hi sg pals,

Like to joined christianity but have a hard time choosing bten the 2 ..care to help?

Originally posted by Catknight:

hi sg pals,

Like to joined christianity but have a hard time choosing bten the 2 ..care to help?

join neither, but the hebraic movement.... or rather be a hebraic believer... read the bible and seek the truth for yourself... there many here that would disagree with me but both the protestant and catholic churches do not tell the whole truth. Ask Yahweh to reveal that truth to you...

What flip a coin if it's head go for catholics if it's tail go for Protestant. If it fell on the ground go look for me.

Hmm why don't you try both at the same time first. Attending both the catholic church masses and the protestant one. would be helpful to sought a friend's help so that he/she would accompany you and explain to you this and that.

So my suggestion attend both churches first for a few months if you have to. See what your heart tells you.

Good luck may you find peace and confidence and blessings in Christianity. God bless.

I'm a Catholic myself after awhile I think i'm losing my mind.... .Nah not even a scratch.

Originally posted by breytonhartge:

join neither, but the hebraic movement.... or rather be a hebraic believer... read the bible and seek the truth for yourself... there many here that would disagree with me but both the protestant and catholic churches do not tell the whole truth. Ask Yahweh to reveal that truth to you...

I disagree... on the part that says "read the bible and seek the truth for yourself", a bit on the dangerous part so must tread with utmost care.... very easy to misunderstand or misinterpret is not done correctly... best get someone to mentor/coache/guide you, especially so for seekers or young believers.

*** best learn how to walk before trying to run...

while we are at the topic can someone care to explain the many differences between these 2? and perhaps the rest as well such as prebysterian, 7th day adventist etc..

i know the cross is abit different arnd the edges.

How abt being a Freethinker Christian?

go for the service from both side and decide.
i made my decision after attending a catholic mass.
wad u think??

Originally posted by Cool-gal:

go for the service from both side and decide.
i made my decision after attending a catholic mass.
wad u think??

u became a protestant to protest??

i read the bible myself first. then God led me along.

My aunt is a catholic, so i've been going on and off to a catholic church since i was a kid. but since nobody shared with me about the gospel, i never believed.

so i had this interest in different religions and stuff, mythology etc, i'd spend hours at the library just reading about everything.

at that point of time i have not read the bible yet, i was actually more interested in indian mythology, greek myths etc.

then i read this pamphlet someone gave to me on the streets i think. and suggested that i read it with an open heart, with the heart of an experimental scientist. only interested to find the truth, without being bias.

so i did that, and i proceeded on to read the bible.

Then at that time, my classmate saw that i was reading the bible in class, invited me to a church.

then i stayed with that church until some years later, and my parents converted too, and we moved to our current church.

i tried visiting other churches etc, but it just don't feel comfortable.. so i know that God has led me here to stay.

God will bring u to a church so u can properly grow and serve. =)

more importantly is to have a living relationship with Jesus, then you'll know where you should be.

Originally posted by cApitaland:

while we are at the topic can someone care to explain the many differences between these 2? and perhaps the rest as well such as prebysterian, 7th day adventist etc..

i know the cross is abit different arnd the edges.

the cross is just the cross. some ppl prefer it to be more decorative, some ppl prefer it plain.

but the message is the same.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Originally posted by dumbdumb!:


the cross is just the cross. some ppl prefer it to be more decorative, some ppl prefer it plain.

but the message is the same.

[b]For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.[/b]

So will a murderer and sinful man who merely expressed a belief in Christ be saved? Will hitler (a christian) be saved?

Clearly not because he did not follow the teachings of Christ. This is what that divides Christians - what exactly is the teachings of Christ.

This is why Catholics and Orthodox believes that there is no salvation oputside their own Churches while the early Reformers excommunicated each other with Calvin and Luther famously damning each other and the brutal suppression of the Anabaptist. This idea has existed since the earliest days of Christianity.

Saint Augustine (died A.D. 430): "No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have the sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church." (Sermo ad Caesariensis Ecclesia plebem)

ur serious or trying to start something here

Originally posted by de_middle:

ur serious or trying to start something here

I am serious. The heresy of indifferentism - everyone who utters Lord Lord will be saved despite contradictory teachings - is a flawed teaching that has been rejected by Catholics, Church Fathers and Protestant Reformers. The fact that this long-dead heresy has risen in the modern age is a frightful thought.

Originally posted by vadermanu89:

So will a murderer and sinful man who merely expressed a belief in Christ be saved? Will hitler (a christian) be saved?

Common mistake. The issue is not whether one expressed a believe in Christ to be saved, but does this person have a repentent heart to go with the desire to follow Christ.

Had Hitler repented, he will be saved. No one need to be happy about it. Salvation is a personal thing, it has nothing to do with what other people thing.

Originally posted by Catknight:

hi sg pals,

Like to joined christianity but have a hard time choosing bten the 2 ..care to help?

Seriously, I don't think you will get any answer here. You WILL GET, however, a myriad of confusing answers.

Since Catholics and Protestants are the two groups you'd highlighted, allow me to further classify these two groups into contemporary and liturgical. Among the protestants you will need to go down to the level of denomination focused, or non-denomination.

Depending who you are asking, I am sure you will have received different opinions. The practical way is to go to a church you think you are comfortable with and try it out. The "Christian" answer is: pray about it and allow God to direct you.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

The practical way is to go to a church you think you are comfortable with and try it out.

