Once in a while, I just check around for car prices just for the heck of it. I thought Hyundais were popular mainly due to their attractive prices. But this time, I found that some of Hyundai's prices have now exceeded other popular and more established Japanese makes!

Hyundai Getz 1.4 5-Door Auto = $ 52,999 (Reference)

Suzuki Liana 1.6 Sedan Auto = $ 50,500 (Reference)

Toyota Vios 1.5 Sedan Auto = $ 50,217 (Reference) - look for price list on top

Nissan Sunny 1.6 Auto = $ 52,300 (Reference)

Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6 CVT = $ 49,988 (Reference)

The only two exceptions I could think of were Honda Jazz and Subaru Impreza, both of which are priced higher than the Getz.

Yet there are so many Getz cars on the roads. Could it be the first signs of Koreans overtaking the Japs?

u did not do ur homework at all

Corolla Altis- 1600 Seda VVTi Auto Deluxe ZZE121R-GEPNKT - 57179

from borneo motors website

dun give me the excuse that the Altis and the Getz are of different class cos u included the Lancer and Sunny which are 1.6 also and I have no idea why u also excluded the Impreza TS

BTW, ur comparison is totally unfair, cos u left out the European brands.

Fiat Punto 1.4 is easily 70k. Ford focus 1.4 is 58k

In short, the Getz still need alot of work, also price is not a good indicator quality.

Originally posted by casshern:

u did not do ur homework at all

Corolla Altis- 1600 Seda VVTi Auto Deluxe ZZE121R-GEPNKT - 57179

from borneo motors website

dun give me the excuse that the Altis and the Getz are of different class cos u included the Lancer and Sunny which are 1.6 also and I have no idea why u also excluded the Impreza TS

BTW, ur comparison is totally unfair, cos u left out the European brands.

Fiat Punto 1.4 is easily 70k. Ford focus 1.4 is 58k

In short, the Getz still need alot of work, also price is not a good indicator quality.

Of course I didn't do my homework properly lah....because its not my homework mah.

Perhaps the title was misleading - I meant it as a comparison between Getz and the Jap cars.

What I did was take the Getz Auto and compared it with others in its class (1.4-1.6 litre auto). Since Getz is the lowest priced model in the Hyundai range, I compared it with other lowest priced models of other brands (in the 1.4-1.6 litre range). Thus, Vios and not Altis.....thus, Sunny and not Latio....etc.

True, price is not an indication of quality, but when prices are high and sales are still good, it is an indication of demand. This is what I meant by Koreans overtaking the Japs (by being able to popularise their products, with higher prices).

Just like you, I'm still doubtful of Korean quality (and on this, I speak from personal experience ).

I think gentlerock's analysis is correct. It is trying to show that Getz is even more expensive then those above its class of Jap make (eg Lancer, Sunny).

Altis and Contis should not be dragged into this comparison as they are of different class (in this manner, of higher class), and naturally would be more expensive then Getz.

Originally posted by gentlerock:

Of course I didn't do my homework properly lah....because its not my homework mah.

Perhaps the title was misleading - I meant it as a comparison between Getz and the Jap cars.

What I did was take the Getz Auto and compared it with others in its class (1.4-1.6 litre auto). Since Getz is the lowest priced model in the Hyundai range, I compared it with other lowest priced models of other brands (in the 1.4-1.6 litre range). Thus, Vios and not Altis.....thus, Sunny and not Latio....etc.
there's a very big difference btw the 1.4 to 1.6 , they are of totally different class, so if u wan to look at it, u should only be looking at 1.4 cars only for the best comparision

True, price is not an indication of quality, but when prices are high and sales are still good, it is an indication of demand. This is what I meant by Koreans overtaking the Japs (by being able to popularise their products, with higher prices).
neither can demand indicate quality. if something is cheap, most singaporeans will just rush in to buy. and relatively the Getz is a cheap car for its capability and its target niche market

Just like you, I'm still doubtful of Korean quality (and on this, I speak from personal experience ).

Originally posted by sir_boris:

I think gentlerock's analysis is correct. It is trying to show that Getz is even more expensive then those above its class of Jap make (eg Lancer, Sunny).

Altis and Contis should not be dragged into this comparison as they are of different class (in this manner, of higher class), and naturally would be more expensive then Getz.

