Kia Picanto
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Why is it that Kia Picanto is more expensive than Hyundai Getz?
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My guess is that a lot of people are registering the Picant as OPC esp. with the so called low FC, and that has actually driven the demand & the price up...Originally posted by F Takumi:Why is it that Kia Picanto is more expensive than Hyundai Getz?
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What is the fuel consumption of Picanto?
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manual transmission, averaged at 15km/l.Originally posted by F Takumi:What is the fuel consumption of Picanto?
heard some people can get up tp 18km/l.
but i think honda jazz is still the best so far, clocked at 20+km/l.
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Average at 15kpl for Manual? That is even low for auto. Do check out Sg Kia Club for updated FC from drivers of that car.Originally posted by rumie:manual transmission, averaged at 15km/l.
heard some people can get up tp 18km/l.
but i think honda jazz is still the best so far, clocked at 20+km/l.
correct me if i'm wrong.
And am I getting out of touch? Isn't these (list below) the present price of the cars? Why people thinks Pi is more ex than Getz?
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (M), $40,999
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (A), $43,999
GETZ 1.3 GLS 3DR (A), $46,888
GETZ 1.3 GLS 5DR (A), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 3DR (M), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 5DR (A), $52,888 -
I think you are not updated. Hyundai is promoting their Getz at $44,444 (1.3L GLS 5DR) (promo since 15/7 evening). Hence between Picanto and Getz, the price is only a difference of $445.Originally posted by wbucket:Average at 15kpl for Manual? That is even low for auto. Do check out Sg Kia Club for updated FC from drivers of that car.
And am I getting out of touch? Isn't these (list below) the present price of the cars? Why people thinks Pi is more ex than Getz?
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (M), $40,999
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (A), $43,999
GETZ 1.3 GLS 3DR (A), $46,888
GETZ 1.3 GLS 5DR (A), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 3DR (M), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 5DR (A), $52,888 -
You're right. I went Komoco Motors last weekend and nearly bought the Getz. The Kia showroom at Leng Kee was relatively quiet.Originally posted by Homebody:I think you are not updated. Hyundai is promoting their Getz at $44,444 (1.3L GLS 5DR) (promo since 15/7 evening). Hence between Picanto and Getz, the price is only a difference of $445. -
So which one would you buy? Picanto or Getz?Originally posted by F Takumi:You're right. I went Komoco Motors last weekend and nearly bought the Getz. The Kia showroom at Leng Kee was relatively quiet. -
My heart is with Getz but the high fuel consumption puts me off. Picanto looks alright but it's a bit too small.Originally posted by Homebody:So which one would you buy? Picanto or Getz? -
I'm undecided between the two. I prefer Picanto for the design, FC and size but I've long legs and the steering wheel keeps hitting them. Also, 1st yr insurance free + $300 off monthly until end of this year. I love the idea of that.Originally posted by F Takumi:My heart is with Getz but the high fuel consumption puts me off. Picanto looks alright but it's a bit too small.
As for Getz, I don't like the FC and design but the gap between my legs and steering wheel is ok. No other promos. This means I've to cough out another $2,500+ more for insurance and instalments compared to Picanto -
Me too, I took both sets of brochures and price lists, and still undecided after flipping through them the umpteenth time.Originally posted by Homebody:I'm undecided between the two. I prefer Picanto for the design, FC and size but I've long legs and the steering wheel keeps hitting them. Also, 1st yr insurance free + $300 off monthly until end of this year. I love the idea of that.
As for Getz, I don't like the FC and design but the gap between my legs and steering wheel is ok. No other promos. This means I've to cough out another $2,500+ more for insurance and instalments compared to Picanto
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The Picanto looks cute but Getz more manly.
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Big deals for Small Wheels: The Hyundai Getz vs The Kia Picanto
With soaring gas prices gripping the country and over-congested streets that are bursting with impatient motorists vying for that little patch of undefended road in front of your bumper, cars like the Kia Picanto and the Hyundai Getz really start to make more and more sense. Forget image – when you need to get from A to B as efficiently as possible, these two hatches put together a rock solid case and only someone with more dollars than sense would write them off. They're not just economical, they're also as maneuverable as a politician evading a question and they proudly fly the flag of bare bones motoring in its rawest form.
