Should i buy a porsche???
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what kind of logic is this? As far as LTA is concerned, it IS an issue. They say its not road legal, then it is not. DUHOriginally posted by temptation:So it goes that show that left hand or right hand drive is not an issue here.
I am surprise that there's actually prevailing thinking that just because it's build with a left hand drive and therefore nothing can be done to it and it was deem as not being road legal. That's ridiculous ....
Enzo as a limited production is no fresh news to anyone
.....whahaha ...
Of course u can go n modify it. Got money anything u also can do, and get it homologated too. But since no one has decided to swap it to RHD yet, it is not road legal. End of story. Maybe u ought to be man enuf now to admit your mistake and save some face huh?
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u know, u're missing the point here that production line wise, it was only made in LHD. Since NO Enzos were made in RHD, LTA says its NOT LEGAL. LTA already make it clear liao, who are u to come n say thats not an issue? U're not LTA.Originally posted by temptation:I wouldn't think that as an issue ... engineering can easily rectify that.
it's a small issue ...... or rather not an issue at all.
if u're gonna modify one, u'll only have more hurdles to face regarding the modification and homologation issues. For a car which, arguably wasn't bought for everyday use, theres no need to go thru all the trouble, especially when I suspect the owner would be much happier taking it out for special Ferrari events and track days.
If u had a limited edition car, would u submit it to the abuses of everyday use, especially considering the problem it would have going over road humps? -
pot calling kettle black. and a car moron at that.Originally posted by temptation:And oh yes, btw, what makes you that I am still young enough and need my father's reputation to shine?
... Unless of cause, you are all too familiar with it through usage of your own as a baby boy... that case I don't hold any regards for you on top of your inadequacy ability to banter well.
I can stand well on my own. thank you
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Originally posted by HENG@:
I read all your post to me....
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u know, u're missing the point here that production line wise, it was only made in LHD. Since NO Enzos were made in RHD, LTA says its NOT LEGAL. LTA already make it clear liao, who are u to come n say thats not an issue? U're not LTA.b]
I still find your argument ridiculous regarding the road legality of the ENZO.... anyway, you didn't mention why you made the remark about ENZO not being road legal in the first place. I was merely asking you, what makes you said so.
If you deem that it's because it's a LHD and therefore not legal in SG, I find that alittle absurd.
It's common sense that if the importer is sell the car to you legally, Ferrari would have make it RHD. For example, the world saw a LHD Lambo or the aforementioned Porsche, but it doesn't mean that they cannot build a RHD for these cars if there's a demand for it. The same goes for ENZO.
Therefore I find your arguments absurd.
The reason I posted here is because if non Ferrari enthusiasts were to read your posting in this forum, they will deem that ENZO is REALLY illegal to drive on road and not just SG roads because you mentioned it's not road legal.
I think that's a hugh mistaken impression you portrayed; Or perhaps you didn't word it too well.
Ok, talking about limited production. Take a look at F40 ( ItÂ’s a Ferrari as well ) . It started production in 1987 and was limited to 400units initially. However the early birds had a shock when Ferrari continued production of the F40 in excess of the number to 1315 units due to strong demand for it. And I bet a lot of us donÂ’t know about the story on the F40 initial limited production numbers.
I drives a porsche 911 turbo 2002 model. It propels me off the line pretty fast. I used it everyday. My friend, who drives a Maserati couple, goes to work and park at Shenton way everyday. I think our cars are pretty fast. and oh yes, another friend of mine drives a soot filled rear Ferrari 360 to work at Kallang basin everyday. All these cars have a LHD in some other countries that you might have visited.
Even Lambo Murcielago was built and aim as an everyday use supercar.
Have you tried driving it? Well I did, and it was much little in clutch feel and steering feel compare to the Diablo.
So I disagree with you when you said that ENZO is not an everyday usable car. The power craze period where the world saw Mclaren F1, Diablo and the XJ200 is over. These are supercars that are hard to drive. Now the trend is towards building a supercar which the owner can use it everyday, like the Porsche Carrera GT and the Ferrari 360.
