Mx5 testdrive accident
-
I think getting lost or out of the test route is a damn lame excuse for the accident. we are test driving a ROAD CAR, not a F2005 on publich road. Getting lost or not it doesnt matter, because this car is designed and built to drive on public road.Originally posted by girlnextdoor:think it this way.. how many people go to car showrooms in curiosity of finding out how fast some cars are.. whats the engine like.. whether its good to drive and so on? many. but does everyone who test drive a car buy the car? its just a norm that guys have an interest in cars. honestly when u test drive a car... you're testing its engine and everything important. but dont tell me you find no thrill at all in driving a car u like? we're humans after all arent we?
plus it is the SE or the car company that designates where the car should be test driven. it was the SE who guided the driver all the way until they got quite lost and ended up at a road unsuitable for test driving. it is really a pity that the SE died. but this is nobody's fault. if she had survived and the driver died, the media would point their finger at her, u realise that right? so nobody's at fault in this situation. just victims..
As a driver, you should have the common sense that if the road or traffic condition is bad, dont push it. And more so if you have less than 5 mins of experience driving it.
honestly I find it hard to believe how can a modern and proven roadster like the MX-5 can suddenly get into this kind of freak accident? I strongly believe that the driver had push the car very hard on low gears in those wet weather condition. Could the driver been trying to impress the SE with the limited opportunity given to him on the road? honestly i do think so, probably just like how a NS recuit make love to his gf after his 3 weeks confinement in the army.
And before you try to test a car's performance and handling, I think you better ask yourself if you are qualified do what you want to do. If you have enough knowledge and driving experience behind you, fine. If not just stick to Playstation or Xbox.
And FYI, most performance cars are sold without any test driving. F430, M5, M3, Zonda, Enzo Cayman,RS6,Gransport, Conti GT etc... -
This msg is posted for girlnextdoor.
1) If I don't point my finger on the driver, who should I blame? Blame in on my dear cousin's fate? She is so innocent.
2) The driver had NO intention to buy the car at all, yet he went to test drive the car for his own pleasure especially when its already so late and my cousin is supposed to attend a wedding dinner. For your info, that driver just bought a new car weeks ago.
3) She is not your cousin, you will never understand how her parents feel.
4) He will live with guilt for life. Thats enough yes.
5) You just registered an account here, and i'm sure you are someone related to the driver.
6) Yes, i agree that there are many people who test drive cars everyday to understand about the cars' functionalities.. BUT why didn't I see ACCIDENTS due to test drive everyday? Or at least once a month?
7) Go to the accident site and see it youself. Damn the driver if he was indeed speeding.
8 ) Do not, I repeat DO NOT attempt to shift the blame to my cousin. She is dead not the driver. I just hope the driver will be responsible for what he has commited, and have the courage to face the fact. Not trying to help pull him out of the loop.
Think for yourself.. my cousin is only 22 years old with bright future and she was supposed to bring her family overseas for holiday. Now everything is gone. We are all devastated and still couldn't accept the fact that she's gone.
Lets juz leave it to the court's verdict. The truth will be out soon. -
heard tt the girl tt died in the accident was really chio.. sigh..
lets hope all drivers drive responsibly.. especially those driving taxi.. zz -
This tragic accident and all accidents involves the responsibility of driver(s).
The driver is the person responsible for in priority IMO:
1) The driver's personal safety first then to fufill the following(s)
2) Passenger(s) safety
3) Pedestrain(s) safety
4) Road user(s) safety
5) Care of public property
6) Care of private property
7) Care of test drive vehicle
Regardless of the outcome, the driver is the controller of the vehicle, hence the responsibilities. -
The driver has no guilt, never apologise
-
Originally posted by sbst275:The driver has no guilt, never apologise
SpoonX already said that the driver felt like dying after the accident. Furthermore, he personally pursued the incident and directly knew the salesgirl.Originally posted by SpoonX:Anyway he will sure face his punishment from the law but his worse is to live with a guilt the rest of his life.
And if u guys wanna ask me how come i know so much details of the whole accident.........................
I rushed down to the accident scene shortly after the accident. in fact the driver was in a daze and dun really know wat happen and i got the whole story fom the workers that witness the accident and from the van driver that the MX5 landed on. Later on then i get to hear the drivers side of the story which very similialy tally with the rest of the eye witnesses.
watever it is:
To Angelia: May your soul Rest in Peace and see u in heaven when it's my turn.
To her family and Boyfrend: My heart goes out to you. Sincere consoledense.
To the Driver: You will face punishment from the law and guilt ridden for the rest of your life. But you are alive and life still goes on. I know u feel like dieing. But u have your parents to think for. We already have one tragedy where a mother lost her daughter. we dun need another one where a mother and father will lose their son.
Now would a guy think of dying if he is not guilty? -
You sure?Originally posted by philia:SpoonX already said that the driver felt like dying after the accident. Furthermore, he personally pursued the incident and directly knew the salesgirl.
Now would a guy think of dying if he is not guilty?
