testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by dotaro @ Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:08:41 +0800

dotaro — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:08:41 +0800

I like that point:

2. Prohibition of Blasphemy. Since u dun believe in gods, u would not misuse the bible or other holy books to collect tithes and $$$ from people who shared your believe.

Many of the churches practice this, something which I cant comprerehend and don't agree.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Creation1656 @ Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:31:35 +0800

Creation1656 — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:31:35 +0800

Hi january, i beleive u are a perfect candidate for conversion to Judaism. u believe in science? Many renown scientists are Jewish. u are also a moral person, right? Also, non-jewish believers in Judaism also dun need to cut their kkb or kkj or whatever u call that little thingy, when they believe. u only need to believe in these 7 law of Noah.

The 7 laws are.

1. Prohibition of idolatry. Since u dun believe in gods, u would not anyhow worship idols. Right?

2. Prohibition of Blasphemy. Since u dun believe in gods, u would not misuse the bible or other holy books to collect tithes and $$$ from people who shared your believe.

3. Prohibition of Theft. Even thieves know that stealing is wrong and against the law.

4. Prohibition of sexual immorality. The Torah, or jewish bible, allows a man to have more than 1 wife, for men are unsatisfied, OK. Adultery is out, of course u would not want to walk around town wearing a green hat, get what i mean?

5. Prohibition against murder. No need to explain this one.

6. Be kind to animal. No explanation needed on this one also.

7. Fair court of Justice. Every logical or moral person wants a fair system of justice in the courts. u are a logical n moral person, right?

u can see now, that it is very easy to beleive in only real God, found only in Judaism. He is Adonai Elohin aka Blessed King of the Universe.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by deathmaster @ Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:28:19 +0800

deathmaster — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:28:19 +0800

if a god is required to create men, then what is required to create god.

by the creationist theory, something is required to create something. and since there's nothing beyond god, thus god cannot be created and thus does not exist outside of the folklores of people.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by crimsontactics @ Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:58:58 +0800

crimsontactics — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:58:58 +0800

For religion and the supernatural, if you believe it, it'll be real, if you don't, then it's not.

You don't have to start any experiment just to prove something that even scientist and holy men themselves have problems proving.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by ShrodingersCat @ Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:58:39 +0800

ShrodingersCat — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:58:39 +0800

for someone who keep saying don't believe in god or ghosts

you sure spend a lot of time on them

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Omnia @ Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:49:28 +0800

Omnia — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:49:28 +0800

Originally posted by january:

alright, i will try to assess your reason.

If you mother say that you cannot marry a certain girl because your horoscope clashes, but you do not believe what she says because you dun believe in horoscope affecting your love for her.

We cannot prove in any definitive way that your mother belief is wrong right? So, we cannot ridicule your mother right? This is the kind of reasoning you are saying.

For logics, we look at statistics, if the number shows that there is no relationship and there is good reasons, then we will accept certain things as fact until it is uoverturned by new evidence.

I could also put it to you that if someone in ancient Egypt had believed that the air that he was breathing was actually made of countless particles too small to be seen, many would have thought him nuts and even ridiculed him. Could he have proven it in any meaningful way, statistics, logic and all ? No. But was he right ? Yes.

Certain things are easier to prove/disprove than others. If you want to find out whether the month in which a person is born in affects his personality, you can do a massive correlation study and find that out. But how do you set-up an experiment to prove/disprove the existence of God ? Your initial experiment is certainly not going to do it. All it proves (at best) is that invoking a supernatural curse on oneself does not always result in harm.

Originally posted by january:

... For god, the statistics and evidence are so little and weak that they conclusion that we atheist get is that God is fake.

Such conclusion will stay this way as fact until new evidence is available. However, atheists do not see that we will ever see new evidences surfacing based on all the reasons and knowledge we know what about the so called "god".

And I suppose there is strong evidence that God does not exist ? And in case you are thinking of doing it, being able to explain phenomena through Science does not disprove the existence of God.

I believe that it is reasonable for someone to be skeptical about the existence of God, or to decide that based on current knowledge/experiences, he does not believe there to be a God. But to declare this as 'fact' and ridicule anyone who does not share this view is not reasonable, to put it mildly.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:00:09 +0800

january — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:00:09 +0800

Originally posted by Omnia:

I agree that believers would not be able to prove in any 'scientific' or definitive way that God exists. What then can we conclude ? God may or may not exist, not that God does not exist.

So if we cannot ascertain whether God exists from a 'scientific' perspective, is it fair to ridicule those who believe in God ? No. They are no worse than non-believers because we can't be scientifically certain one way or another, right ?

alright, i will try to assess your reason.

If you mother say that you cannot marry a certain girl because your horoscope clashes, but you do not believe what she says because you dun believe in horoscope affecting your love for her.

