Toyota Vios or Hyundai Getz?
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buy lancer. few k more than vios onli. dnt buy vios. thailand cars are realli lousy. forget abt it and go for a jap made lancer. u will regret when u get a thailand car. and e korean car u considering is a lousy fuel guzzler too.. forget abt that too.
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Define lousy.Originally posted by jonathan_n80:buy lancer. few k more than vios onli. dnt buy vios. thailand cars are realli lousy. forget abt it and go for a jap made lancer. u will regret when u get a thailand car. and e korean car u considering is a lousy fuel guzzler too.. forget abt that too.
Cosmetic wise Vios might lose out as I myself have some issues with the leather coming off at the rear passenger door, but go down to BM, complain a bit, and they will fix it for u. Same goes for my bodykit.
Engine wise, I believe VVTi beats CVT in the long run. Not too sure about the technical details. Perhaps those experts can care to comment on this? -
Buy GETZ cos all of atrocities commited by Jap During WW II boycot japanese products!!
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I feel dizzy too, as a rear passenger. Maybe it is sometime to do with the driver. He only start driving regularly recently.Originally posted by Larry:A bit tight, but not to the extent of getting dizzy while driving in one......
But cos most of the time the car only sits 2 people (me and my wife), its rather comfy.
My vote goes to Vios though. Til now, Vios's FC is always about 3-4km/L better than Getz. The fuel savings could easily offset the more expense up-front payment. Plus the boot is definitely bigger than Getz. -
Will have to check with my rear passengers, if I have any to come.Originally posted by wbucket:I feel dizzy too, as a rear passenger. Maybe it is sometime to do with the driver. He only start driving regularly recently.
My vote goes to Vios though. Til now, Vios's FC is always about 3-4km/L better than Getz. The fuel savings could easily offset the more expense up-front payment. Plus the boot is definitely bigger than Getz.
I have to admit that the rear cabin is not really that big, from what I can see. The only thing that interests me is the FC. -
should consider the new Swift 1.5 .. saw a black one yesterday .. super chio!
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Wouldn't by any chance be this one? Black SwiftOriginally posted by seancannot:should consider the new Swift 1.5 .. saw a black one yesterday .. super chio! -
Sleek.
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Get a car that best suits your budget,
And then.......... your personality. Can't imagine a 25 yrs old driving a jaguar. for example................. maybe a SLK, haha.....
Or if you are a very cheerful person, for for cars with very cheerful color like bright red, yellow etc.......... -
FYI, Mitsubishi is having financial problems recently... and DaimlerChrysler had let go of the company... so despite it's japan made, it's not neccessary a safe choice.Originally posted by jonathan_n80:buy lancer. few k more than vios onli. dnt buy vios. thailand cars are realli lousy. forget abt it and go for a jap made lancer. u will regret when u get a thailand car. and e korean car u considering is a lousy fuel guzzler too.. forget abt that too.
Toyota is still strong and growing, and certainly they had invested their technology in Thailand... And Hyundai is growing globally too... look at Hyundai and KIA's latest products...
for Getz, guess the 1.6 one is ok right (regarding fuel comsumption)? cos for 1.3 model it could be underpowered, hence drinking more fuel... but for this i really not sure cos i havent know ant Getz owners yet....
Btw, the interior space of Vios is quite ok. The headroom is slightly low, but still acceptable (some other cars are much worse). It could feel small cos it's not as airy and bright as the Altis's. Standand of cabin build is decent. -
I dont know about the quality of Vios. What I do believe that there are some hypes about Toyota realiability these days especially the Thailand made Vios and Altis.
So far ... this is what I observe from my friend driving a Jap made Corolla, a Thai made Vios and Altis.
Jap made Corolla, factory fitted interiors with real leathers seats. Driving more than 3 years and so far so good.
Vios. Heard from Friend that his Dashboard pop up and some issues with seats and such. Complaining about some built quality. Driving for slightly more than a year.