Ever heard of 2 faces? -
I chanced to see wanbao? that day the parents of the girl barred him from the wake.Originally posted by sbst275:The driver has no guilt, never apologise -
Any normal human being will feel guilty in that scenario.Originally posted by sbst275:You sure?
Ever heard of 2 faces?
Unless you want to show us evidence that he is another Took? -
I am not sure. But I have more reason to believe SpoonX's quote (considering he spoke to the driver) compared to your quote that he did not feel guilty.Originally posted by sbst275:You sure?
Ever heard of 2 faces?
If we are all unsure, let's not jump into conclusion as to whether he is guilty or not. -
If I am the driver I think I might commit suicide.
-
feeling quilty is a reaction to the result of an action that he has taken. what the law is interested is the action he has taken that resulted in someone being killed and 5 other people injured. If he is rich, he better be prepared brcause I am sure those passengers in the bmw will considering the option of filling a law suit against him.Originally posted by philia:I am not sure. But I have more reason to believe SpoonX's quote (considering he spoke to the driver) compared to your quote that he did not feel guilty.
If we are all unsure, let's not jump into conclusion as to whether he is guilty or not. -
yah .. but the law does take into account his remoursefulness when passing the sentence. at least that's how most defence laywers will argue.Originally posted by Gazelle:feeling quilty is a reaction to the result of an action that he has taken. what the law is interested is the action he has taken that resulted in someone being killed and 5 other people injured. If he is rich, he better be prepared brcause I am sure those passengers in the bmw will considering the option of filling a law suit against him. -
Feel so sorry for ur cousin..My heart goes out to her and her family member...Hope time can heal their heart someday somehow...It is really a pity to see someone so young to pass away...The person responsible should really be punish..Be it really is his fault or just some unfortunate accident..Someone must be held responsible..Originally posted by ninelives:This msg is posted for girlnextdoor.
1) If I don't point my finger on the driver, who should I blame? Blame in on my dear cousin's fate? She is so innocent.
2) The driver had NO intention to buy the car at all, yet he went to test drive the car for his own pleasure especially when its already so late and my cousin is supposed to attend a wedding dinner. For your info, that driver just bought a new car weeks ago.
3) She is not your cousin, you will never understand how her parents feel.
4) He will live with guilt for life. Thats enough yes.
5) You just registered an account here, and i'm sure you are someone related to the driver.
6) Yes, i agree that there are many people who test drive cars everyday to understand about the cars' functionalities.. BUT why didn't I see ACCIDENTS due to test drive everyday? Or at least once a month?
7) Go to the accident site and see it youself. Damn the driver if he was indeed speeding.
8 ) Do not, I repeat DO NOT attempt to shift the blame to my cousin. She is dead not the driver. I just hope the driver will be responsible for what he has commited, and have the courage to face the fact. Not trying to help pull him out of the loop.
Think for yourself.. my cousin is only 22 years old with bright future and she was supposed to bring her family overseas for holiday. Now everything is gone. We are all devastated and still couldn't accept the fact that she's gone.
Lets juz leave it to the court's verdict. The truth will be out soon. -
Thank you *Lord Kang*. .
My cousin, she had lots of dreams yet to fulfill. It pain us so much.. and we still cannot believe that she's gone. She is so young, and is going to persue for a Degree soon. She was the top sales woman of the month October. We are just wondering and can't understand why must the driver insisted to test drive the car when he himself didn't intend to purchase it? He just bought a car recently. Never mind, I understand human nature as well..
I just hope that no one will try to neutralise this issue by saying its my cousin's fate or whatever that concerned my cousin that lead to this accident. The fact is, i believe anyone, be it new or experienced drivers.. running on a road even with the worst condition, as long as its meant for a test drive, things will go smooth and not fatal like this. Eye witnesses TOLD me they saw the car was speeding.
For the driver's friends who took the initiative to register themselves into this forum to defend the driver, come on, feel your conscience before you type next time. She's not your cousin, you don't feel the real PAIN. Get it?
Alright, i'll see the driver in Court. Thats all. My last post.. for the rest.. thanks for everything.. especially your concern. Really appreciated. -
Originally posted by obzerver:Its very interesting to note that you are coming clean with the above after going round the bush earlier.
So this is what you're establishing now:
(1) You know both the SE and the Accused
(2) You were supposed to have lunch with the SE prior to the date of accident
(3) You asked the Accused to go Agent but didn't specify who to see?
Wow...sorry I don't buy your bull. Think of it, if I had a friend who is a Sales Agent, and if my friend wants to buy a car, I'll be sure to refer the potential buyer to my friend.
Now my attention is not to blame you for the cause of the SE's death. Rather, I'm scrutinising each and every twist you're concocting for whatever the bull reason I've yet to come to conclude.
You do have a wide mind of imagination.
Whatever bull reason u think he is coming out with is non of mine or his Biz.
He is just came in to state the happenings of the accident.
Accept it or not is up to u. The mind, hand and mouth is yours. No one can stop u. There is a saying "it's just my opinion, I can care less on what u think otherwise."
