Keep Left Unless Overtaking. How reliable?
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I bet most guys here have seen this sign on the expressway all the time. but the problem is the speed limit is 90km/h(presume) . And when your overtaking and it requires you to exceed the limit, so does overtaking with speed above it wrong? what a confusing situation. what say you guys?
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You are safe to overtake the vehicle infront if you are 20km/h faster ...
So if on a 90km/h road ... the vehicle infront must be travelling at the speed of around 70km/h ... This way , you wont be speeding ...
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theoretically, in traffic science, there will not be any jam or the need to use the overtaking lanes if all vehicle travelling on the highways are driven at the same speed.
the problem in many countries, including singapore, is that heavy vehicles and pickup, vans, are given a speed limit, and limited to a single lane. That is usually the root of traffic congestion. -
do u all know, it wrong to stay on the 1st lane @ 90km/h when a car coming @ a higher speed, u must let him pass....
if not, it consider road hogging... so many singaporeans dun understand, all 90km/h @ 1st lane think they are correct. -
That's why they are horrible drivers on the NS Highway. They think they have the right to take the 1st lane and cruise all the way.Originally posted by TRD_Sport_M:do u all know, it wrong to stay on the 1st lane @ 90km/h when a car coming @ a higher speed, u must let him pass....
if not, it consider road hogging... so many singaporeans dun understand, all 90km/h @ 1st lane think they are correct. -
hmmm...
if the car on the 2nd lane is travelling at 90km/h, and i want to overtake i can go to 110km/h on the 1st lane?
then can i stay at that speed and keep continue overtaking other cars?? -
can...just remember to smile at the cameras...if you know what i mean.
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WRONG WRONG WRONG, u guys are wrong. The person have the right to travel 90 on the right lane. Anyone speeding past 90 to overtake is considered speeding.
Road hogging only occur when you drive below the speed limit and are blocking other users.
TP got reply to one of forum brothers on this before. I can't find the post, but I read it. Although they try to be ambiguous, it indicate that there is no offence if travelling 90 on rite lane, however, a speeding offence occurs if anyone go over the road limit.
Their reply was sumtin like tat
" A road user travelling within or at the speed limit of a certain road is not guilty of any traffic offence."
then
" If another road user exceeds the speed limit under any circumstances, whether overtaking or not, he is guilty of a speeding offence"
Although they did mention something about it is encouraged that users only use the right lane to overtake. But I don't think its a law that says right lane is STRICTLY for overtaking.
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Smart Mr Guitarman, do you for one minute expect the TP to say that its fine for you to overtake a vehicle travelling at 90kmh on lane 2? Won't they be implying that its ok to speed? I thot this was explained in the other thread...
Its all about courtesy, move to the left if there is a faster vehicle. -
Well, there's the law and there's our perception of the law. By courtesy, we should not hog the right lane. But if ppl wanna talk about "Who's RIGHT", then the guy travelling 90 kmh on right lane has done no wrong. He's juz inconsiderate.Originally posted by dansplace:Smart Mr Guitarman, do you for one minute expect the TP to say that its fine for you to overtake a vehicle travelling at 90kmh on lane 2? Won't they be implying that its ok to speed? I thot this was explained in the other thread...
Its all about courtesy, move to the left if there is a faster vehicle.
Inconsiderate doesn't make the person wrong. We shouldn't be giving other road users wrong info like "Can!! Can overtake.. its ok one, rite lane for overtaking. Middle lane travel 90, u go 110 and overtake" and "Those rite lane travelling at 90 tink they are in the right!". In the end, when the fella who read the forums is caught overtaking at 110 kmh, he suffer, not us.
Or maybe he tot he in the rite so he flash flash flash a guy travelling on rite lane at 90 until the fella du lan then start driving dangerously or jam brake kinda thing.
So although its good to know what is the practice, u should also know the law, cuz when it comes down to accident or suing, its the law that u will have to follow.
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I guess the policy of keep left unless overtaking is to signal to road user to be considerate (which is not really applicable in singapore)
The ideal scenario is that even if you are travelling at the speed limit of 90km/h and if there isnt any cars within your sight of view on the extreme left lane, then you should keep to the left lane. This occurs usually in wee hours of the morning when the expressways are basically empty without cars.
If a car is in front of you travelling slowly, then you may overtake by using the the next right lane. Similarly, the rule stay for lane 2 and lane 1(rightmost lane)
Unfortunately, this is usually not the case as the expressways on other time are full of cars. This means that people like to stick to the right lane (so as to avoid the hassle of changing lane often) as it is presuming the fastest lane even if one is driving at the speed of 90km/h.
The utopia situation is of course on a 3 lane expressway, when cruising, everybody keep leftward till the 2nd right lane, leaving the right lane just for overtaking.