Altis and the Ford should not be in this comparsion? den why is the nissan and sunny in there since all the 4 of them are 1.6 litre cars, not 1.4. by including the sunny and lancer in the above comparsion, its implying that Mitsubishi and Nissan had failed to counter attack the 1.6 litre market that was dominated by toyota?

I like gentle's analysis on the demand "indicator"

However, i've to agree that the comparison isnt entirely fair. if sunny in, so must altis. but they'r both 1.6.

Hatch target different market segments. the young and the trendy. thats why they usually command higher price than their "old fashioned" sedans counterparts.

maybe u should bring in Jazz, madza2, rio

Originally posted by casshern:

there's a very big difference btw the 1.4 to 1.6 , they are of totally different class, so if u wan to look at it, u should only be looking at 1.4 cars only for the best comparision

This is exactly my point. If the Getz 1.4 could be more expensive than a Jap 1.6, and the Getz is still selling well, then I would consider the Getz as somewhat a success.

(ie. I've compared Getz 1.4 to some Jap 1.6...and Getz was more expensive).

Originally posted by casshern:

neither can demand indicate quality.

I agree that price and demand are not necessarily indications of quality. But I never mentioned or implied that the Getz was selling well due to its quality.

This is why I'm amazed at the success of the Getz, and at how Hyundai managed to create enough demand to sell the Getz successfully, even at higher prices than some popular Jap brands.

Originally posted by casshern:

if something is cheap, most singaporeans will just rush in to buy. and relatively the Getz is a cheap car for its capability and its target niche market

Right - and this is the reason why I'm amazed that people still choose the Getz (more expensive) over the Lancer, Vios, etc (which are cheaper).

Actually, many people around the world also have the tendency to rush to buy cheap things lah. Pricing attractiveness is a very powerful weapon in marketing.

To clarify again, as mentioned in my first paragraph, this was a comparison between the Getz and some well-established Jap marques which I've listed.

Originally posted by pbeyondp:

maybe u should bring in Jazz, madza2, rio

I tried Mazda's website leh....but couldn't find pricing.

Actually, it was my fault that the title was misleading....perhaps I should have written it as "Getz is more expensive than some Jap cars in its class". This is the reason why I didn't compare it with other Korean cars.

52K for a getz? Might as well get a 1.5l suzuki swift.

OK OK....to illustrate my point simply, lets just take a simple comparison of two cars: The Getz and the Vios.

Getz: More expensive than Vios, reputed to drink more fuel, Korean brand (deemed by market to be technically inferior to Japs, rightly or wrongly).

Vios: Cheaper then Getz, supposedly economical to run, comes from the best-selling Japanese brand.

Based on the above, I would expect people to lean more towards the Vios. Yet, from everyday situations on the roads (I don't have the exact sales figures) the number of Getz on the roads probably can rival that of the Vios. Hyundai really did a real good job in creating demand for the Getz.

Maybe I should send my boss to Hyundai for some marketing training (He's always asking me to sell at lower prices to get more volume - and I keep telling him to be patient and build up demand for our products first).

Originally posted by ditzy:

52K for a getz? Might as well get a 1.5l suzuki swift.

hannor

u forgot about the Road Tax factor, which plays a very very big part in Singapore on owning a car

Originally posted by casshern:

u forgot about the Road Tax factor, which plays a very very big part in Singapore on owning a car

Yes you're right - road tax is an important factor.

Actually, I have heard people say this: "huh? 1.6 ah? Don't want lah, road tax so high. Buy 1.3 enough mah".

1.6 road tax high???

1.4 780
1.5 874
1.6 950
1.8 1242
2.0 1548

Btw 1.4 and 1.6 different is $170 per yr. And u are paying 52k for a 1.4l car which infact you can get a cheaper 1.5l or same price of 1.6l.

Why don't compare cc to cc, Kia Rio & Cerato, mazda 2, Honda City & jazz, Hyundai Verna & Matrix, Nissan March, Mit Colt, Toyota Yaris?

Had saw few accident involve Getz, don't really impress with it!

my suggestion is, if u can, dun buy korean car...

i had some bad experiences in US before when i rent the Korean car...

now when i go to US for the business trip, i always asked for the japs car....