What ever whether he did or did not ask the accused to go find the sales agent or not is non of our concern. Like u said, U would if it were u.
2ndly, they went down initially cos the buddy of the accused was interested in the RX8. The MX5 was never in the picture innitially.
This is all i Know.
I'm Not SpoonX and neither do i know the accused or the deseased.. so I dun know the truth and cannot be bothered to ask him unless he tells me himself cos unlike u, asking him does makes him worse as that is not the whole Jizz of how the accident occur and doesn't help in any case even if it's intro or whatsoever.
Neither is Spoon X the driver or the deseased. He only relayed what he knows from reports to general public so as to let pple know the whole picture and how a car can flip and cos such serious accident even without the need of really speeding so that more can learn from this tragedy. Never once did he mention that the driver is not at fault at all.
Lastly the truth is only known by the Accused and the deseased. So what ever any one of us say here is only speculationg. Even the reports from spoonX is also just reports from i also dun know where. It's just up to u to beleive or not.
There are only few facts and truth we know:
1. The accident happened.
2. The poor SE died.
3. The driver will face guilt and punishment from the law.
Unless the driver comes out and tells the truth, the rest are just speculations and reports. The above are the only truth that we will ever know.
So whatever u wan to think ar assume or point out or just to proof a point(like what i'm doing u may say) or scorn or whatever shit is non of mine or his biz. The mind is yours and yours to control.
Right now rather than breaking up the so call truth u so strongly beleive in, I rather let's do practical by doing what we can do for the SE family rather than be hypocritical here in the forum pointing fingers and acting detective.
This is my last reply to u as SpoonX told me not to bother about anything said in here as this is a forum and there will be pple coming in to put others down with their theories and beleives if not it will not be called a forum and if i continue this useless debate i'll be just degrading oneself to the same level. He was telling me "ever wondered y no one really quoted this guy on his questions? cos it's more of a personal attack not relating to the accident at all and most pple are more interested on how the accident happen and not making another victim feel bad. For all u know this person might (just an assumption by him) know me and has personal grudges against me." He has already done what he could by saying what he knows as a person at the scene and knowing both driver and deceased and what ever others want to think is non of his biz.
Anyway safe riding or driving to all. -
if the law does take into account remoursefulness and feeling of guilt, then I think alot of drug traffickers could have been spared the gallow's pole already.Originally posted by Icemoon:yah .. but the law does take into account his remoursefulness when passing the sentence. at least that's how most defence laywers will argue.
if he is remourse I think he should be strong enough to take whatever punishment because the pain and suffering in prison and without a driving license will not be as bad as losing your only child to a reckless driver. -
pls la, ppl oredi said dis is accident lor, not murder what.Originally posted by Gazelle:if the law does take into account remoursefulness and feeling of guilt, then I think alot of drug traffickers could have been spared the gallow's pole already.
if he is remourse I think he should be strong enough to take whatever punishment because the pain and suffering in prison and without a driving license will not be as bad as losing your only child to a reckless driver.
u got study physics or not?
driver not speed lor how to consider murder?
and its not ENTIRELY e driver's fault mah.
u got read e whole thread or not? -
Why does your nick sound like mine?Originally posted by mamaphilia:pls la, ppl oredi said dis is accident lor, not murder what.
u got study physics or not?
driver not speed lor how to consider murder?
and its not ENTIRELY e driver's fault mah.
u got read e whole thread or not?
-
What has happened has happened.
A precious girl in her prime, died and it was really tragic to see this happen.
Although the boy is to be blame for the incident, no doubt at this point in time, he must be extremely disturbed and traumatised. I think cases like this, probably a lifetime ban in driving.
The bottomline is, I see too many people saving up every little cent that they earned. I think it is justifiable to use some of it to do things that we like, splurge a bit once in a while. Because we will never know what will happen tommorrow.
Also, buy some insurance for god's sake. Half of the people around me doesn't even have a insurance policy. They are simply not prepared for these incidents if it were to happen on them. -
So you are saying there is no such thing as a mitigation plea from the defence?Originally posted by Gazelle:if the law does take into account remoursefulness and feeling of guilt, then I think alot of drug traffickers could have been spared the gallow's pole already.
if he is remourse I think he should be strong enough to take whatever punishment because the pain and suffering in prison and without a driving license will not be as bad as losing your only child to a reckless driver. -
insurance?
-
Originally posted by ninelives:
This is very .. interesting. Seems to contradict what was said by SpoonX.
I just hope that no one will try to neutralise this issue by saying its my cousin's fate or whatever that concerned my cousin that lead to this accident. The fact is, i believe anyone, be it new or experienced drivers.. running on a road even with the worst condition, as long as its meant for a test drive, things will go smooth and not fatal like this. Eye witnesses TOLD me they saw the car was speeding.
Btw .. do you know SpoonX or not? He should be quite prominent at the wake. He is the guy who was supposed to have lunch with the deceased the very next day. -
just wait for the trial.
-
how long ah? The Cpl Chua NUH case like take so many years then resolved.Originally posted by dragg:just wait for the trial.