With the mentality of Singaporean, it probably does not and cannot be applied here -
Any driver who thinks that travelling above the speed limit is legal should really retake his theory tests... no wait, he/she should re-check his ability to think... its a speed LIMIT. Sheesh... why did the govt implement the penalty for those who block the path of ambulances? If the person at the back is in a greater rush than you, let him/her go... its not about speeding, its not about road hogging - if we could see this simply as courtesy then singapore would be a nicer place to live. I am actually impressed by this practice by many taxis nowadays...Originally posted by guitarman1:... -
uhmm wait im confused. lets look at this scenario. If someone is travelling at the speed limit( 90km/h) and behind the car is an ambulance or whatever car thats in a rush, is that car wrong to be travelling at 90km/h and at the same time road hogging? *ponders*
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You'll be surprised how many ppl are confused about this. Since the speed limit is 90 kmh, you will obviously find some ppl travelling in middle lane at 90. Then the only logical way is to speed to about 110 to overtake on the right, right? So people will definitely think its right? Although this is all logical, but if a TP happen to be there clocking cars, you will still kena.Originally posted by dansplace:Any driver who thinks that travelling above the speed limit is legal should really retake his theory tests... no wait, he/she should re-check his ability to think... its a speed LIMIT. Sheesh... why did the govt implement the penalty for those who block the path of ambulances? If the person at the back is in a greater rush than you, let him/her go... its not about speeding, its not about road hogging - if we could see this simply as courtesy then singapore would be a nicer place to live. I am actually impressed by this practice by many taxis nowadays...
He will tell you 'overtaking' is for overtaking cars in the middle lane travelling around 70-80, then you are allowed to go 90 on the right lane to overtake.
I'm not saying the law is right, it is indeed pretty inflexible and not applicable sometimes. I'm juz asking ppl here not to justify it as if its people's LEGAL RIGHT to speed and overtake, becuz in the end when they kena caught, they suffer.
Ambulance is diff case, once siren on, its life and death. Ppl in a rush to go meet frens to makan or boyracer trying to test his top speed or someone late for meeting dun have the right to push traffic out of their way. I agree that we should observe courtesy and let people pass; no harm driving in middle lane.
But to those 110-140 kph travellers, pls also be courteous in the way you 'push' on the right lane as if its your right. Speeding can kill, road hogging unlikely.
Don't need to insult ppl's intelligence, not everyone so clever like u
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That one got separate law/gazette (whatever) stating that you should let ambulance/police pass, so no need ponder. If you block, you are wrong. But normal car don't have special privileges what.Originally posted by FaTe_TwisTer:uhmm wait im confused. lets look at this scenario. If someone is travelling at the speed limit( 90km/h) and behind the car is an ambulance or whatever car thats in a rush, is that car wrong to be travelling at 90km/h and at the same time road hogging? *ponders*
If can help it, just move to the middle la. If can't help it (e.g middle lane quite jam) juz do what's right. Imagine you on the right, speed up to 120 kph so that the car behind you won't horn you then in front got TP gun you. You think the guy behind gonna pay your fine?
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To: SPF Feedback TP/SPF/SINGOV@SINGOV
t.sg> cc:
Subject: Clarifications on traffic laws
28/02/2005 02:08
PM
Dear Sir
Many of us drivers are uncertain of a couple of rules which I hope someone
in your organisation can help us with.
1. Is Lane 1 on an expressway designated as an overtaking lane ? and that
only on lane 1, you can overtake other vehicles ?
There is no specific legislation stipulating that the rightmost lane is
only for overtaking.
2. When one drives on Lane 1 on an expressway at the speed limit of 90Kmph,
can one be booked for road hogging - assuming he is not blocking a
emergency vehicle ?
Whether travelling on on the rightmost lane within speed limit constitutes
road hogging is circumstantial. Motorists travelling at or near the speed
limit are generally not deemed to be road hogging.
3. If you overtake another vehicle on lane 2, using lane 1, are you allowed
to exceed the speed limit in the process ?
Driving beyond the speed limit to overtake a vehicle is clearly a speeding
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more reliable than keeping right....
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Mr guitarman1, not need to check with TP. I am once a TP. Let said the express way is 90km/h and your are travelling at 120km/h on lane 1, you can be book road hogging instead of speeding. Because lane 1 is for EMERGENCY VEHICLES and OVERTAKING VEHICLES ONLY. However, many Singaporeans drivers think that as long as they are within the speed limit, they are safe from booking, WRONG.
Yes, in NE highway some ignorant S'pore cars still cruise at 110km/h on the extreme right lane and still thinking that they are right. Don't play play at NE highway with so many Malaysia cars. Anything happen we are the lossing parties..... -
Speed exceeding road limit for overtaking is legal. But you cannot stay constantly over the speed limit. Mr guitarman1, please do not give wrong information here please. Your are insulting our intelligent. I am once a TP, now I am a Transport Supervisor in the Police Force, conducting classes for TP and other policemen. Btw, TP email address is [email protected], so bullshit also must get the fact right.
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what about if you see from your centre mirror escort car coming and you travel within speed limit,Originally posted by guitarman1:WRONG WRONG WRONG, u guys are wrong. The person have the right to travel 90 on the right lane. Anyone speeding past 90 to overtake is considered speeding.