Take the Picanto as an example. Here's a car with an engine that's feels like a slightly tuned, mildly modified sewing machine that delivers a paltry 64ps of peak power @ 5500 rpm. My washing machine at home has more torque. It comes with a five speed manual transmission, wind up windows and manually adjusted side mirrors that don't even have a joystick adjustment lever on the inside. It does, however, have two cupholders up front and a radio with a... dig this... cassette player. (Don't bother googling it, some of the old guys in the office say its a prehistoric medium for recording/listening to music). But I like it – it is as honest as God intended entry level vehicles to be. And its cheap. Really cheap.
The Getz has a bit more pizazz; there are some welcomed modern conveniences like power windows, central locking, a single in dash CD player and fabric lining on the door panels, but it also comes at a price - about 4 grand, to be exact. Apart from that, I find the Picanto's interior a bit more pleasant. Maybe because the cabin materials used on the Hyundai are darker which makes it feel more cramped and gives it a little less cheer than the Kia. And, if you decide that you really can't live with driving the automotive equivalent of Old Mother Hubbard's cupboard, some Kia dealers offer central locking and power windows as a dealer fitted option, which should address most people's woes. Mention that the Getz includes this as standard and challenge them to match the price. Although the Getz gains and extra advantage in exterior size, once inside, leg, head and knee room for both cars are about even.
On the road, both cars are closely matched and really fun to drive. Just make sure you get the manual versions. After coming from a string of mid size sedans and gargantuan SUVs, I almost forgot just how much fun I've been missing out on. For the most part, the more expensive the car, the easier manufacturers make it for you to drive, so the less involved you tend to be. Here's a classic example of going back to your roots; compared to more civilised models like, say, the Mazda 3 or an Altis, the difference between you and the road is about 500, 000 pesos worth of insulation. Here, you feel everything. You are the shock absorber and insulation. Its almost like sitting on the road itself as you scurry along. You can feel the texture of the road surface being transmitted straight to your butt, not through some breakthrough of clever engineering, but rather from the lack thereof. But this is a good thing if you're one that enjoys driving.
If you think about the target market of these cars, then that would mean they've pretty much nailed it. Most buyers will be students and young office workers, who, traditionally, are people that – God bless 'em – still enjoy the novelty of driving. By removing all the creature comforts, it becomes just you and the open road. During a midnight drive with the Picanto down to Alabang, I was weaving through some very light traffic at around 120 km/h and having the time of my life doing so. I never came near the claimed top speed of 154 km/h, but the thrill was still there in dazzling technicolor. Because of its size and weight, the feeling of speed is magnified and, at the end of the day, if you haven't got enough road (or cash for that matter) to really break free, the next best thing is always the perception of speed. Sure, I could cruise by effortlessly in a Honda City Vtec at far greater speed with less involvement and no white knuckles, but that's not the point – this is unadulterated pleasure. Or, cheap thrills, if you will.
As I approached the turn in to the sweeping off ramp of the Filinvest toll plaza, I was fighting the wheel while it bucked and tugged as the 14 inch front tires wailed with understeer and grappled for grip; the back end felt like it was about to kick out; I tightened up as I clipped the apex and brought the balance back to the center. There's so much drama. After catching my breath, I glanced at the speedo. A new record – 47 km/h. Laugh all you like, but it doesn't dilute the driving experience. Its like a go cart, only slower. Besides, while you're still giggling to yourself and circling around the mall looking for a space to dock your land yacht, I would've already slotted this sub compact into the first tiny little crevice I spotted, and be chillin out at an outdoor table sucking on my Frapuccino with the money I saved at the gas station.
Despite the fact that both cars share essentially the same platform, and as a result, perform very similarly, the Kia has the edge in power – albeit an extra 2 horses; but when you're talking about this level, every man and his horse counts. The Kia is also lighter by some 67 kilos. You may think its splitting hairs, but at this price point, you'd be surprised at just how petty things become. Dealers have won and lost sales over a set of floor mats. And, in the end, that's what swung me over to the Kia. Not the floor mats, but the dealer issue. To be honest, both cars are quite evenly matched. This is not a cop out, but the choice will really come down to personal preference. I couldn't, in total fairness, say that one stands out significantly over the other; the Kia claims better fuel consumption (up to 26.2 kilometers per liter) but the Getz has a bigger fuel tank. The Kia may also be quicker of the line, but the Getz feels a touch more planted at speed and has a tighter turning circle. The Getz offers an automatic 1.3 model, but a manual Picanto would outrun it. I see the battle being won at the dealership – in the buying, then ownership experience.