We cannot prove in any definitive way that your mother belief is wrong right? So, we cannot ridicule your mother right? This is the kind of reasoning you are saying.

For logics, we look at statistics, if the number shows that there is no relationship and there is good reasons, then we will accept certain things as fact until it is uoverturned by new evidence.

For god, the statistics and evidence are so little and weak that they conclusion that we atheist get is that God is fake.

Such conclusion will stay this way as fact until new evidence is available. However, atheists do not see that we will ever see new evidences surfacing based on all the reasons and knowledge we know what about the so called "god".

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Omnia @ Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:15:07 +0800

Omnia — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:15:07 +0800

Originally posted by january:

Well, its not a very good experiment i admit. Ironically, when evidence of miracle suggestting god appear, everybody goes "woah!! the god has shown his power!!"

But when evidence suggesting god is bullshit theory comes, people will dismiss it instead of saying "woah! there is no god" These people are really bias in their belief system. haha.

SO you mean the reasons or evidence provided by god believers are sensible? Finally, the rule of proving actually lies with believers. If they cannot show any good reasons, then it means god does not exist. If they can show good reasons, people will then accept it as a fact.

I agree that believers would not be able to prove in any 'scientific' or definitive way that God exists. What then can we conclude ? God may or may not exist, not that God does not exist.

So if we cannot ascertain whether God exists from a 'scientific' perspective, is it fair to ridicule those who believe in God ? No. They are no worse than non-believers because we can't be scientifically certain one way or another, right ?

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:39:06 +0800

january — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:39:06 +0800

Originally posted by Omnia:

A senseless experiment that still does not prove or disprove the existence of God. Sadly, you'll have to try much harder .

Well, its not a very good experiment i admit. Ironically, when evidence of miracle suggestting god appear, everybody goes "woah!! the god has shown his power!!"

But when evidence suggesting god is bullshit theory comes, people will dismiss it instead of saying "woah! there is no god" These people are really bias in their belief system. haha.

SO you mean the reasons or evidence provided by god believers are sensible? Finally, the rule of proving actually lies with believers. If they cannot show any good reasons, then it means god does not exist. If they can show good reasons, people will then accept it as a fact.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Omnia @ Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:24:26 +0800

Omnia — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:24:26 +0800

Originally posted by january:

I shall do this experiment , quite dangerous to test on god existence. you all may say its not a good one.

If god or ghost exist, pls come out now and kill me now. If I am able to type and put up post , that means i am still alive, which means that no ghost or god has existed.

A senseless experiment that still does not prove or disprove the existence of God. Sadly, you'll have to try much harder .

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Beautiful951 @ Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:53:31 +0800

Beautiful951 — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:53:31 +0800

Of course la. I am a very nice person. Went into the chatroom yet?

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:49:43 +0800

january — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:49:43 +0800

Originally posted by Beautiful951:

uh huh. But there has many athiests like yourself. The name is unexplained. But its a skeptic predominated site.

hello beautiful.. today i surf the site and saw a very great video by famous scientists...

thanks for recommending this site.. Muaks... thanks again.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Beautiful951 @ Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:15:25 +0800

Beautiful951 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:15:25 +0800

Originally posted by january:

Not alot about ghost dicussion after i see the website.

ANyway.. unexplained mysteries = unexplained.. the best is not to jump conclusion into ghost, UFO and god.

uh huh. But there has many athiests like yourself. The name is unexplained. But its a skeptic predominated site.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:15:02 +0800

january — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:15:02 +0800

Originally posted by Beautiful951:

See you. However, if you wish to really have an in depth talk about ghosts and such, I recommend a visit to www.unexplained-mysteries.com, there are many people who talk about such things in depth. And I think it would be suitable for you.

Not alot about ghost dicussion after i see the website.

ANyway.. unexplained mysteries = unexplained.. the best is not to jump conclusion into ghost, UFO and god.

It is normal and expected to discover unexplainable stuff in the universe becos we earthlings and earth has only such a short period of existence compared to universe. What do you expect? we know everything? that would be amazing if i say humans has no more mystery that they have not solve in the universe and our planet.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:13:08 +0800

january — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:13:08 +0800

Originally posted by Beautiful951:

See you. However, if you wish to really have an in depth talk about ghosts and such, I recommend a visit to www.unexplained-mysteries.com, there are many people who talk about such things in depth. And I think it would be suitable for you.

Not alot about ghost dicussion after i see the website.

ANyway.. unexplained mysteries = unexplained.. the best is not to jump conclusion into ghost, UFO and god.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by mancha @ Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:27:10 +0800

mancha — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:27:10 +0800

Originally posted by january:

Good effort of reasoning (laughing now)

This is not proof, but conjecture.