I agree. Find a friend who is a Christian, and experience the church environment and setting. Then decide if you want to join them.

yeah i agree. I believe that if you seek God with all your heart, He will reveal Himself to you. That's how i landed in my current church and cellgroup =)

in the end, i think its impt to know that God loves you and you have a good active relationship with Christ.

if you're just going through rituals of going to church, and leaving after service and you're just as dried as a prune and there is no joy, no love, no relationship. and its just meaningless.

then its a problem =)

go to a church where you will be motivated to grow in the Lord, where you are surrounded by good godly people. if you're interested, my church's organizing alpha - where you can learn more about who God is, what christianity is all about etc. alot of Q&A. you're more than welcome to join us. =) small group family-oriented environment

Originally posted by sillyme:

I agree. Find a friend who is a Christian, and experience the church environment and setting. Then decide if you want to join them.

So is it alright to become Gnostic, Manichean or Nestorian if you find their worshipping ritual to be more fulfilling?

Originally posted by vadermanu89:

So is it alright to become Gnostic, Manichean or Nestorian if you find their worshipping ritual to be more fulfilling?

Yes. However the context of the question is the choice between Catholism and Protestanism. Therefore the choices you have just given is beyond the scope of the question.

However, my answer to your question is still YES.

Your question is NOT on what happens after death, by which, we will need in the question of theology.

Your question is in relationship on how FULFILLING ONE would like to be during one's lifetime. Therefore the conclusion, if it is fulfilling to oneself, then go for it.

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

Common mistake. The issue is not whether one expressed a believe in Christ to be saved, but does this person have a repentent heart to go with the desire to follow Christ.

Had Hitler repented, he will be saved. No one need to be happy about it. Salvation is a personal thing, it has nothing to do with what other people thing.

interesting thoughts, unker....

maybe can do a poll

1) Repentence first, then Justification&Salvation?
2) Justification&Salvation first, leading to Repentence?

Originally posted by vince69:

interesting thoughts, unker....

maybe can do a poll

1) Repentence first, then Justification&Salvation?
2) Justification&Salvation first, leading to Repentence?

do you think that a poll can prove one way or another?

personally, I feel that all these three conditions need to exist. which comes first or last is not important.

Originally posted by vadermanu89:

So will a murderer and sinful man who merely expressed a belief in Christ be saved? Will hitler (a christian) be saved?

hmm.. i believe that grace is unfair in nature.

i mean, yeah you can berate that God is unfair for loving Hitler even though he caused so much suffering. But all of us have done the same thing wat.

Surely we have bore unkind thoughts to many people throughout our lives. To God, that's as good as murder. Surely we have lusted after girls in our thoughts. To God that's as good as adultery.

A wrongdoing is a wrongdoing. Even though you can't compare to the atrocities of Hitler, but we're no angels ourselves.

What if one day you made a terrible mistake and caused someone to commit suicide?

What if one day you made a terrible mistake and while arguing with someone, you accidentally killed him?

What if one day you really make a mistake of really participating in a murder?

Would you like it if God decided you're not good enough for Him to save you?

The same love that God gives a mass murderer, is the same love He shows to you as well. He loves you not because of what you do or never do, He loves you just because He does, so you will never need to worry if you're good enough.

So yes, I do agree that it does seem unfair that God forgives Hitler, and loves him too. But in a way, it is fair, because if God loves Hitler so much, He loves me that much too. And that's alot of love to give

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

do you think that a poll can prove one way or another?

personally, I feel that all these three conditions need to exist. which comes first or last is not important.

actually it does, the emphasis is on initiative

case (1)
Our repentance qualify us to receive the gift of salvation and Justification that was bought by the sacrifice of Christ.

case (1)
We received the gift of salvation and Justification that was bought by the sacrifice of Christ, and this act grace bring us to repentence.

This is similar to the arguement on whether
Its our good works plus faith in Christ that save us
or
Its faith in Christ that save us and that lead us to good works.
?

Originally posted by vince69:

actually it does, the emphasis is on initiative

case (1)
Our repentance qualify us to receive the gift of salvation and Justification that was bought by the sacrifice of Christ.

case (1)
We received the gift of salvation and Justification that was bought by the sacrifice of Christ, and this act grace bring us to repentence.

This is similar to the arguement on whether
Its our good works plus faith in Christ that save us
or
Its faith in Christ that save us and that lead us to good works.
?

my point is - we can argue till kingdom on which one comes first.

I didn't say that they are unimportant per se, but trying to rank them is pointless.

Your example is kinda warp to me.... good works will never save us, with or without faith. Therefore it is faith that save us + the heart of repenting.

However I believe that because of our faith in Christ that leads to good works...

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

my point is - we can argue till kingdom on which one comes first.

I didn't say that they are unimportant per se, but trying to rank them is pointless.

Your example is kinda warp to me.... good works will never save us, with or without faith. Therefore it is faith that save us + the heart of repenting.

However I believe that because of our faith in Christ that leads to good works...

actually, you did say they are all important

my approach is not important or not important... all are important... but which leads to which?

faith in Christ, important??? of course
good works in Christ, important??? of course
both are important... but its faith in Christ that saves us, and good works is the result of being saved.

anyway... any further,.... and it will turn into a chicken and egg issue...