Road hogging only occur when you drive below the speed limit and are blocking other users.
TP got reply to one of forum brothers on this before. I can't find the post, but I read it. Although they try to be ambiguous, it indicate that there is no offence if travelling 90 on rite lane, however, a speeding offence occurs if anyone go over the road limit.
Their reply was sumtin like tat
" A road user travelling within or at the speed limit of a certain road is not guilty of any traffic offence."
then
" If another road user exceeds the speed limit under any circumstances, whether overtaking or not, he is guilty of a speeding offence"
Although they did mention something about it is encouraged that users only use the right lane to overtake. But I don't think its a law that says right lane is STRICTLY for overtaking.
Can always write in to them again.
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No need to be escort car, any ambulance, emergency vehicles or Blinking police vehicles and you don't give way is enough. Even if you travelling at 120km/h still have to give way.Originally posted by zaxis:what about if you see from your centre mirror escort car coming and you travel within speed limit,
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Mr Demolition, can tell from ur attitude that you are those YAYA PAPAYA TP who tink they damn big fark, can tell ppl off. Pls la, u from the 1920s TP dun come here act tough. That msg I copy from other forum one. Tat email address look like Govt internal Lotus notes email. You din know how to use email while in the force isit?Originally posted by Demolition:Speed exceeding road limit for overtaking is legal. But you cannot stay constantly over the speed limit. Mr guitarman1, please do not give wrong information here please. Your are insulting our intelligent. I am once a TP, now I am a Transport Supervisor in the Police Force, conducting classes for TP and other policemen. Btw, TP email address is [email protected], so bullshit also must get the fact right.
Now u teaching police force about traffic? No wonder TP now anyhow book ppl...hahah...
Its sad that got u this kind of arrogant ppl telling ppl off.. I am merely sharing information.... The reply already say "THERE IS NO LEGISLATION which say right lane is only for overtaking". YOU better go get facts right first b4 anyhow teaching ppl the wrong things.
Former TP so wat? No need show off. U r not former commander TP, juz a chao TP. I know a lot of former TP also, not juz chao outrider like you but former OC Violations and Mr Loh JC. Dun need yaya wif me. -
Yup, I agree with demolition that exceeding the speed limit on the road to overtake is legal but not constantly over the speed limit... I remembered when I was learning driving a few months ago, there was once I had to change lanes quickly and also overtake the front car. The next lane had a car that was quite far back from mine but also travelling fast. At that point of time I was already close to the speed limit, but the instructor told me to floor it and of course I went over the speed limit just to flow with the traffic according to the other lane. Imagine, if I kept within the speed limit which was 50km/h, I could not have possibly change lanes quick enough and that might have caused the fast car to brake hard just to keep to my 'L' plate 50km/h speed limit. I guess in everything we do, we have to be flexible and that includes driving too eh?
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brudder, u really crack me up man. I juz cant help but post another time. You now in FTB giving class isit? Don't anyhow teach impressionable new officers the wrong thing ok.Originally posted by Demolition:Speed exceeding road limit for overtaking is legal. But you cannot stay constantly over the speed limit. Mr guitarman1, please do not give wrong information here please. Your are insulting our intelligent. I am once a TP, now I am a Transport Supervisor in the Police Force, conducting classes for TP and other policemen. Btw, TP email address is [email protected], so bullshit also must get the fact right.
Btw, ppl who are thrown to FTB usually NO FUTURE one. Hahaha... still want to show off as if you are CEO of IBM or sumtin... wat the heck man
And pls hor, check your lotus notes more often... Wait your commander send you email then you look at the address, you tink its a spammer and you fark him upside down. Not that the commander will be mailing YOU anything...
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My whole point here is : If the situation allow, drive courteously. Move to middle lane, overtake courteously etc.. Of coz we all commit traffic offence here and there like speeding and illegal u-turn.Originally posted by AF1:Yup, I agree with demolition that exceeding the speed limit on the road to overtake is legal but not constantly over the speed limit... I remembered when I was learning driving a few months ago, there was once I had to change lanes quickly and also overtake the front car. The next lane had a car that was quite far back from mine but also travelling fast. At that point of time I was already close to the speed limit, but the instructor told me to floor it and of course I went over the speed limit just to flow with the traffic according to the other lane. Imagine, if I kept within the speed limit which was 50km/h, I could not have possibly change lanes quick enough and that might have caused the fast car to brake hard just to keep to my 'L' plate 50km/h speed limit. I guess in everything we do, we have to be flexible and that includes driving too eh?
I am merely don't get the impression that exceeding the speed limit to overtake is LEGALLY RIGHT. So if the situation don't allow, and you can't move to middle lane, and got some a#$%hole closing in at 120 kmh, its ur call whether u wanna speed up or continue driving at speed limit. If u kena gun by TP in front, then too bad.
Anyhow, ppl here are very passionate. A little flame or even amicable discussion and all start to get very worked up and want to show off their knowledge and bring in their job and education level all. I still rembr got another thread some guy wanna take out his education cert!! WAhahahah... *clap* *clap*