Originally posted by gentlerock:

Once in a while, I just check around for car prices just for the heck of it. I thought Hyundais were popular mainly due to their attractive prices. But this time, I found that some of Hyundai's prices have now exceeded other popular and more established Japanese makes!

Hyundai Getz 1.4 5-Door Auto = $ 52,999 (Reference)

Suzuki Liana 1.6 Sedan Auto = $ 50,500 (Reference)

Toyota Vios 1.5 Sedan Auto = $ 50,217 (Reference) - look for price list on top

Nissan Sunny 1.6 Auto = $ 52,300 (Reference)

Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6 CVT = $ 49,988 (Reference)

The only two exceptions I could think of were Honda Jazz and Subaru Impreza, both of which are priced higher than the Getz.

Yet there are so many Getz cars on the roads. Could it be the first signs of Koreans overtaking the Japs?

Originally posted by T.Ryousuke:

1.6 road tax high???

1.4 780
1.5 874
1.6 950
1.8 1242
2.0 1548

Btw 1.4 and 1.6 different is $170 per yr. And u are paying 52k for a 1.4l car which infact you can get a cheaper 1.5l or same price of 1.6l.

Why don't compare cc to cc, Kia Rio & Cerato, mazda 2, Honda City & jazz, Hyundai Verna & Matrix, Nissan March, Mit Colt, Toyota Yaris?

Had saw few accident involve Getz, don't really impress with it!

FYI, not everyone can comfortablely afford a car, so that 170 dollars a year makes a big difference when u are paying it together with ur insurance.

and yes, i also think that for a fair comparison, CC to CC is the best. include all cars tat are 1.4 Litre, and take a look at the prices. tats the only fair comparison.

and yes, i saw Getz totally smashed up, not really total loss while the other japanese car (shall not mention brand) only had the bumper up lorry. its quite a difference if u see them side by side

i can see u

Japanese car is usually too common on the road. Japanese car usually has a lighter car body weight in its class. So maybe some buyers consider Korea car because the car is heavier in its class. These buyers have a mentality to think that heavier car is more safe and stable. Fuel consumption between Jap and Korea car are reasonable to these buyers. Korea cars usually have a more roomy interior space compare to Japanese car of the same class. These maybe some of the reasons to generate more sales to Korea car.

Originally posted by casshern:

FYI, not everyone can comfortablely afford a car, so that 170 dollars a year makes a big difference when u are paying it together with ur insurance.

and yes, i also think that for a fair comparison, CC to CC is the best. include all cars tat are 1.4 Litre, and take a look at the prices. tats the only fair comparison.

and yes, i saw Getz totally smashed up, not really total loss while the other japanese car (shall not mention brand) only had the bumper up lorry. its quite a difference if u see them side by side

If someone tell me $170 is alot if he want to buy a car, then I suggest dun buy. 1.4 and 1.6 in the past can have a difference of 20k , and if insurance is also a problem then I think better stay away from Honda Civic. I think the price he quoted is a 1.6 Getz not a 1.4! Comparing all car cost, Toyota is still the best.

Kia and Hyundai are petrol drinker. Not all Jap car are reliable and high resale value. Lazy abit just see what car had the most on the road then buy loh, nowaday many buyers know how to calculate liao. If you want to be odd one out, then prepare to pay more eg Mazda 3 and Sunny- common compliant FC very high. QQ- not safe! Lancer can consisder but CVT is a problem.

Just one question! Anyone calculate the profit dealer made for a car they sell?
They can be alot difference, ranging from 8k to 30k.

http://www.petrolwatch.com.sg/carbuyer.php

if neighbours see me driving a korean car...i lose face sia...

thats why i always use Jap cars

Originally posted by Thailand_Hero:

if neighbours see me driving a korean car...i lose face sia...

thats why i always use Jap cars

So if they see you drive something continental, they bow down to you?

jap cars are not as fuel efficient as many of us think. wonder why also.

quoted recently, latest nissan 1.5 model, max out 12km/L, avg 11km/L. the toyota 1.6 too.

i'm driving a conti 1.6 100kg heavier, going 15km/L max out 13.5km/L avg.

used to drive 1.5 corolla g9, could easily do 14km/L.

Originally posted by ditzy:

So if they see you drive something continental, they bow down to you?

no but at least people dont look down on u