Altis. Initially the engine is quiet and nice. After slightly more than a year, the engine is getting louder even with Full-Sync and constant service? Plus another friends who had problem with new batch of altis - dropping bodykits, leather seat problem (Suspect it is Syntheic Leather, not real leather) like the skin of leather start to wear out just a few week even with leather lotion being applied and some other build problems.
Heard that Altis comes in Singapore basic and that the leather seats and most interior is assemble in Singapore. The service personnel in BM suspect to be outsource personnel thus the ease of changing stuff here and there.
As said, the quality of Thai Made cars is not know till the car in Singapore is driven (heavily driven like 50km to 70km per day) for 3 years.
I truely believe that Jap made Toyota would still be better choice than a Thai made. Anyway .. BM is making even more $$$ selling Altis than Jap-made Toyota Corolla.
Anyway .... I chose Nissan instead of Toyota as even though for the budget I brough the Nissan, I could easily get a 1.8L Altis but then ... It is the built quality that I prefer Nissan (Made in Japan) than Altis. Plus the Nissan specs is better than Toyota.
Cheers....
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From my own observation.
Hyundai built quality is improving by leap and bound. Kia is partly owned by Hyundai and have seen improvement too.
Given another year or so .. I guess that they could easily match Toyota and other fame car manufacturer.
FYI, Toyota is desperately outsourcing more of their parts to manufacturer outside China for cost cutting. I check out my friends altis and his plastic moulding in his car is softer than mine .... -
"""FYI, Mitsubishi is having financial problems recently... and DaimlerChrysler had let go of the company... so despite it's japan made, it's not neccessary a safe choice.
Toyota is still strong and growing, and certainly they had invested their technology in Thailand... And Hyundai is growing globally too... look at Hyundai and KIA's latest products...
for Getz, guess the 1.6 one is ok right (regarding fuel comsumption)? cos for 1.3 model it could be underpowered, hence drinking more fuel... but for this i really not sure cos i havent know ant Getz owners yet....
Btw, the interior space of Vios is quite ok. The headroom is slightly low, but still acceptable (some other cars are much worse). It could feel small cos it's not as airy and bright as the Altis's. Standand of cabin build is decent"""
well who realli care abt mitsu is being aquired by some other company or wat coz e nitsu company is still goin to be a mitsu and not close down. try buyin a thailand built car and drive for some time. u will understand wat i am tryin to say. we are talkin abt buyin cars here and not buyin shares. thanx for keepin to e thread. -
definately agree.. jus look at e recent motor show in thailand. so many ppl complaing abt their thai built car . if anyone here does read e newspaper.Originally posted by Dracoblu:I dont know about the quality of Vios. What I do believe that there are some hypes about Toyota realiability these days especially the Thailand made Vios and Altis.
So far ... this is what I observe from my friend driving a Jap made Corolla, a Thai made Vios and Altis.
Jap made Corolla, factory fitted interiors with real leathers seats. Driving more than 3 years and so far so good.
Vios. Heard from Friend that his Dashboard pop up and some issues with seats and such. Complaining about some built quality. Driving for slightly more than a year.
Altis. Initially the engine is quiet and nice. After slightly more than a year, the engine is getting louder even with Full-Sync and constant service? Plus another friends who had problem with new batch of altis - dropping bodykits, leather seat problem (Suspect it is Syntheic Leather, not real leather) like the skin of leather start to wear out just a few week even with leather lotion being applied and some other build problems.
Heard that Altis comes in Singapore basic and that the leather seats and most interior is assemble in Singapore. The service personnel in BM suspect to be outsource personnel thus the ease of changing stuff here and there.
As said, the quality of Thai Made cars is not know till the car in Singapore is driven (heavily driven like 50km to 70km per day) for 3 years.
I truely believe that Jap made Toyota would still be better choice than a Thai made. Anyway .. BM is making even more $$$ selling Altis than Jap-made Toyota Corolla.
