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WoAiMeiMei — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:11:52 +0800

yup ^^ thanks for the help guys

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eagle — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:59:54 +0800

yup my mistake there... But you get the drift I hope...

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WoAiMeiMei — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:56:21 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

so at t = 11, x = 292.42m
v = 35.75m/s
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is that a mistake? x = 262.1666 right ?

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purpledragon84 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:42:20 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

qn nvr state, but can integrate to see mah Anyway that method using calculus foolproof also... acc whether constant or not also can use

And that one ah... simple sec 2... erm... find gradient and y-intercept lor...
Just that TS now uni level, this type of thing should be able to see and do mentally, so I never do out lor...

oh yah hor.. i wasn't thinking along that line... LOL.. i wanted to integrate, but couldn't form eqn.. lol..

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eagle — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:29:51 +0800

Originally posted by purpledragon84:

oh yah ah.. coz the qn nvr state changing acceleration la.. lol..

but wait...

"at t = 0, a = 6.5
at t = 11, a = 0

from there, we can see that a = 6.5 - 6.5t/11"

but i cannot see.. lol.. how u get..?

qn nvr state, but can integrate to see mah Anyway that method using calculus foolproof also... acc whether constant or not also can use

And that one ah... simple sec 2... erm... find gradient and y-intercept lor...
Just that TS now uni level, this type of thing should be able to see and do mentally, so I never do out lor...

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purpledragon84 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:27:53 +0800

oh yah ah.. coz the qn nvr state changing acceleration la.. lol..

but wait...

"at t = 0, a = 6.5
at t = 11, a = 0

from there, we can see that a = 6.5 - 6.5t/11"

but i cannot see.. lol.. how u get..?

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eagle — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:18:06 +0800

1)
A car starts from rest with an initial acceleration 6.5 m/s^2. The acceleration decreases linearly with time to zero in 11 s. After this, the car travels at constant speed. Determine the time required for the car to travel 542 m from the starting position.

at t = 0, a = 6.5
at t = 11, a = 0

from there, we can see that a = 6.5 - 6.5t/11

a = dv/dt = 6.5 - 6.5t/11
so v = 6.5t - 6.5t^2/22 + c

at t = 0, v = 0, so c = 0

thus, dx/dt = v = 6.5t - 6.5t^2/22
x = 3.25t^2 - 6.5t^3/66 + C
t = 0, x = 0, so C = 0

so at t = 11, x = 292.42m
v = 35.75m/s

remaining distance = 542-292.42 = 249.58m

total time taken = 249.58 / 35.75 + 11 =17.98 s

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eagle — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:12:40 +0800

Originally posted by purpledragon84:

v= 0.1498(32.86) = 4.922428, not 0.1498(32.06)... ur answer of 4.802588 came from the latter..

so v = u + at should be

4.922428 = 1.16844 + a(9.6)

a = 0.391m/s^2

your kinematics equation is for constant acceleration. In our case here, the acceleration changes constantly.

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eagle — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:10:13 +0800

2)
The velocity of a particle moving along the x axis is given by v = 0.1498x, where v is in mm/s and x is in mm.
If x=7.8mm when t=0, determine the value of acceleration when t=9.6 s.

as purple dragon has done

and you get C = 13.7

then you need to go back to the equation

a = dv/dt = dv/dx * dx/dt, where dv/dx = 0.1498
at t = 9.6, dx/dt = v = 0.1498 * 32.8 = 4.913

thus, a = 0.736 m/s^2

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purpledragon84 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:08:29 +0800

v= 0.1498(32.86) = 4.922428, not 0.1498(32.06)... ur answer of 4.802588 came from the latter..

so v = u + at should be

4.922428 = 1.16844 + a(9.6)

a = 0.391m/s^2

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WoAiMeiMei — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:35:40 +0800

i dun know : O

ok for q2)

i got u = 1.16844
v = 4.802588
t = 9.6s
using v = u + at
4.802588 = 1.16844 + a(9.6)
a = 0.378557 m/s^2

but it's incorrect. anythign wrong?

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purpledragon84 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:26:03 +0800

ok haha.. whats the ans..? i can work better with answer haha.. or mods can help when they come online bah haha..

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WoAiMeiMei — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:12:29 +0800

thanks.. later i will check. got to finish my essay off. will post after dinner : D

your part a) is correct : D and part b) : D

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purpledragon84 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:36:39 +0800

ok the qn 1 i buay hiao.. so i skip.. haha.. but the qn 2.. its the same as qn A, but a few more steps..

so 1st u form the equation..

v = 0.1498x,

v = dx/dt,

so 0.1498x = dx/dt

by variable separable,

1/(0.1498x) dx = 1 dt

integrate, u get

(1/0.1498) ln x = t + C

sub in t = 0, x = 7.8, u can find C, den sub value of C into eqn, and den sub t = 9.6s, u will get x1 = 32.86

now u have the distance travelled, which is x1-x = 32.86-7.8 =25.05mm

and u have the initial velocity, which is u= 0.1498(7.8) and final velocity v = 0.1498(32.86) so by using v= u +at, where t = 9.6s, u shud find acceleration.. agn, no spoonfeeding.. lol..

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purpledragon84 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:14:56 +0800

for b) u must split it into two segments

the 1st segment u must find the velocity of the rocket at the point the thrusters were turned off.

to do this, use v= u +at

v = 0 + 5*23

v= 115m/s

so at the point when thrusters were turned off, the rocket got velocity of 115m/s

so to find its max height reached, use v^2 = u^2 +2as

v here is the velocity when it reaches its max height, which is basically zero..

so its 0 = 115^2 + 2*9.81*s

from there find s..

but this 's' is only the distance it travelled AFTER the thrusters switched off..

so to find the distance travelled before turned off, i think u can do la hor.. cannot spoonfeed.. s = ut + 1/2*a*t^2..

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purpledragon84 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:06:49 +0800

k i try ah..

a = 8v/100

a = dv/dt

8v/100 = dv/dt

so by variable separable,

1/8v dv = 1/100 dt

integrate both sides,

1/8 ln v = t/100 + C

ln v = 8t/100 +C1, where C1 = 8C

take exp of both side,

v = [e^(8t/100)]*e^C1

when t=2, v=5, so sub in,

5 = [e^0.16]*[e*C1]

den can find e^C1, den sub but in to the eqn since its a constant,

den sub t=10 in..

v = [e^0.8]*[e^C1]

u should get v = 9.48m/s

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WoAiMeiMei — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:57:26 +0800

having trouble with these also :l

1)
A car starts from rest with an initial acceleration 6.5 m/s^2. The acceleration decreases linearly with time to zero in 11 s. After this, the car travels at constant speed. Determine the time required for the car to travel 542 m from the starting position.

2)
The velocity of a particle moving along the x axis is given by v = 0.1498x, where v is in mm/s and x is in mm.
If x=7.8mm when t=0, determine the value of acceleration when t=9.6 s.

past questions:

a)
Given a = 8v/100
where a is in m/s^2 and v is in m/s
and that when t= 2s, v = 5 m/s;
what is the velocity by the time t = 10s?

For question a, it seems i cant integrate normally..

b)
A rocket is fired vertically upward from the surface of the earth. the thrusters are controlled so that the rocket has a constant upward acceleration of 5m/s^2. The thrusters are switched off after 23s from launch. Find the maximum height it reaches before starting to fall bak to the earth.

after the thrusters it will still have an upward velocity..