One conjecture deserves another.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Beautiful951 @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:42:53 +0800

Beautiful951 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:42:53 +0800

Originally posted by january:

why not we ask singapore judge whether ghost exist.

We human, always form opinions, and make claims about what is true what is false. However, in crimes , normal people cannot be judge because to be a judge requires high level of education and training in forming correct reasoning and giving judgment, so that he can give a fair trial to the people involve and dig out the actualy truth.

IN the singapore ghost stories... those people state their stories and experiences and claim that these are the evidence of their ghost. People listen and also realize that it makes sense, it has to be ghost. Therefore, the conclusion is ghost exist.

However, these people are not judges, they are not expert in studying what causes what , and what constitutes as truth.

Thats all, i hope u will see the truth some day. nice talking to you . bye.

See you. However, if you wish to really have an in depth talk about ghosts and such, I recommend a visit to www.unexplained-mysteries.com, there are many people who talk about such things in depth. And I think it would be suitable for you.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:40:16 +0800

january — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:40:16 +0800

why not we ask singapore judge whether ghost exist.

We human, always form opinions, and make claims about what is true what is false. However, in crimes , normal people cannot be judge because to be a judge requires high level of education and training in forming correct reasoning and giving judgment, so that he can give a fair trial to the people involve and dig out the actualy truth.

IN the singapore ghost stories... those people state their stories and experiences and claim that these are the evidence of their ghost. People listen and also realize that it makes sense, it has to be ghost. Therefore, the conclusion is ghost exist.

However, these people are not judges, they are not expert in studying what causes what , and what constitutes as truth.

Thats all, i hope u will see the truth some day. nice talking to you . bye.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Beautiful951 @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:35:20 +0800

Beautiful951 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:35:20 +0800

Originally posted by january:

U are on the right track, my friend.. i can see ur mind beginning to open up unlike people dismissed me. Perhaps today is ur turning point of your life.

Because people or rather human beings tend to have some unexplained sightings or experience which seem to be the work of ghost, which are not well defined in the first place, as in the meaning of ghost.

What people do, is to explain these situations without proper studying. They are jumping to conclusions. If you study systematically, you will realize all these are just hocus pocus.

But then, what if they have seen things which you have not? Maybe, the true singapore stories series. There are altogether so many of them.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:32:40 +0800

january — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:32:40 +0800

Originally posted by Beautiful951:

I would like to ask. Why are there no ghosts?

U are on the right track, my friend.. i can see ur mind beginning to open up unlike people dismissed me. Perhaps today is ur turning point of your life.

Because people or rather human beings tend to have some unexplained sightings or experience which seem to be the work of ghost, which are not well defined in the first place, as in the meaning of ghost.

What people do, is to explain these situations without proper studying. They are jumping to conclusions. If you study systematically, you will realize all these are just hocus pocus.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:28:10 +0800

january — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:28:10 +0800

Originally posted by Beautiful951:

The why did you say you did?

"

went to outfield recently in lim chu kang forest... saw many cemetery on the way to my camp. during outfield training... was hoping to see some ghost.. but alas... i can feel only the stupid weight of the machine gun shagging me out.

looks like i will never get to see any ghost liao...."

I did go for camp training. But my forest training in the pitch dark(terrible experience) , i did not come into any graveyard... graveyard is i see when i take bus to my ulu camp.

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Beautiful951 @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:25:16 +0800

Beautiful951 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:25:16 +0800

Originally posted by january:

to tell u the truth... in my 26 years of existence...

I was mostly harrassed, threathened, scared and bullied by one thing.

Not ghost or god, but other humans, including myself. So, i am always more worried about meeting a bad guy then meeting frightening powerful hantu(ghost).

I would like to ask. Why are there no ghosts?

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:24:06 +0800

january — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:24:06 +0800

to tell u the truth... in my 26 years of existence...

I was mostly harrassed, threathened, scared and bullied by one thing.

Not ghost or god, but other humans, including myself. So, i am always more worried about meeting a bad guy then meeting frightening powerful hantu(ghost).

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by Beautiful951 @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:22:39 +0800

Beautiful951 — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:22:39 +0800

Originally posted by january:

to the thread above me beautiful 951:

i did not go the graveyard.

The why did you say you did?

went to outfield recently in lim chu kang forest... saw many cemetery on the way to my camp. during outfield training... was hoping to see some ghost.. but alas... i can feel only the stupid weight of the machine gun shagging me out.

looks like i will never get to see any ghost liao...."

testing god and ghost existence experiment replied by january @ Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:20:20 +0800

january — Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:20:20 +0800

to the thread above me beautiful 951:

i did not go the graveyard.

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