Anyway .... I chose Nissan instead of Toyota as even though for the budget I brough the Nissan, I could easily get a 1.8L Altis but then ... It is the built quality that I prefer Nissan (Made in Japan) than Altis. Plus the Nissan specs is better than Toyota.
Cheers.... 
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In most of the scenario where manufacturer shift their production from a High-cost country to a lower cost country. The quality of the production will sure dropped and it is their marketing department that requires to fixed this problem by saying the lower-cost country have the same or better facilities and very good QA controls over the high cost country. Thus the quality shouldnt dropped at all.
But if this is the case, why the Made in Thailand ford, vios, city, soluna all have pple complains about built problems?
Another thing to note:
1. If Thailand facilities is better than Japan as what Toyota states. Y Toyota branded exports cars like Vios, Corolla Altis, Camry manufacture in Thailand whereas the Lexus branded exports cars are manufacture in Japan??
Does that means Lexus built quality is slightly inferior than Thailand made as the facility is not as good??
Wonder ..... just a cents for thought.
As far as I know where I worked with Thailand counterpart before, their skilled workers is not as skilled as folks in Japan. Labour is cheap but doesnt mean quality is there.
But then again, that doesnt mean their quality wouldnt improves but just donno when.
I do notice something too about Vios that the plastic they used is no longer as good as those found in Japan made Toyotas. Whereas, Hyundai for the new series of cars, I found that their interior is getting better. Korean made stuffs doesnt mean more inferior than other countries.
In summary, I found that Toyotas are making more $$$ selling Thailand made cars than cars manufacture in Japan mainly
1. Cheaper Land
2. Cheaper Labour
3. Cheaper parts (They say parts are from Japan but I seriously doubt that is all Parts - some parts could be from China or local Thailand)
4. Selling Price still almost the same -
Slowly, Japan is starting to realise that cheap and quality doesn't mix. I previously worked in a re-nown Japanese company and I am not impress at all about how the Japanese managed the locals in cheaper countries.Originally posted by Dracoblu:......
1. Cheaper Land
2. Cheaper Labour
3. Cheaper parts (They say parts are from Japan but I seriously doubt that is all Parts - some parts could be from China or local Thailand)
4. Selling Price still almost the same
Now a few companies are escaping from China for piracy issue. But some are still sinking deeper into their "low cost" project which in term might cost them more. Guess time will tell. -
Well ... in most company and majority of the company. The top management only sees cost as number, revenue as numbers and all about numbers and figure and meeting the profits, growth of what expected of the board, investors, share holders and market.Originally posted by wbucket:Slowly, Japan is starting to realise that cheap and quality doesn't mix. I previously worked in a re-nown Japanese company and I am not impress at all about how the Japanese managed the locals in cheaper countries.
Now a few companies are escaping from China for piracy issue. But some are still sinking deeper into their "low cost" project which in term might cost them more. Guess time will tell.
The intangible benefits of better quality, reliability, customer satisfaction and etc is often been trade off when cost cutting projects or measures are in place.
Even staffs happiness, job satisfaction, productivity and etc are often not been traded-off. -
Actually some Japanese company already realise it. I heard a few industry bringing there production back to Japan......think getting a little off topic here.Originally posted by Dracoblu:Well ... in most company and majority of the company. The top management only sees cost as number, revenue as numbers and all about numbers and figure and meeting the profits, growth of what expected of the board, investors, share holders and market.
The intangible benefits of better quality, reliability, customer satisfaction and etc is often been trade off when cost cutting projects or measures are in place.
Even staffs happiness, job satisfaction, productivity and etc are often not been traded-off.
Coming back. Pay for what you can offer. It quality is reall important to you, just all means go for the Japan made cars. I think the whole range of Suzuki is still Japan made right. So far my friend's swift is quite OK. So is my Kelisa. Like I said, time will tell. -
Maybe u could also take a look in terms of FC...