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  • Jamie Zawinski's Avatar
    1,267 posts since Jan '08
    • For almost 2,000 years, Christian missionaries have been trying to convince the Jew to accept their beliefs, and for just as long, the Jew has resisted. The ones who resisted most strongly were those who sought G-d with the most fervor. What was their motivation? Why did we never give in to the missionaries?

      WHY AREN’T WE CHRISTIANS?
      By Aryeh Kaplan

      We hear quite a bit today about a movement called “Jews for Jesus.”
      A small number of Jews seem to be finding the teachings of
      Christianity very attractive. The vast majority of Jews, however, still reject
      these teachings in the most emphatic terms.
      For almost two thousand years, the Christians have been trying to
      win over the Jew. And for the same period of time, the Jew has resisted all
      such overtures. But why? Why don’t we accept Jesus? In short: Why aren’t
      we Christians?
      In order to understand this, we must look at the origin of Christian
      beliefs. Christianity began with a Jew. Jesus lived as a Jew, around the
      same time as many of our greatest Talmudic sages. The great Hillel lived
      just a generation earlier, and Rabbi Akiba, a generation after. Our own
      sources, however, record very little about Jesus’ life. Everything that we
      know about him is found in the Gospels of the New Testament, a book
      written by and for the early Christian church. This book, however, was
      written primarily to further the cause of Christianity, and it is therefore
      impossible to separate the historical person of Jesus from the “Christ”
      required by early Christian theology.
      Soon after the death of Jesus, we find a marked change in the teachings
      of his followers. Christianity as we know it began during this period in the
      work of Paul of Tarsus. Paul, or as he was earlier known, Saul, was a
      disciple of the great Talmudist Rabbi Gamliel, and he began his career by
      actively opposing the early Christians. In a dramatic incident on the road
      to Damascus, Paul converted to Christianity, and later became one of its
      foremost leaders. Although he had never seen Jesus alive, he claimed to
      have spoken to him in spirit. Under Paul’s leadership, many of the distinctive
      doctrines of Christianity were first proclaimed, and, for the most part,
      they have never changed. His teachings are recorded in his Epistles, which
      form the second part of the New Testament.
      WHY AREN’T WE CHRISTIANS? 3
      Among Paul’s major teachings, we find the following:
      1) Jesus was the Messiah or Christ predicted by the Prophets of the Bible
      and awaited by the Jews. He is also the Son of G-d, and like any son, is
      essentially the same as his Father.
      2)Man is evil and sinful. All mankind is damned because of Adam’s sin.
      The Torah cannot save man, since its many commandments make it
      too difficult to keep. The only thing that can prevent man’s utter
      damnation in hell is the belief in Christ.
      3) The Jews were originally G-d’s chosen people, but they were rejected
      when they refused to accept His son, Jesus. The name “Israel,” G-d’s
      chosen people, is no longer carried by the Jew, but by those who
      accept Jesus as the Messiah. Only these share G-d’s love. Everyone else
      is damned in hell.
      4) There is only one law now that Christ has come, and that is love. One
      must follow the example of Christ’s sacrifice, and patiently hope that
      G-d will be gracious in return.
      It is enough to state these articles of Christian faith to see why the Jews
      could not accept them. Taking them one by one, the Jewish viewpoint
      would be:
      1) Jesus could not have been the Messiah. The Prophets predicted a
      world of peace and love after the Messiah’s coming, and this
      certainly does not exist today. Furthermore, any talk of the Messiah
      as being the “son of G-d” is totally unacceptable. In no place do the
      Prophets say that he will be anything more than a remarkable leader
      and teacher.
      2) Although the Torah does speak of Adam’s sin, it teaches that man can
      rise above it. Man might not be able to perfect himself, but it was for
      this reason that G-d gave us the Torah. It is absurd to think that G-d
      would give a Torah that was impossible or too difficult to follow. In no
      place does Judaism teach that one can be saved from damnation by
      mere belief. Any true belief in G-d must lead a person to also follow
      His commandments.
      3) It is impossible to imagine that G-d would ever reject the Jewish
      people. In many places, the Bible clearly states that His covenant with
      them will be forever.
      4) In many places, the Bible says that the Torah was given forever. It is
      therefore impossible to say that it has been replaced by a new law or
      testament. Love alone is not enough, for one must know how to express
      it, and for this, we need the Torah as a guide. Love is only one of the
      Torah’s commandments, and good deeds are its necessary expression.
      Why do we believe these ideas rather than the ones expressed by Paul
      and Christianity?
      For one thing, we see no evidence that Jesus was indeed the Messiah
      expected by Israel. The Messianic promise included such things as perfect
      peace and unity among men, love and truth, universal knowledge and
      4 THE REAL MESSIAH? A Jewish Response to Missionaries
      undisturbed happiness, as well as the end of all evil, idolatry, falsehood
      and hatred. None of these things have been fulfilled by Christianity.
      The Christian answer to this is the simple assertion that all things have
      indeed changed by the coming of Jesus. If the change is not visible, it is
      because man is evil and has not truly accepted Jesus and his teachings.
      Thus, the Messiah or Christ will have to return in order to prove his victory.
      The Jew refuses to accept the excuse that the major prophecies
      concerning the Messiah will only be fulfilled in a “second coming.” He
      expects the Messiah to complete his mission in his first attempt. The Jew
      therefore believes that the Messiah is yet to come.
      But there is also another more important issue at stake than the mere
      identity of the Messiah. Christianity teaches that Jesus was also G-d in
      human form. The Jew sees this as a totally mistaken idea about G-d. It
      makes G-d too small, for in stating that He can assume human form, it
      diminishes both His unity and His divinity.
      We disagree with Christianity not only with regard to belief, but also
      with regard to what man must do. Christianity tends to deny that man’s
      actions are ultimately very useful. The only thing that can save man is his
      utter despair in his own sinfulness, and total dependence on G-d. The
      Jew, on the other hand, believes that man can come close to G-d by
      obeying Him and keeping His commandments.
      Christianity thus starts with one idea about man, while Judaism starts
      with the exact opposite idea.
      Judaism starts with the idea that man is created in the “likeness of
      G-d.” He therefore does not have to go very far to discover the divine,
      both in himself and in others. There is always the opportunity to awaken
      the divine in oneself by obeying G-d’s commandments. The Jew begins
      with this opportunity.
      Christianity, on the other hand, begins with the basic assumption that
      man is depraved and sinful. Left to himself, man is utterly damned. He is
      naturally involved in evil, and must therefore do something to be saved
      from it.
      The first question that the Christian asks is, “What have you done to
      be saved?” To the Jew, this question is almost meaningless. This is not the
      Jewish way of thinking at all. The Jew asks, “How can I serve G-d? How can
      I keep His commandments?” The central focus of Judaism is obeying the
      commandments of the Torah. We look at man and see his greatness, for
      he can obey these commandments and fulfill G-d’s will.
      Christianity teaches that man is so evil that he can never really serve
      G-d. The Torah is too difficult for man. The only thing that man can do is
      believe in Christ and wait for salvation.
      The Jew replies that the very fact that G-d Himself gave us
      commandments and told us to obey them teaches us that we can indeed
      serve G-d and fulfill His will. It is unthinkable that G-d would give His
      people a Torah if it were impossible to keep it.
      WHY AREN’T WE CHRISTIANS? 5
      Although all of Jesus’ disciples were Jews, they could not convince
      their fellow Jews of their teachings. The early dogmas of Christianity
      seemed closer to those of the pagan gentiles than to those of the Jews.
      More and more, Christianity was rejected by the Jews and accepted by the
      gentiles. It thus gradually developed into a gentile church, and its attitude
      toward the Jews became more and more unfriendly. It may have
      constantly appealed to the Jews to convert, sometimes even resorting to
      cruelty and force, but the Jew stood firm. Christianity may have changed
      human history, but it could never win over the Jews. The Jew stood by his
      Torah and walked his own way.
      In essence, there were two Christian teachings that the Jew could
      never accept. Christianity taught that G-d had assumed human form in
      Jesus, and that the Torah no longer mattered. The Jew rejected these two
      dogmas, even under pain of death.
      In rejecting Christianity, Judaism therefore did not reject anything that
      it needed spiritually. There was nothing in all the teachings of Jesus that
      would have added even one iota to the strength of the Torah. If Christianity
      made any contribution at all, it was to the non-Jewish world.
      The Jew knew that his Torah provided him with a unique relationship
      with G-d. Everything that he saw in Christianity seemed to contradict
      this relationship. It is for this reason that throughout the centuries, the
      Jew has found it impossible to accept the teachings of Christianity. He
      believed with perfect faith that G-d had shown him the way, and he had
      no intention of ever leaving it.