This is a key area that is often overlooked. More so than any segment, a Picanto/Getz buyer is, by nature, more likely to have a more dependant relationship with his dealer. A BMW owner, for example, usually owns several cars and may not ever set foot in a service center. There are those on his payroll to do that. Sure he may have coughed up 2-10 million for his car, but I'll guarantee you that it wasn't his last million. The poor battler that buys a Picanto has weighed out his decision with painful diligence and has most likely spent his last cent to come up with just the deposit. Unlike buyers of more premium cars, he cannot afford to be off the road, either – his coding vehicle is one that is allowed on the yellow lane.
My own personal experience was that the folks at Kia Quezon Avenue were much easier to talk to than the Hyundai dealer. I had been trying to secure a Hyundai for the last six months yet many calls and messages were left unanswered. In contrast, it took just one phone call to the General Manager at Kia Quezon Ave, and a brand new Picanto was delivered in less than 24 hours. They seemed more eager about the test than I was. That kind of confidence and enthusiasm is contagious and is just what's needed to get more and more of these cars out on our roads.
But not all dealers are created equally – even within the same brand. During my research I came across a huge disparity in the prices and the dealer's approach to such often overlooked and mundane areas like registration and insurance. Although all three Kia dealers I canvassed quoted P6,200 for the 3yrs registration versus Hyundai's P8,500, the situation got stickier when it came to insurance. One Kia dealer quoted P28,000 for the insurance and, as a matter of policy, does not allow their customers to gain coverage elsewhere. The next Kia dealer quoted slightly less, and when asked whether I was bound to use their insurer, he replied, “We give priority to those that do. You may have to wait very long for a unit otherwise. In the end, your sale may not be approved management” In reaction, Hyundai offers the same insurance package for the Getz at P 17,000, and although the dealership recommends their own in house insurance, customers are free to seek their own coverage elsewhere if they wanted to.
With prices pegged so closely, and dealer margins spread so thin, you're bound to take a hit somewhere else. So make sure you negotiate the drive away price and don't be afraid to shop around. This business of bullying customers into expensive dealer financing is not going to wash with most buyers. My argument here is: entice your customers, do not oblige them. It is such an immature approach to fair trading to win a sale by removing a person's power of choice. Why not try a more competitive and aggressive campaign instead? Considering that the appeal of these cars rests entirely on the platform of cheap, reliable and economical motoring, if one of these manufacturers took the initiative and decided to include a free, all-inclusive servicing package like the one that GM used to catapult the humble Optra to an all-time high of no. 2 in its class for sales, then they would have a sure winner on their showroom floor and drive the final nail in the coffin of their competitor. Let's see who reacts first...
All things considered, this is still a far cry from the days of the Pride CD-5 or the first generation Hyundais. Today's models are civilised by comparison and benefit from the economies of scale of huge regional plants and a few good years of research, development, trials and errors under their belts. Both are backed by official offices here. Both cars run on the smell of an oily rag and have an industry leading 3 year 100,000 (Kia is 110,000) kilometer warranty to back them up. If youÂ’re young, on a tight budget, or have better things to spend your money on than cars and simply want cheap, reliable, totally painless motoring that can also put a smile on your face, then here are two great options for you. At the end of the day, whether you pick a Picanto or get a Getz, you'll agree that good things do still come in small packages. -
So it just drop. I wonder if Picanto will follow. Anyway, it is either Picanto (M) or Getz 1.6, if you ask me. Picanto (A) is really weak! And Manual car will give you a better FC too. Getz 1.6 makes more sense than 1.3, small engine big body just isn't logical. Auto will make the power lower and FC worse.Originally posted by Homebody:I think you are not updated. Hyundai is promoting their Getz at $44,444 (1.3L GLS 5DR) (promo since 15/7 evening). Hence between Picanto and Getz, the price is only a difference of $445.
New drivers, if you think you wouldn't be bothered by the car's weak pick-up, you are wrong. Soon you will start to find ways to make your car faster when you keep seeing the car behind following you closely when moving off the traffic light. -
Can some kind soul advise on the miscellaneous costs, ie road tax and insurance for Picanto and Getz?Originally posted by wbucket:Average at 15kpl for Manual? That is even low for auto. Do check out Sg Kia Club for updated FC from drivers of that car.
And am I getting out of touch? Isn't these (list below) the present price of the cars? Why people thinks Pi is more ex than Getz?