If the Murcielago wasnÂ’t imported and sold in SG and if you see a LHD Murcielago in say, UK, will that give you the impression that Murcielago is not road legal as well?
As a much traveled person like yourself ( I read from the previous posting ), I am shocked to know that you are not able to take marco view about these simple issues.
Anyway, I feel that your posting was intended to demean whether itÂ’s me or perhaps others in the forum and not really to discuss and correct any perception. Perhaps you felt the same about my posting to you, and hence the replies.
If you still keen to have a healthy doses of exchanges on car and likes, letÂ’s steer clear of personal remarks. Â…like for examples, car morons. DoesnÂ’t help much in understanding cars, does it? -
There isnt any RHD Enzo in Britain, MY, AUS or any other RHD countries....Originally posted by temptation:I read all your post to me....
I still find your argument ridiculous regarding the road legality of the ENZO.... anyway, you didn't mention why you made the remark about ENZO not being road legal in the first place. I was merely asking you, what makes you said so.
If you deem that it's because it's a LHD and therefore not legal in SG, I find that alittle absurd.
It's common sense that if the importer is sell the car to you legally, Ferrari would have make it RHD. For example, the world saw a LHD Lambo or the aforementioned Porsche, but it doesn't mean that they cannot build a RHD for these cars if there's a demand for it. The same goes for ENZO.
Therefore I find your arguments absurd.
The reason I posted here is because if non Ferrari enthusiasts were to read your posting in this forum, they will deem that ENZO is REALLY illegal to drive on road and not just SG roads because you mentioned it's not road legal.
I think that's a hugh mistaken impression you portrayed; Or perhaps you didn't word it too well.
Ok, talking about limited production. Take a look at F40 ( ItÂ’s a Ferrari as well ) . It started production in 1987 and was limited to 400units initially. However the early birds had a shock when Ferrari continued production of the F40 in excess of the number to 1315 units due to strong demand for it. And I bet a lot of us donÂ’t know about the story on the F40 initial limited production numbers.
I drives a porsche 911 turbo 2002 model. It propels me off the line pretty fast. I used it everyday. My friend, who drives a Maserati couple, goes to work and park at Shenton way everyday. I think our cars are pretty fast. and oh yes, another friend of mine drives a soot filled rear Ferrari 360 to work at Kallang basin everyday. All these cars have a LHD in some other countries that you might have visited.
Even Lambo Murcielago was built and aim as an everyday use supercar.
Have you tried driving it? Well I did, and it was much little in clutch feel and steering feel compare to the Diablo.
So I disagree with you when you said that ENZO is not an everyday usable car. The power craze period where the world saw Mclaren F1, Diablo and the XJ200 is over. These are supercars that are hard to drive. Now the trend is towards building a supercar which the owner can use it everyday, like the Porsche Carrera GT and the Ferrari 360.
If the Murcielago wasnÂ’t imported and sold in SG and if you see a LHD Murcielago in say, UK, will that give you the impression that Murcielago is not road legal as well?
As a much traveled person like yourself ( I read from the previous posting ), I am shocked to know that you are not able to take marco view about these simple issues.
Anyway, I feel that your posting was intended to demean whether itÂ’s me or perhaps others in the forum and not really to discuss and correct any perception. Perhaps you felt the same about my posting to you, and hence the replies.
If you still keen to have a healthy doses of exchanges on car and likes, letÂ’s steer clear of personal remarks. Â…like for examples, car morons. DoesnÂ’t help much in understanding cars, does it?
Since you claim you know of people driving Ferrari, I am pretty sure you know that the enzo is limited to their most elite owners and collectors around the world, so do you think Ferrari will produce another 400 units in the near future and distory the value of this collectors items that carry the name ENZO. If they do, I am sure they are definitely going to pissed their A list customer away? -
the very simple view is that, in singapore, LTA says its illegal to drive it on the road, hence it is road illegal. We're talking about singapore here for Gawd's sake. Why don't u try driving an enzo out on the roads n see whether u get into trouble or not?Originally posted by temptation:I read all your post to me....
