Lamentations 2:6

He wrecked his tabernacle as easily as a garden,
destroyed his place of assembly.
ADONAI caused Israel to forget
designated times and Shabbats.
In the heat of his anger
he rejected both king and cohen.

In the light of this verse, are the Jewish people keeping the wrong Shabbat?

hmm.. wat do you think then?

An intriguing discovery.

In the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, page 410 under the heading “Holidays”, I quote:

“1. Sabbath and New Moon (Rosh Hodesh), both periodically recurring in the course of the year. The New Moon is still, and the Sabbath originally was, dependent upon the lunar cycle. Both date back to the nomadic period of Israel. Originally the New Moon was celebrated in the same way as the Sabbath; gradually it became less important, while the Sabbath became more and more a day of religion and humanity, of religious meditation and instruction, or peace and delight of the soul, and produced powerful and beneficent effects outside of Judaism.”

In the recent year and the most recently the months preceeding, I have been looking into the possiblity of a Lunar Shabbat. Could this be the real Shabbat?

and which day is that?

Originally posted by rlsh07:

and which day is that?

really depends on the sighting of the new moon.

in this cycle shabbat would be tomorrow starting from moon rise ending at moon rise on tuesday.

Originally posted by breytonhartge:

in this cycle shabbat would be tomorrow starting from moon rise ending at moon rise on tuesday.

so monday then?

Originally posted by rlsh07:

so monday then?

not monday, but starting monday evening when the moon rises through tuesday and ending tuesday evening..

hmm.. so u will rest on that day?

Originally posted by rlsh07:

hmm.. so u will rest on that day?

yes. no work.

Originally posted by breytonhartge:

yes. no work.

you take off ar?

Originally posted by rlsh07:

you take off ar?

no I run my own business. So I am blessed to be able to keep shabbat.

Originally posted by breytonhartge:

no I run my own business. So I am blessed to be able to keep shabbat.

then what are u going to do then? other than resting?

run your own business. hmm.. wat do u sell?

Originally posted by rlsh07:

then what are u going to do then? other than resting?

run your own business. hmm.. wat do u sell?

usually spend time in the word, fellowship and maybe some parise and worship.

I am an architect and a property developer. I also am a distributor for TRIAS watches and tuning products for BMW. Namely Hartge and Breyton. Also do some graphic design on the side, some of my past clients were sola optical and bridgestone tyres.

I am more of a business person now and have a finger in most things.

Originally posted by breytonhartge:

usually spend time in the word, fellowship and maybe some parise and worship.

I am an architect and a property developer. I also am a distributor for TRIAS watches and tuning products for BMW. Namely Hartge and Breyton. Also do some graphic design on the side, some of my past clients were sola optical and bridgestone tyres.

I am more of a business person now and have a finger in most things.

then gd lo

“Early historical records clearly confirm that very early Gentile Christians also kept the same Sabbath Calendar as the...Nazarenes. This practice was first changed by [Pope] Sixtus in 126 A.D. and later officially changed by a royal Roman decree from the emperor Constantine. Observance of the Sabbath day was made illegal and observance of a "Sunday" of a fixed week was made mandatory for all except farmers. Previous to this time the ROMAN SATURDAY was the FIRST DAY OF THE ROMAN WEEK. The veneration of the Sun in the second century A.D. began to pressure Roman culture to change the first day of their week FROM SATURNDAY TO SUNDAY.”

Satyrday has been the 7th day of the pagan/papal week all the way back to 321 A.D. and not one second further. Prior to this history proves that it was the first day of the pagan week, and Satryday was never a day on Israel’s calendar.

Have you ever heard of a Satyr…

Sunday is the obvious fraud. Only the enemies of YHWH would observe Sunday, in honor of the pagan sun-god. But Sabbatarians everywhere, in spite of themselves, keep Satyrday — a day named after Satan himself.

Very cleverly, the Adversary receives his worship every week, all year long, by sincere folks who believe they are following YHWH.

Friends, what we have here is a dual counterfeit; one is obvious, the other not-so-obvious.

sabbath is on saturday.

for the jews, the week starts on sunday
making the sabbath the saturday.

Originally posted by mrcoconut:

sabbath is on saturday.

for the jews, the week starts on sunday
making the sabbath the saturday.

but sunday is of a pagan gregorian calendar... and it was originally the second day of the week, so I ask again are the jews following the wrong day for shabbat? see my earlier post, it is recorded in Jewish history that they originally followed a lunar shabbat.

Ezekiel 22:26

Her priests have violated My law, and have profaned Mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they showed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from My sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

The days in Scripture do NOT begin at midnight.
The year in Scripture does NOT begin in winter.
The New Moon in Scripture DOES begin the Creator’s months.
So, Sabbath keeper, what gives you the calm assurance that the Gregorian Calendar has preserved the Sabbath when every other aspect of time established by YAH has been corrupted by this beast power?

Quoted from an article Which Calendar does the Creator Recognize?

Leviticus 23:1-3

1. And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying

2. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts [Mo’edim] of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts [Mo’edim].

3. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of YHWH in all your dwellings.

Here is Philo on this issue: THE DECALOGUE, XX (96) It says, ”The fourth commandment has reference to the sacred seventh day that it may be passed in a sacred and holy manner. Some states keep the “holy festival” only once in the month, counting from the new moon, as a day sacred to God; but the nation of the Jews keep every seventh day regularly, after each interval of six days”.