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (M), $40,999
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (A), $43,999
GETZ 1.3 GLS 3DR (A), $46,888
GETZ 1.3 GLS 5DR (A), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 3DR (M), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 5DR (A), $52,888 -
Are you very tall? I'm about 1.8m, and when I tried Getz, there's almost no leg room for the rear passenger once I sat in the driver's seat. I will be trying the Picanto in the next few days for a feel on the interior space.Originally posted by Homebody:I'm undecided between the two. I prefer Picanto for the design, FC and size but I've long legs and the steering wheel keeps hitting them. Also, 1st yr insurance free + $300 off monthly until end of this year. I love the idea of that.
As for Getz, I don't like the FC and design but the gap between my legs and steering wheel is ok. No other promos. This means I've to cough out another $2,500+ more for insurance and instalments compared to Picanto -
I'm 1.74m. If you find Getz too squeezy for the rear passenger when uou drive, you can forget about trying Picanto.Originally posted by F Takumi:Are you very tall? I'm about 1.8m, and when I tried Getz, there's almost no leg room for the rear passenger once I sat in the driver's seat. I will be trying the Picanto in the next few days for a feel on the interior space.
Anyway, I don't have any passenger for my car. It's purely for my use (1 person) and my barang. I've to decide if I'll be comfortable with the steering wheel hitting my thighs in a Picanto or I've to burden myself with extra cost of road tax, insurance and gas for a Getz. -
Can change sport steering (smaller diameter) to allow more space. That is what my friends did.Originally posted by Homebody:I'm 1.74m. If you find Getz too squeezy for the rear passenger when uou drive, you can forget about trying Picanto.
Anyway, I don't have any passenger for my car. It's purely for my use (1 person) and my barang. I've to decide if I'll be comfortable with the steering wheel hitting my thighs in a Picanto or I've to burden myself with extra cost of road tax, insurance and gas for a Getz. -
Good idea! I was actually thinking of buying the Picanto manual sports.Originally posted by wbucket:Can change sport steering (smaller diameter) to allow more space. That is what my friends did. -
Advice from all buyers is usually to get the stock and mod aftermarket parts yourself. Unless of course if you are getting it free from the dealers. Ceck out sgkiaclub for advice before committing.Originally posted by F Takumi:Good idea! I was actually thinking of buying the Picanto manual sports. -
hey, dun get me wrong.Originally posted by wbucket:Average at 15kpl for Manual? That is even low for auto. Do check out Sg Kia Club for updated FC from drivers of that car.
And am I getting out of touch? Isn't these (list below) the present price of the cars? Why people thinks Pi is more ex than Getz?
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (M), $40,999
Picanto 1.1L 5DR (A), $43,999
GETZ 1.3 GLS 3DR (A), $46,888
GETZ 1.3 GLS 5DR (A), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 3DR (M), $48,888
GETZ 1.6 GLS 5DR (A), $52,888
i drive a manual picanto myself and i happened to be a member of SGK club, and i'm not implying that the Pi has weak FC... hmmm... maybe i should add in the fact (from SGK forum) that cos i'm still running in, mileage at 1300km now, my FC avg at 15km/l.
and, once you've gone for the 5000km servicing, it will be better at around 17-18km/l AVERAGED, right? -
Link for road tax calculation: http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publish/onemotoring/en/lta/enquiries/road_tax_calculator/road_tax_calculation.html
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Last time I checked (Early 2005), Picanto's FC as writen in Sgkiaclub is around 15-19 for manual, 14-17 for auto. But recently I checked, seems like it is dropping. I wondered it is because more youngsters are getting that car and revving like no-body business. Because Picanto's engine isn't really responsive for the 1st 2 gear (I felt its power on the 3rd), so with start-stop traffic of Singapore, the FC is going to hurt a lot more for small cars.Originally posted by rumie:hey, dun get me wrong.
i drive a manual picanto myself and i happened to be a member of SGK club, and i'm not implying that the Pi has weak FC... hmmm... maybe i should add in the fact (from SGK forum) that cos i'm still running in, mileage at 1300km now, my FC avg at 15km/l.
and, once you've gone for the 5000km servicing, it will be better at around 17-18km/l AVERAGED, right? -
You're very tall for a lady. Anyway, tonight I'll be trying out the Kelisa and Picanto.Originally posted by Homebody:I'm 1.74m. If you find Getz too squeezy for the rear passenger when uou drive, you can forget about trying Picanto.
Anyway, I don't have any passenger for my car. It's purely for my use (1 person) and my barang. I've to decide if I'll be comfortable with the steering wheel hitting my thighs in a Picanto or I've to burden myself with extra cost of road tax, insurance and gas for a Getz. -
how about considering the suzuki swift or the nissan march?
good driver's space. also for the rear passengers.