On Halal Food replied by Ito_^ @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:52:25 +0800

Ito_^ — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:52:25 +0800

Originally posted by fudgester:

I'd go in-depth, but the arguments for and against declaring catfish and crustaceans halal are really complex. Frankly speaking, I won't know where to start. Lots of scholars have been debating over this to no end.

Read this discussion thread and you'll get an idea of the debate:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/archive/index.php/t-176979.html

As for me, I just follow the majority viewpoint that crustaceans are alright based on the following verse, which makes states that 'the produce of the sea' is lawful:

[b]To hunt and to eat the food of the sea is made lawful for you, a provision for you and the seafarers…
-Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table) Verse 5:96 [/b]

orh.. i see i see.

On Halal Food replied by fudgester @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:27:57 +0800

fudgester — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:27:57 +0800

Originally posted by felirox:

And...we cant eat animals tt lives both in land and water right??

Correct. That leaves out amphibians.

I suppose that's why scholars have been divided over the issue of crustaceans, which can live on both land and water.

On Halal Food replied by felirox @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:26:20 +0800

felirox — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:26:20 +0800

And…we cant eat animals tt lives both in land and water right??

On Halal Food replied by fudgester @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:25:17 +0800

fudgester — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:25:17 +0800

Originally posted by Ito_^:

any reason why? only catfish, crustaceans?

I'd go in-depth, but the arguments for and against declaring catfish and crustaceans halal are really complex. Frankly speaking, I won't know where to start. Lots of scholars have been debating over this to no end.

Read this discussion thread and you'll get an idea of the debate:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/archive/index.php/t-176979.html

As for me, I just follow the majority viewpoint that crustaceans are alright based on the following verse, which makes states that 'the produce of the sea' is lawful:

To hunt and to eat the food of the sea is made lawful for you, a provision for you and the seafarers…
-Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table) Verse 5:96

On Halal Food replied by Ito_^ @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:17:10 +0800

Ito_^ — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:17:10 +0800

Originally posted by fudgester:

When it comes to seafood, if I'm not wrong, catfish and crustaceans are considered makruh by three of the Sunni mazhabs (Hanabali, Shafie, Maliki).

I think the mazhab Hanafi only allows scaled fish.

any reason why? only catfish, crustaceans?

On Halal Food replied by fudgester @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:13:58 +0800

fudgester — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:13:58 +0800

Originally posted by Ito_^:

which food are considered discouraged, but not forbidden?

When it comes to seafood, if I'm not wrong, catfish and crustaceans are considered makruh by three of the Sunni mazhabs (Hanabali, Shafie, Maliki).

I think the mazhab Hanafi only allows scaled fish.

On Halal Food replied by Ito_^ @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:06:31 +0800

Ito_^ — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:06:31 +0800

which food are considered discouraged, but not forbidden?

On Halal Food replied by fudgester @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:56:57 +0800

fudgester — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:56:57 +0800

Originally posted by dinky1409:

what about taking ablution? aurat must also be covered? is it ok to take ablution naked? (cos after shower then want to pray take ablution following the shower)

Uh guys... I suggest that if there are other topics to discuss which are not related to halal food, then you might want to start a new thread.

On Halal Food replied by dinky1409 @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:54:45 +0800

dinky1409 — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:54:45 +0800

what about taking ablution? aurat must also be covered? is it ok to take ablution naked? (cos after shower then want to pray take ablution following the shower)

On Halal Food replied by mathirrahim @ Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:51:23 +0800

mathirrahim — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:51:23 +0800

i still think it's improper to wear singlet for prayer in a mosque.

A mosque is the god's house. Respect is required. Properly attired is advice.

x)

On Halal Food replied by fudgester @ Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:17:42 +0800

fudgester — Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:17:42 +0800

Originally posted by OneDoubleManTayar:

what is the aurat for the men?? from above the navel to below the knees, yes? as long as a person has that part covered with loose clothing then it's ok. what if a person wants to wear the ihram for prayers?? same thing right?

Technically speaking, it would be all right so long as the aurat is covered.

At the same time, though, it would be frowned upon to wear a singlet if you have more appropriate clothes to wear. If you can dress up for going out, surely you can at least wear a proper shirt for prayers.

On Halal Food replied by OneDoubleManTayar @ Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:13:00 +0800

OneDoubleManTayar — Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:13:00 +0800

Originally posted by mathirrahim:

i think it is difficult to educate, difficult for many reasons.
but it can be done.

Once i saw a guy wearing singlet for friday prayer.

it is allowed?

what is the aurat for the men?? from above the navel to below the knees, yes? as long as a person has that part covered with loose clothing then it's ok. what if a person wants to wear the ihram for prayers?? same thing right?

On Halal Food replied by Hellraiza @ Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:07:01 +0800

Hellraiza — Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:07:01 +0800

Cheers to TS, very informative thread

On Halal Food replied by mathirrahim @ Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:45:25 +0800

mathirrahim — Sat, 30 Dec 2006 11:45:25 +0800

i think it is difficult to educate, difficult for many reasons.
but it can be done.

Once i saw a guy wearing singlet for friday prayer.

it is allowed?

On Halal Food replied by hisoka @ Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:31:00 +0800

hisoka — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:31:00 +0800

b4 yo do sutff like educating or scolding them, please check if they are muslims first

On Halal Food replied by fudgester @ Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:24:51 +0800

fudgester — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:24:51 +0800

Originally posted by monoslayer:

tats it! i gonna scold all the melayu who i c drinking in MOS!

I would prefer educating and reminding them of Islam's stance on alcohol.