I still find your argument ridiculous regarding the road legality of the ENZO.... anyway, you didn't mention why you made the remark about ENZO not being road legal in the first place. I was merely asking you, what makes you said so.
If you deem that it's because it's a LHD and therefore not legal in SG, I find that alittle absurd.
It's common sense that if the importer is sell the car to you legally, Ferrari would have make it RHD. For example, the world saw a LHD Lambo or the aforementioned Porsche, but it doesn't mean that they cannot build a RHD for these cars if there's a demand for it. The same goes for ENZO.
Therefore I find your arguments absurd.
The reason I posted here is because if non Ferrari enthusiasts were to read your posting in this forum, they will deem that ENZO is REALLY illegal to drive on road and not just SG roads because you mentioned it's not road legal.
I think that's a hugh mistaken impression you portrayed; Or perhaps you didn't word it too well.
Ok, talking about limited production. Take a look at F40 ( ItÂ’s a Ferrari as well ) . It started production in 1987 and was limited to 400units initially. However the early birds had a shock when Ferrari continued production of the F40 in excess of the number to 1315 units due to strong demand for it. And I bet a lot of us donÂ’t know about the story on the F40 initial limited production numbers.
I drives a porsche 911 turbo 2002 model. It propels me off the line pretty fast. I used it everyday. My friend, who drives a Maserati couple, goes to work and park at Shenton way everyday. I think our cars are pretty fast. and oh yes, another friend of mine drives a soot filled rear Ferrari 360 to work at Kallang basin everyday. All these cars have a LHD in some other countries that you might have visited.
Even Lambo Murcielago was built and aim as an everyday use supercar.
Have you tried driving it? Well I did, and it was much little in clutch feel and steering feel compare to the Diablo.
So I disagree with you when you said that ENZO is not an everyday usable car. The power craze period where the world saw Mclaren F1, Diablo and the XJ200 is over. These are supercars that are hard to drive. Now the trend is towards building a supercar which the owner can use it everyday, like the Porsche Carrera GT and the Ferrari 360.
If the Murcielago wasnÂ’t imported and sold in SG and if you see a LHD Murcielago in say, UK, will that give you the impression that Murcielago is not road legal as well?
As a much traveled person like yourself ( I read from the previous posting ), I am shocked to know that you are not able to take marco view about these simple issues.
Anyway, I feel that your posting was intended to demean whether itÂ’s me or perhaps others in the forum and not really to discuss and correct any perception. Perhaps you felt the same about my posting to you, and hence the replies.
If you still keen to have a healthy doses of exchanges on car and likes, letÂ’s steer clear of personal remarks. Â…like for examples, car morons. DoesnÂ’t help much in understanding cars, does it?
In UK, Enzos remain LHD but are road legal because our DVA allows LHD cars to be driven in UK. There is a premium u have to pay over RHD cars as levied by DVA, but otherwise the Enzo is considered road legal there.
In singapore, it is NOT road legal, which is why we can say someone who buys one in singapore really has a passion for cars. It is common sense that U can buy a car in singapore which has not been deemed road legal by LTA, but u cannot drive it. ownership itself is not a crime, but if u drive it on public roads, it is a crime.
All along what i've been saying is that the enzo is not road legal, in the context of Singapore! i wasn't saying that the Enzo is not a road legal car all over the world. I've seen it being driven in London, why would i say that? U have to take a look at previously, we were discussing in the context of exotics in Singapore, hence I wouldn't have to state unnecessarily that i am talking about singapore. on the other hand, u've come into the middle of a discussion, u have the responsibility to make it clear u understand what we were talking about, and not assume what u think we were talking about!
Lets just say if I wouldn't mistake a Murcielago as being only LHD because there are a pleathoria of RHD ones in UK. I dunno about being able to take a macro view or not, but i find your assumption without making sure that your understanding of the ongoing discussion was accurate, is indeed very irresponsible. As such why do u think most people here responded negatively to you? Non of my post was intended to demean, but perhaps some of them were intended to make u realise everyone here are talking about the context of singapore, as this discussion was originally set in.
