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      <title>With the Masters replied by selfobliged @ Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:29:59 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;huh?&lt;cite&gt;?&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:29:59 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>With the Masters replied by Gauze @ Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:21:41 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;On the limitations of the religious vehicle,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Infidelity of faith are not necessary conditions in love. O
Naziri, I can show thee an infidel who possesses the highest degree
of saintliness.&lt;br /&gt;
- Naziri Nishapuri&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and where mechanical knowledge ends,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;0nly the bird understands the textbook of the rose:&lt;br /&gt;
For not every reader knows the inner meaning of the page.&lt;br /&gt;
O you who would learn the section on love from the book of
knowledge-&lt;br /&gt;
I fear that you do not know how to fathom it by research.&lt;br /&gt;
- Hafiz of Shiraz&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if religion has to be about feeding wonder and is used as a
psychological crutch,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If there is someone seeking God through lower aspirations,&lt;br /&gt;
there are always others who will not do so.&lt;br /&gt;
- Ibn Arabi&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or for the claim of absolute Truth,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Faith and hope point beyond the present moment and thereby
recognize that the Truth is not yet realized in its
wholeness.&lt;br /&gt;
- Lawrence Of Arabia's "The Struggle"&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or the culmination of arrogance,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Though I do not consider myself separate from Him,&lt;br /&gt;
Yet I do not consider myself God.&lt;br /&gt;
Whatever relation the drop bears with the ocean,&lt;br /&gt;
That I hold true in my belief, and nothing beyond.&lt;br /&gt;
- Dara Shikoh, one of the princes of the Mughal Empire&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or for the cloak for hypocrisy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;"A saint is a saint until he knows that he is one."&lt;br /&gt;
- Unknown&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or dangling divine carrots in deceit&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;"O God! If I worship Thee in fear of Hell, burn me in Hell; and
if I worship Thee in hope of Paradise, exclude me from Paradise;
but if I worship Thee for Thine own sake, withhold not Thine
Everlasting Beauty!"&lt;br /&gt;
- Rabi'a al-Adawiyya&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or where opinions and law is unchangeable,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
"Woe to you, O Ya'qub! Do not write down everything you hear from
me, for it happens that I hold one opinion today and reject it
tomorrow, or hold one opinion tomorrow and reject it the day after
tomorrow."&lt;br /&gt;
- Imam Abu Hanifah - Founder of one of the four major schools of
sunni islam, followed by sgrean muslims.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or bringing about phobias on animals,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Bayazid encountered a dog and started to pull his robe away from
it, so that it should not defile him.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The dog, in a human voice, said:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#8216;If I had been dry, there would have been no purpose in avoiding
me. If I had been wet, you could have washed your robe. But the
hate which you have towards me can never be cleansed.&#8217;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bayazid said:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#8216;O enlightened dog, come and stay with me for a while.&#8217;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The dog answered:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#8216;That is impossible, because the world uses me as an epithet, and
you are regarded by the world as a paragon.&#8217;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bayazid exclaimed:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#8216;Alas! I am not fit to live with one whom the whole world regards
as inferior: how can I therefore approach the Truth which all
regard as the Highest of all?&#8217;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or the instituting of God's soveriegnity,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In one report, members of the Khawarij accused 'Ali (the forth
and last Caliph) of accepting the judgment and dominion (hakimiyya)
of human beings instead of abiding by the dominion of God's law.
Upon hearing of this accusation, 'Ali called on the people to
gather around him and brought out a large copy of the Qur'an. 'Ali
touched the Qur'an while instructing it to speak to the people and
inform them about God's law. Surprised, the people who had gathered
around 'Ali exclaimed, "What are you doing? The Qur'an cannot
speak, for it is not a human being!" Upon hearing this, 'Ali
exclaimed that this was exactly his point. The Qur'an, 'Ali
explained, is but ink and paper, and it does not speak for itself.
Instead, it is human beings who give effect to it according to
their limited personal judgments and opinions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it need not be so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:21:41 +0800</pubDate>
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