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  • Pitot's Avatar
    34,727 posts since Aug '05
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    90 posts since Jan '07
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    659 posts since Jun '03
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    7,291 posts since Jan '07
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    Meia Gisborn's Avatar
    7,560 posts since Feb '05
    • Indeed, a beautiful aircraft!

      Quick observation: it doesn't appear the 747F in the image has the "swing up" nose to allow the loading of cargo from the front. I was under the impression that all 747 freighters had them.

  • Superbus's Avatar
    1,774 posts since Mar '03
    • Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:
      Indeed, a beautiful aircraft!

      Quick observation: it doesn't appear the 747F in the image has the "swing up" nose to allow the loading of cargo from the front. I was under the impression that all 747 freighters had them.

      Simple. This 747 was originally a passenger aircraft. In other words, it was converted to a freighter. That explains the lack of the nose door. Also note that this 747 still have the doors, indicating it was once a passenger aircraft.

      A quick check revealed that this aircraft have been operated by Royal Jordanian Airlines, British Caledonian Airways, British Airways and All Nippon Airways, before being converted to a freighter in August 1997 and subsequently operated by Nippon Cargo Airlines.

      Edited by Superbus 02 Jun `07, 1:16AM
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    659 posts since Jun '03
    • Only Factory JUmbo freighters got the NLC ( Nose Loading Configuration ) but mind you some do not have it due operator's requirements.
      How u doing bro? I had been real busy wz " projects" & taking a breather before next project/travel again. I need a holiday!!

      Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:
      Indeed, a beautiful aircraft!

      Quick observation: it doesn't appear the 747F in the image has the "swing up" nose to allow the loading of cargo from the front. I was under the impression that all 747 freighters had them.
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    Meia Gisborn's Avatar
    7,560 posts since Feb '05
    • Originally posted by Superbus:
      Simple. This 747 was originally a passenger aircraft. In other words, it was converted to a freighter. That explains the lack of the nose door. Also note that this 747 still have the doors, indicating it was once a passenger aircraft.

      A quick check revealed that this aircraft have been operated by Royal Jordanian Airlines, British Caledonian Airways, British Airways and All Nippon Airways, before being converted to a freighter in August 1997 and subsequently operated by Nippon Cargo Airlines.

      Ah, thanks for the explanation! Very Happy

      Is the main cargo door then on the starboard side of the fuselage?

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    Meia Gisborn's Avatar
    7,560 posts since Feb '05
    • Originally posted by megatron:
      Only Factory JUmbo freighters got the NLC ( Nose Loading Configuration ) but mind you some do not have it due operator's requirements.
      How u doing bro? I had been real busy wz " projects" & taking a breather before next project/travel again. I need a holiday!!

      Thanks for the explanation! Very Happy

      Doing fine so far... summer is finally here. Hot, lah!

      Are you planning a holiday soon? Any big and/or interesting projects on the horizon? Very Happy

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    659 posts since Jun '03
    • YES!!! U coming back to WSSS soon?
      Jumbo freighters has one main cargo door on the main deck) portside) and standard 2 lower deck cargo doors.( starboard). n one H5 or bulkhold(starboard).
      The NLC is usually for 20,40ft pallets or LONG cargo.
      Darn,, I missed working on the B74F !!

      Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:
      Thanks for the explanation! Very Happy

      Doing fine so far... summer is finally here. Hot, lah!

      Are you planning a holiday soon? Any big and/or interesting projects on the horizon? Very Happy
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    4,277 posts since Jul '05
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    659 posts since Jun '03
    • cool? what is " cool ?..

      n how are u doing ? LTNS!

      Originally posted by polarsnake:
      Cool man! Cool
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    90 posts since Jan '07
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    megatron's Avatar
    659 posts since Jun '03
    • This is e best I got. it shows the maindeck side cargo door.(portside).
      Got the rest of e acft diagrams but its PDF format & I dont know how to break it from my FCOM. pai sei.

      [quote]Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:
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      Thanks for the explanation! Very Happy

      Doing fine so far... summer is finally here. Hot, lah!

      Are you planning a holiday soon? Any big and/or interesting projects on the horizon? :image

      image

      Edited by megatron 04 Jun `07, 3:59PM
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    Meia Gisborn's Avatar
    7,560 posts since Feb '05
    • Megatron,

      Cool! Thanks for taking the time to upload those illustrations showing the rear loading main deck door. Very Happy

      I'd imagine that particular attention has to be paid to center of gravity issues while loading the cargo through the rear; I've seen images of cargo aircraft resting on their tailskids due to improper loading.

      Which brings up the question: does the rear of the 200F have to be propped up with a rod to prevent the tail from settling during loading?

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    659 posts since Jun '03
    • Heyyy no worries man!! always please to share...

      Yes, the tail of the B747Freighters ( all series including COMBIS and MD11F has a built in slot ( called the JACK PAD ) for the tail support jacks( called the TAIL SUPPORT STANCHION ) to be inserted when acft is going through the loading /unloading process. sometimes they are not avail n this is where loadmasters 'experience n skills come in. knowing the sequence of loading n unloading, bearing in mind that refuelling is going on & when plane is being refuelled, the static CG (on ground ) actually shifts backwards when both main wing tanks are filled.
      Usually this tail support jack is used to keep plane stabilised so that main & lower deck cargo can be offloaded /loaded simultaneously, decreasing the transit time. B747F transit times are usually 3 hours. mind you around 30 pallets & 8 AKEs( containers ) to work on!
      By the way, Jumbos do not have tailskid, I think the B767 & A380 have them.

      (sorry abt the bad quality of photo,)
      hope it helps to answer your query

      Originally posted by Meia Gisborn:
      Megatron,

      Cool! Thanks for taking the time to upload those illustrations showing the rear loading main deck door. Very Happy

      I'd imagine that particular attention has to be paid to center of gravity issues while loading the cargo through the rear; I've seen images of cargo aircraft resting on their tailskids due to improper loading.

      Which brings up the question: does the rear of the 200F have to be propped up with a rod to prevent the tail from settling during loading?

      imageimage

      Edited by megatron 10 Jun `07, 3:34PM
  • dennoc's Avatar
    90 posts since Jan '07
    • (Business Times)SINGAPORE'S first privately-owned cargo airline, Jett8 Airlines Cargo, has just received its air operator's licence and expects to take to the skies by the end of this month...
      ... Jett8 is Singapore's second cargo airline, and the eighth company here to obtain an AOC, after SIA, Silkair, SIA Cargo, Jetstar Asia, Valuair, Tiger Airways and Singapore Technologies group.

  • TIB1186Z's Avatar
    846 posts since Apr '03
    • Unfortunately I would prefer if the livery is somewhat more ‘exciting’ with more colours and design rather than this mostly white livery. Its not going to be easy to see her in Singapore though as most of its scheduled arrivals & departures are in the dead of the night, with early morning arrivals on 2 days only.

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    1,093 posts since Mar '07
  • Airbus330Captain's Avatar
    2,485 posts since Mar '03
    • Yes, it's boring scheme but at least there is something new at Changi.

      So many airlines has already pulled out of Singapore for the past 1-2 years.

      The airline that I missed most is Finnair and her MD-11s. Sad Sad

  • dennoc's Avatar
    90 posts since Jan '07
    • Originally posted by TIB1186Z:
      Unfortunately I would prefer if the livery is somewhat more 'exciting' with more colours and design rather than this mostly white livery. Its not going to be easy to see her in Singapore though as most of its scheduled arrivals & departures are in the dead of the night, with early morning arrivals on 2 days only.

      more paint more cost. not fuel efficient too?

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