http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 en-US 60 <p>there are no dangerous roads only dangerous drivers</p> Sun, 18 May 2008 02:35:21 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8094125 SexFrenzy http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>Neo Tiew Road</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 16:41:25 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8075963 JJxJJ http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Elysium7:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Speaking of other dangerous roads, I am genuinely scared of the roundabout at just outside Newton Circus there, off Bukit&nbsp;Timah and close to Newton MRT on Scotts Road. It would be a nightmare in terms of congestion, but I still think they should install traffic lights there because so many people don't know how to properly use a roundabout and what lane they should be in etc.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Yeah totally bonkas, that roundabout. The lanes should be wider. :(</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 15:30:01 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8075861 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Elysium7:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>That really curvy road, I think its South Buona Vista road?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Travelled along south buona vista road for the first time today, which one sharper ar? devils bend or this one? Going slow is fine but oncoming traffic travels pretty quickly.</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 15:29:21 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8075860 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Elysium7:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Speaking of other dangerous roads, I am genuinely scared of the roundabout at just outside Newton Circus there, off Bukit&nbsp;Timah and close to Newton MRT on Scotts Road. It would be a nightmare in terms of congestion, but I still think they should install traffic lights there because so many people don't know how to properly use a roundabout and what lane they should be in etc.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> There is indeed a traffic light there, BUT it's only operational during peak hours, The rest of the day, you are on your own.</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 15:17:06 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8075843 Ferrari_RoXz http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Elysium7:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Speaking of other dangerous roads, I am genuinely scared of the roundabout at just outside Newton Circus there, off Bukit&nbsp;Timah and close to Newton MRT on Scotts Road. It would be a nightmare in terms of congestion, but I still think they should install traffic lights there because so many people don't know how to properly use a roundabout and what lane they should be in etc.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> even if you've traffic lights it wun solve the prob esp if the traffic light goes red very very fast</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 11:08:51 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8075308 sbst275 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>Speaking of other dangerous roads, I am genuinely scared of the roundabout at just outside Newton Circus there, off Bukit&nbsp;Timah and close to Newton MRT on Scotts Road. It would be a nightmare in terms of congestion, but I still think they should install traffic lights there because so many people don't know how to properly use a roundabout and what lane they should be in etc.</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 09:28:51 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8075100 Elysium7 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>Boonlay… always see accidents around that area.. i think its eerie.. eeyer!!!</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 02:31:27 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8074898 Dan_on_MonsterTruck http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>Drove past the junction earlier on, no wonder the jam from all four corners. I think it was a light blue Chevy, no idea which model though.</p> <p>Yeah drainage needs to be improved, especially along Paya Lebar area of the PIE. Always see vehicles pulled up along the road shoulder during heavy downpour. It's impossible to see beyond the windscreen. Even wipers are not fast enough.</p> Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:52:58 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8040890 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>if raining, all road seems dangerous… Especially expressway where sudden ponding is there…</p> Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:48:00 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8040883 caleb_chiang http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>There are no "dangerous" roads, just tricky ones. Only dangerous drivers.... Some exceptions though, inherently slippery roads and landslide prone. But give a reckless driver a straight road; he'll find a way to crash his ride one way or the other. South Bouna Vista Rd is pretty dope when u driving at night. But hey, it's all fun and games till someone dies...&nbsp; <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/set1/wink.png" alt= "wink.png" />&nbsp;By the way there was a crash between a Chevy and a mobile crane of all things today, at the Bedok North/ Chai Chee junction. Straight road.., just couldn't wait for the right turn arrow I guess... case in point... there's no point.</p> Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:38:32 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8040861 Naughtius Maximus http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>And come to think of it nothing beats this: <strong>North Yungas Road, aka “Road of Death”, Bolivia</strong></p> <p><img src= "http://travellingboard.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/death-road.jpg" height="344" alt="" width="500" /></p> Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:56:11 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037541 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> i hate that place. jam like mad on peak hours.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>it's always empty during the hours i drive by the area!</p> Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:53:57 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037533 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by soleachip:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>yah for me also. actually taking the ecp rochor exit need to be cautious also because it comes to a rather abrupt traffic junction after the downward slope. always take extra care around that area.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> i hate that place. jam like mad on peak hours.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:57:42 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037377 alwaysdisturbed http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>i have to know then i can avoid mah. somemore if i have to use it i will exercise more caution.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>yah for me also. actually taking the ecp rochor exit need to be cautious also because it comes to a rather abrupt traffic junction after the downward slope. always take extra care around that area.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:53:09 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037362 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Pitot:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Dont get me wrong. Road designs and surface do require consideration. That is why the rest of us have been saying its all common sense.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>It is precisely why most drivers make it thru safely and why some end up crashing.</p> <p>That is because most of them took the parameters into consideration and drove within the safe limit. While some chose not to and end up in the ditch. This has to be determined by the road user. Which is why human errors are formed = accident.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>very true. i agree. you're spot on dude.