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  • gobez14's Avatar
    1,364 posts since Apr '07
    • pls help

       

      1.show that x^2+hx+k=o has two distinct roots fer al;l negative valuse of k

      2. find the values of k for which the x axis is a tangent to the curve y=3x^2-8x+5-k.For each value of k,find the coordiantes ffor the point of tangency.

      3.Find the range of values of k for whch the equation x^2 +5x+3=k has two real and distinct roots

       

       

      qn 3. i noe how to do but answer differnt from answer key so nid clarification  

       

      thks in advacne

  • FirePig's Avatar
    1,183 posts since Mar '08
    • 1. prove b^2-4ac is always positive for negative values of k

      2. b^2-4ac=0 (basically real and repeated root case)

      3. b^2-4ac>0 (More hints: bring the k to the left hand side, then compute b^2-4ac>0)

      Edited by FirePig 16 Mar `08, 1:53PM
  • gobez14's Avatar
    1,364 posts since Apr '07
    • can gimme final answer fer qn 2 and 3 ma i want check cuz my answer different from answer key i dunno is answer key wrong or i wrng

  • gobez14's Avatar
    1,364 posts since Apr '07
    • and can show mi the steps fer qn1 too? i understand alr but i dunno how to present teh proof

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    eagle's Avatar
    17,967 posts since Aug '01
    • Originally posted by gobez14:

      and can show mi the steps fer qn1 too? i understand alr but i dunno how to present teh proof

      x^2+hx+k=0

      discriminant = h^2 - 4(1)(k) = h^2 -4k

      h^2 is greater or = 0
      k is always -ve, thus -4k is always +ve

      Therefore h^2 - 4k is always +ve, ie >0

      Thus, since determinant is always >0, equation will always have 2 distinct roots

      Edited by eagle 16 Mar `08, 2:49PM
  • FirePig's Avatar
    1,183 posts since Mar '08
    • discriminant, not determinant.

      BTW, ts. h^2 is always >= 0 regardless of whether h is positive or negative.

      Edited by FirePig 16 Mar `08, 2:42PM
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    eagle's Avatar
    17,967 posts since Aug '01
    • Q2) x-axis tangent to the curve => curve touches the line y=0 only 1 time

      so 3x^2-8x+5-k = 0 at only 1 point => 1 root

      discriminant = 0
      64 - 4(3)(5-k) = 0
      4+12k = 0
      k = -1/3 => help me check... all done without using paper... so not confirmed

      Find value of x: 2 methods

      1st method:
      3x^2-8x+16/3 = 0
      9x^2-24x+16 = 0
      (3x - 4)^2 = 0
      x=4/3
      and y = 0 (on x-axis mah)
      coordinates: (4/3, 0)

      2nd method:
      obviously, for an x^2 curve, ie curve with smiling face, the minimum point will be the point at tangent with the x-axis.
      so dy/dx = 6x-8
      x = 4/3 (same answer)

       

      Edited by eagle 16 Mar `08, 2:48PM
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    eagle's Avatar
    17,967 posts since Aug '01
    • Originally posted by FirePig:

      discriminant, not determinant.

      BTW, ts. h^2 is always >= 0 regardless of whether h is positive or negative.

      Ok changed... Thanks...

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    17,967 posts since Aug '01
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