On Halal Food replied by felirox @ Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:16:06 +0800

felirox — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:16:06 +0800

Originally posted by monoslayer:

tats it! i gonna scold all the melayu who i c drinking in MOS!

I think u shud also scold them for entering MOS.

On Halal Food replied by monoslayer @ Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:58:54 +0800

monoslayer — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:58:54 +0800

Originally posted by fudgester:

Alcohol

No go here. Anything which can intoxicate the mind is prohibited, and that includes alcohol and illicit drugs. As the following verse goes:

'O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.'
- Surah Al-Ma'ida (The Table) 5:90

Of course, this does complicate things somewhat, considering that are several substances and food essences which do contain alcohol. It's not just about abstaining from drinking alcohol - it's also about abstaining from consuming it in any way. That's part of the reason why I stay away from food stalls which proudly label 'no pork, no lard' but without a valid halal certificate from MUIS. For all I know they could be using alcohol in the marinate for the meat (which was what I discovered with a certain restaurant in town several years ago). In addition, absence of pork and its byproducts still doesn't account for the requirement that all meat must be slaughtered the Islamic way.
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tats it! i gonna scold all the melayu who i c drinking in MOS!

On Halal Food replied by mathirrahim @ Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:31:14 +0800

mathirrahim — Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:31:14 +0800

This is what i think.

Even Singapore have rules and regulations.

Are they troublesome for you 'NUS Human'.

On Halal Food replied by dinky1409 @ Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:57:14 +0800

dinky1409 — Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:57:14 +0800

Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:

Muslims so troublesome, if all just eat vegetables, then the problem very easy solved.

With people like you that's why there can never be peace in the world..

On Halal Food replied by NUS_Superst@r @ Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:03:23 +0800

NUS_Superst@r — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:03:23 +0800

Muslims so troublesome, if all just eat vegetables, then the problem very easy solved.

On Halal Food replied by fudgester @ Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:56:09 +0800

fudgester — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:56:09 +0800

Hisoka:

As I've mentioned before, a quick check of supermarket ads in the newspapers does not reveal any differences between halal and non-halal slaughtered meat. So from inference, I can see that either there's no cost difference between the two types of slaughter, or it's minimal enough for the slaughterhouse and the retailers to absorb.

Besides, most if not all halal meat found on the market are slaughtered at certified Islamic slaughterhouses which are mainly run by Muslims anyway. There are no special requirements to be able to slaughter an animal in the halal manner, except that the person has to be Muslim, that's all. I could slaughter an animal myself if someone were to give me a sharp knife and a short lesson on how to properly slit the jugular vein.

I seriously doubt that this would lead to an increase in costs. Except, as I mentioned earlier, admin costs of inspection and paperwork.. which is pretty routine stuff, actually. And I as said earlier, it seems to be a small portion of overall costs... at least small enough to be easily absorbed.

I hope this helps to clarify things.

On Halal Food replied by hisoka @ Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:34:31 +0800

hisoka — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:34:31 +0800

Originally posted by mhcampboy:

hmmm... ask u sumtin... muslim rituals are just through the mouth. no action is needed. except slaughtering the neck. do u think tat incurs high cost?

and if u talking abt machines... well.. even non halalled animals need to be cut up and its feathers or hairs removed right...?

so u implying... just becos there is a ritual involve... it incurs high cost?

remember... only prayers are said... nuhtin else... and animals need to be cut up also to be reached to consumer... so u rather have whole chicken with feathers arrive at ur market?

also... halal cert needs to be borne by the person applying for it...

and gov body... well.. to be fair... all gov bodies receive their annual allowance.

erm jsut get rid of the high will you?

i think theres prob a higher cost. or are you saying the person doing the prayer is going to do it for free completely? you go consult a lawyer to talk abotu stuff, only consult meanign i guess he only use his mouth need to pay? same case here right? you employ some one to say the prayer. even if no direct extra costs because you have an employee that can do that; but that means you need to hire some one with additional qualifications, don't tell me that one won't drive the salary up at least a bit?

i don't think they do other processing than the prayers i guess. unless its storage/transportation issues. but that would really be wild guesses

On Halal Food replied by mhcampboy @ Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:27:48 +0800

mhcampboy — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:27:48 +0800

Originally posted by hisoka:

hmmz i was under the impression that you need to have a certain number of muslim employees? maybe i mistaken. not all muslims of course.

i really don't know but my rationale tells me theres extra cost.

to the guy 2 posts above:
rituals as noted prob take extra resources. halai cert and etc under government body means no need to pay meh?

hmmm... ask u sumtin... muslim rituals are just through the mouth. no action is needed. except slaughtering the neck. do u think tat incurs high cost?

and if u talking abt machines... well.. even non halalled animals need to be cut up and its feathers or hairs removed right...?

so u implying... just becos there is a ritual involve... it incurs high cost?

remember... only prayers are said... nuhtin else... and animals need to be cut up also to be reached to consumer... so u rather have whole chicken with feathers arrive at ur market?

also... halal cert needs to be borne by the person applying for it...

and gov body... well.. to be fair... all gov bodies receive their annual allowance.

On Halal Food replied by hisoka @ Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:27:43 +0800

hisoka — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:27:43 +0800

Originally posted by fudgester:

Hmm? Of course not. I've eaten at halal restaurants where none of the employees (at least the ones I saw) were Muslim. Fratello's Fusion Ristorante at the NUS Staff Club (opposite YIH) is one such example.

In addition, if I'm not wrong there are no special charges for accredition from MUIS. Maybe some admin fees for the inspection and paperwork, that's all.

means must pay lor

its the principle of it mah

nothing muslims personally, although i do prefer to eat at non-halai places due to variety

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