As for other things, such as whether the Enzo is usuable as an everyday car, the answer is yes, but whether one would want to subject a car which is arguably a very limited edition and collectable car to the abuses of everyday uses, is subject to more discussion. And quite rightly, u will realise most owners would not use their Enzos as everyday cars. Why should they when they probably also own a plethoria of other more common exotics like a 360 or a luxuriobarge like a BMW 7 series? Ask yourself which car would give u a greater heartache if it got scratched or dinged: Enzo or 360 and I think u'd have the obvious answer.
Now that u've revealed what car u drive, i must say i am more shocked that u either don't know that LHD cars are generally not road legal IN SINGAPORE, or that u can be as irresponsible to assume that we weren't speaking in the context of what is considered road legal and whats not, in singapore. I mean unless your car's bought with parential money, u're probably doing some high paying job with heavy demands on responsibilities, so how could u make such a basic irresponsible mistake as to assume that our field of discussion was wherever YOU had thought laid, instead of finding out where it actually lay?
Finally, I have to say, I didn't call u a car moron. Someone else did, although he was probably echoing the sentiments of many others here. -
i called him a car moron. no regrets. anyway, if you drive a porsche turbo, you'd be better off posing in town. At least bystanders will appreciate the car, and not know that the driver is a bit challenged in some ways. inside this forum, whatever you say is scrutinised, and being challenged somewhat, you just cannot handle it.Originally posted by HENG@:the very simple view is that, in singapore, LTA says its illegal to drive it on the road, hence it is road illegal. We're talking about singapore here for Gawd's sake. Why don't u try driving an enzo out on the roads n see whether u get into trouble or not?
In UK, Enzos remain LHD but are road legal because our DVA allows LHD cars to be driven in UK. There is a premium u have to pay over RHD cars as levied by DVA, but otherwise the Enzo is considered road legal there.
In singapore, it is NOT road legal, which is why we can say someone who buys one in singapore really has a passion for cars. It is common sense that U can buy a car in singapore which has not been deemed road legal by LTA, but u cannot drive it. ownership itself is not a crime, but if u drive it on public roads, it is a crime.
All along what i've been saying is that the enzo is not road legal, in the context of Singapore! i wasn't saying that the Enzo is not a road legal car all over the world. I've seen it being driven in London, why would i say that? U have to take a look at previously, we were discussing in the context of exotics in Singapore, hence I wouldn't have to state unnecessarily that i am talking about singapore. on the other hand, u've come into the middle of a discussion, u have the responsibility to make it clear u understand what we were talking about, and not assume what u think we were talking about!
Lets just say if I wouldn't mistake a Murcielago as being only LHD because there are a pleathoria of RHD ones in UK. I dunno about being able to take a macro view or not, but i find your assumption without making sure that your understanding of the ongoing discussion was accurate, is indeed very irresponsible. As such why do u think most people here responded negatively to you? Non of my post was intended to demean, but perhaps some of them were intended to make u realise everyone here are talking about the context of singapore, as this discussion was originally set in.
As for other things, such as whether the Enzo is usuable as an everyday car, the answer is yes, but whether one would want to subject a car which is arguably a very limited edition and collectable car to the abuses of everyday uses, is subject to more discussion. And quite rightly, u will realise most owners would not use their Enzos as everyday cars. Why should they when they probably also own a plethoria of other more common exotics like a 360 or a luxuriobarge like a BMW 7 series? Ask yourself which car would give u a greater heartache if it got scratched or dinged: Enzo or 360 and I think u'd have the obvious answer.
Now that u've revealed what car u drive, i must say i am more shocked that u either don't know that LHD cars are generally not road legal IN SINGAPORE, or that u can be as irresponsible to assume that we weren't speaking in the context of what is considered road legal and whats not, in singapore. I mean unless your car's bought with parential money, u're probably doing some high paying job with heavy demands on responsibilities, so how could u make such a basic irresponsible mistake as to assume that our field of discussion was wherever YOU had thought laid, instead of finding out where it actually lay?
Finally, I have to say, I didn't call u a car moron. Someone else did, although he was probably echoing the sentiments of many others here.