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  • brokenluv's Avatar
    979 posts since Mar '07
    • 1.5 = ( 1 + k ) ^3
      find k.

      i got to this step : k^3 + 2k^2 + 3k - 0.5 = 0
      and then i got stuck. please help thx!

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    49,393 posts since Sep '03
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  • brokenluv's Avatar
    979 posts since Mar '07
    • Originally posted by ^tamago^:

      1.5 = (1+k)³
      3 = 2(k³+3k²+3k+1)
      2k³+6k²+6k-1=0
      k = 0.1447 ≈ 0.145 (3.s.f)


      i dont understand this step

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    49,393 posts since Sep '03
    • 2k³+6k²+6k-1=0

      is no different from

      k³+3k²+3k-½=0

      which you have gotten. now, this equation cannot be solved directly.

  • brokenluv's Avatar
    979 posts since Mar '07
    • Originally posted by ^tamago^:

      2k³+6k²+6k-1=0

      is no different from

      k³+3k²+3k-½=0

      which you have gotten. now, this equation cannot be solved directly.


      erm its 2k^2, not 3k^2

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    16,349 posts since Aug '01
    • Originally posted by ^tamago^:

      1.5 = (1+k)³
      3 = 2(k³+3k²+3k+1)
      2k³+6k²+6k-1=0
      k = 0.1447 ≈ 0.145 (3.s.f)

      got simpler method

      1.5 = (1+k)³
      cube root(1.5) = (k+1)

      k = cube root(1.5) -1 = 0.145

  • brokenluv's Avatar
    979 posts since Mar '07
    • Originally posted by eagle:

      got simpler method

      1.5 = (1+k)³
      cube root(1.5) = (k+1)

      k = cube root(1.5) -1 = 0.145


      wow thx! i totally forgot my amath after i left sec school

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    49,393 posts since Sep '03
    • Originally posted by eagle:

      got simpler method

      1.5 = (1+k)³
      cube root(1.5) = (k+1)

      k = cube root(1.5) -1 = 0.145


      yeah, but he want solve cubic. :(

  • jay_rocks's Avatar
    34,573 posts since Nov '04
  • brokenluv's Avatar
    979 posts since Mar '07
    • Originally posted by ^tamago^:


      yeah, but he want solve cubic. :(


      haha doesnt matter as long as i get the answer right

  • jiaxing2's Avatar
    15 posts since Jun '08
    • there should be 2 more roots which are complex numbers...

      can be solved by theory of eqn

      sum of the 3 roots = -3

      product of 3 roots = 0.5

      since there are no complex coefficients to the cubic eqn...then if complex roots exist, there exist in conjugate pairs...ie in the form of a + ib and a - ib where a and b are real numbers and i = root of ( -1 )

      let k be the real root.  2a + k = -3

      solving a = - [ 1 + 0.5(1.5)^1/3 ]

      similarly ( a^2 + b^2 ) * k =0.5 (product of 3 roots)

      go solve for b...and u get ur 2 complex roots

      for ur info only...unless this qn carries alot of marks...i dun think u are really required to find out what the complex roots are... 

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    16,349 posts since Aug '01
    • Originally posted by jiaxing2:

      there should be 2 more roots which are complex numbers...

      can be solved by theory of eqn

      sum of the 3 roots = -3

      product of 3 roots = 0.5

      since there are no complex coefficients to the cubic eqn...then if complex roots exist, there exist in conjugate pairs...ie in the form of a + ib and a - ib where a and b are real numbers and i = root of ( -1 )

      let k be the real root.  2a + k = -3

      solving a = - [ 1 + 0.5(1.5)^1/3 ]

      similarly ( a^2 + b^2 ) * k =0.5 (product of 3 roots)

      go solve for b...and u get ur 2 complex roots

      for ur info only...unless this qn carries alot of marks...i dun think u are really required to find out what the complex roots are... 

      No need do so hard to solve the complex roots also

      Simplified version

      (k+1)^3 - (cube root[1.5])^3 = 0

      you can use the formula x^3 - y^3 = (x^2 + xy + y^2)(x-y)
      where x = k+1 and y = cube root of 1.5

      Then you can do the normal use equation to solve for quadratic equations method to determine the final complex roots, in which your discriminant should be -ve

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    16,349 posts since Aug '01
    • Another easy method to solve for k+1 for the complex roots:

      You draw the Im-Real axis. You can also see that one of the roots is cube root of 1.5, which is a real number.

      Then you rotate the point around the origin by 120 degrees (360/3)

      one of the complex roots of k+1 would be:
      - 1.145 sin 30 + 1.145 cos 30 = -0.5725 + 0.9916i

       

       

      I think both of the above methods would be easier than using and understanding theory of equations

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