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    breytonhartge's Avatar
    7,558 posts since Jun '05
    • JZ, it would help if you describe clearly the direction of your post, why are you posting this? To what purpose and for what reason?

  • Jamie Zawinski's Avatar
    1,267 posts since Jan '08
    • Originally posted by breytonhartge:
      JZ, it would help if you describe clearly the direction of your post, why are you posting this? To what purpose and for what reason?

      oops. i tot this is a judaism forum.

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    breytonhartge's Avatar
    7,558 posts since Jun '05
    • Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:
      oops. i tot this is a judaism forum.

      kekeke... many think so too... but actually messianic jews are not much different form the orthodox ones.

  • Icemoon's Avatar
    12,797 posts since May '03
    • Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:
      oops. i tot this is a judaism forum.

      hey .. Aryeh Kaplan ah .. he has a very famous anti-missionary booklet which I have in my comp too. Mr. Green

  • Icemoon's Avatar
    12,797 posts since May '03
    • Originally posted by breytonhartge:
      kekeke... many think so too... but actually messianic jews are not much different form the orthodox ones.

      oh .. actually a world apart.

      Messianc Jews engage in self-delusion and they are shunned by Christians and Orthodox Jews alike. Laughing

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    breytonhartge's Avatar
    7,558 posts since Jun '05
    • Originally posted by Icemoon:
      oh .. actually a world apart.

      Messianc Jews engage in self-delusion and they are shunned by Christians and Orthodox Jews alike. Laughing

      you think??

  • Icemoon's Avatar
    12,797 posts since May '03
    • Originally posted by breytonhartge:
      you think??

      Everybody is deluded.

      Only Richard Dawkins is right. Twisted Evil

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