to me. They can't even have children, therefore, they will always be in the minority. Therefore, they do not bother me, and I do not bother them, or go out of my way to bother them.
Why do I defend them? Well, I'm not too sure myself. I'm straight, in case anyone's wondering.
Maybe I just feel that it's wrong to bother people who have done nothing wrong to us, except that they're different.
I have heard that homosexuals "undermine society's moral fabric". Well, I feel that there is nothing to undermine.
All immorality springs from ourselves. Nobody can make you change your mind about anything, as long as you are strong enough not to give in to peer pressure. No one can make me gay, because I prefer ladies, and no one can make me smoke or take drugs because I know that they will harm me and people around me. In fact, smokers cause more harm to people around them than gays, I don't hear anyone reacting the same way to smokers.
However, all this is my own, personal views, which I have come to, after careful thought, and thinking things out. I have no bible to quote from, but I hope I have presented my views in a logical, reasonable fashion.
I conclude by saying that homosexuals should be left alone. They do not harm the society. -
Homosexuality IS unnatural. So is surgery. I have yet to see someone say "Surgery is unnatural, therefore, I shall die, instead of going for surgery, since I am destined to." Surgery is accepted. Therefore, I feel that "unnatural" is an invalid argument.Originally posted by fader:my take on this is that there is no right or wrong. but homosexuality is unnatural and therefore shouldn't be accepted. normal male and females can have sex with each other naturally and reproduce. homosexuals have unnatural sex with each other and cannot reproduce. if that is the case, wouldn't that mean a declining birth rate?
many would say this is a question of mindset. and i agree totally. however, why should we change our mindset instead of them changing their behaviour? if a person does something funny in his house and doesn't want others to see, why should his neighbours close their curtains? he should close his.
I do not believe that everyone around us are homosexuals, therefore, there will be no declining birth rates.
When I see something on TV that I do not like, I switch channels. -
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surgery is used when it comes to life and death. i don't see why you are comparing these two issues together?
I am comparing them together because you used the word "unnatural". Surgery saves lives, and therefore, blooms Earth's population beyond what it is "natural". I have nothing against surgery - I'm just pointing out a fact.what research is there that gays are researched on and proven o help the society.
There is no such research that I know of. But I feel that homosexuals can benefit society just like you and me. I do not believe that being homosexual makes one unable OR unwilling to contribute to society.
Yes, it will cause a decline. The fact that the government needs to dictate our sexual habits must be a constant source of amusement to other countries - but I feel it is necessary. Surgery means more lives. Homosexuality means less lives. I think surgery saves more lives than what is lost by homosexuality, so it does balance out, in favor of surgery.
I'm sure we'd prefer it if everyone were heterosexual. I agree that we should accept homosexuality, but I do not see the need to encourage it, NOR do I see the need to condemn homosexuals. As mentioned somewhere above, homosexuals are just like you and me, except that they like those of their own gender.
Homosexuality IS fine, but I would not encourage it. I agree that acceptance isn't approval either. Singapore accepts smokers - but it does not approve them. And I'm sure you agree that smokers do more harm than homosexuals.
Homosexuals are discriminated. Smokers are discriminated too, in fact, publicly discriminated with signs and such. However, I do not believe homosexuals should be discriminated. They do not harm society in any major way. As for declining birth rates... I agree that they cannot contribute in that manner.
I do not believe that homosexuals should be discriminated. They should be accepted, but we should not encourage others to be homosexual.[/b] -
you guys don't get it do you?
it is a sin to me.. does it make it a sin to a person who does not share my faith?
read the 1st commandment... does it mean i must discriminate everyone who is a Taoist, Hindu, Animist, Buddhist, Wiccan, Agnostic, Atheist... the list goes on....
i have friends who are a lot of these.. do i tell them that i will not help them if they are in trouble because i do not share their faith?
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i tink its more of rejectn.. not reali discriminatn.. e public jus refuse 2 accept that sucha grp of pple actuali do exist..