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:51:31 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037358 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by soleachip:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>You siao ar. People try avoiding accident prone areas you on the other hand want to find them. <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/BoxedEmoticonSet/confused.png" alt= "confused.png" /></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>i have to know then i can avoid mah. somemore if i have to use it i will exercise more caution.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:48:36 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037344 alwaysdisturbed http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by soleachip:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>If you believe road accidents are only caused by human and mechanical errors, then bo bian up to you lah. Everyone has different opinion mah. If you think road designs, surface, wet and dry conditions don't require consideration, then nevermind lah.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Dont get me wrong. Road designs and surface do require consideration. That is why the rest of us have been saying its all common sense.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>It is precisely why most drivers make it thru safely and why some end up crashing.</p> <p>That is because most of them took the parameters into consideration and drove within the safe limit. While some chose not to and end up in the ditch. This has to be determined by the road user. Which is why human errors are formed = accident.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:43:47 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037326 Pitot http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Pitot:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I don't know leh. From your previous posts, it seems that you are directing the problem towards the road surface and weather.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>If not, the rest of us wouldnt try to explain to you what is going on already.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Same logic again. Why do you see signs asking you to drive safely? Common sense like the others said what.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Nicholl highway has nothing to do with what we are talking about, which is road surface and weather in the first place.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Heh, open to all kinds of discussion lah. Public forum mah. Though simple responses akin to the south buona vista road, old tampines road (that i know liao) and upper thompson area as mentioned by some others are more or less what I'm looking for</p> <p>If you believe road accidents are only caused by human and mechanical errors, then bo bian up to you lah. Everyone has different opinion mah. If you think road designs, surface, wet and dry conditions don't require consideration, then nevermind lah.</p> <p>I listed the nicoll highway as an example of how transport engineering can play an inconspicuous role in accidents as well.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:37:26 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037302 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by soleachip:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>nnb no one is blaming the goddamn road lah wah lao eh. why the drama?</p> <p>on the topic of road accidents, yeah sure human factors (drivers/speed etc) and mechanical (vehicles) factors play a big part, but to say roads and traffic design/engineering are things you should not question and consider is a sweeping statement lah.&nbsp;</p> <p>nicoll highway leh?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>I don't know leh. From your previous posts, it seems that you are directing the problem towards the road surface and weather.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>If not, the rest of us wouldnt try to explain to you what is going on already.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Same logic again. Why do you see signs asking you to drive safely? Common sense like the others said what.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Nicholl highway has nothing to do with what we are talking about, which is road surface and weather in the first place.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:26:53 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037276 Pitot http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Pitot:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>They play a part to make our roads safer. But to avoid accidents, its the driver who is at fault.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I don't see how we can blame the road. Or weather it just doesnt work that way in insurance or court.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>This is really absurd. If its a accident, it means something unatural happened.</p> <p>Roads and weather are dead fixtures which we cant change. When i say roads i am talking about paved roads in singapore which you are asking about in the first place.</p> <p>Like stella said earlier, if so many other drivers can drive safely why cant the rest? The ones who got thru safely were lucky?</p> <p>Absurd! haha.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>nnb no one is blaming the goddamn road lah wah lao eh. why the drama?</p> <p>on the topic of road accidents, yeah sure human factors (drivers/speed etc) and mechanical (vehicles) factors play a big part, but to say roads and traffic design/engineering are things you should not question and consider is a sweeping statement lah.&nbsp;</p> <p>nicoll highway leh?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:22:08 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037257 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by soleachip:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Hmmm... this was what came up:</p> <p><strong><span style="font-size: x-small;">Reduction of speed limit for South Buona Vista Road:</span></strong></p> <p><span style="font-size: x-small;">South Buona Vista Road is a winding two-lane, two-way, stretch of road. We received feedback from motorists that they find it dangerous to negotiate the bends at high speeds. Speed-related accidents accounted for about 60% of accidents in 2003 and 2004 along this stretch of road. LTA and TP will reduce the road speed limit from 50 km/h to 40km/h for the safety of motorists.</span></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>That is why you excercise control when driving.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Cause of accidents at this stretch of the roads 60% are speed related which means human error.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:18:53 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037247 Pitot http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by soleachip:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Sometimes we need to feedback also mah. Keeping to speed limits don't guarantee absolute road safety. Sometimes the speed limit may need adjustments and revisions as well.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> speeding is usually the main factor for accidents</p> <p>if you feel 50kph too fast, you've your own freedom to go slower</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:18:50 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037244 sbst275 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by sbst275:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>only thing i sometimes cannot blame drivers is over jaywalkers esp those who just dash across the road</p> <p>somemore just beside there's a overhead bridge</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>common sense lacking from the jaywalkers.&nbsp; lol~</p> <p>it all leads to accidents</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:18:50 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037245 kopiosatu http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467 <p>its a speed limit</p> <p>not a "must go at that speed" number plate</p> <p>it is the drivers descretion whether to go slower than the speed limit.</p> Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:17:59 +0800 www.sgforums.com:2:315467:8037238 kopiosatu http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/315467