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  • OO_OO_OO's Avatar
    1,605 posts since May '06
    • here're some verses from the quran

      Qur¡¯an 9:5 ¡°Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.¡±

      Qur¡¯an 8:39 ¡°Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.¡±

      Ishaq:324 ¡°Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have rivals.¡±

      Ishaq:326 ¡°If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah¡¯s enemies.¡±

      Qur¡¯an 8:7 ¡°Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ¡®Wipe the infidels out to the last.¡¯¡±

      Qur¡¯an 8:39 ¡°So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.¡±


      from what i know, islam is the only religion that wants its believers to DESTROY the non-believers. Other religions like christianity, instead instructs believers to convert believers. Should the non-believers fail to convert, they perish in hell.

      so that means, if you're a hardcore muslim, you're probably a terrorist, because of all those instructions in the quran.

      correct?

      PS. this sounds damn anti-islam.. but its what the quran says.. muslims pls correct me if im wrong.

  • life2121's Avatar
    722 posts since Nov '05
  • OO_OO_OO's Avatar
    1,605 posts since May '06
  • MrDeeJay's Avatar
    1,137 posts since Apr '06
  • OO_OO_OO's Avatar
    1,605 posts since May '06
    • Originally posted by life2121:
      fi where r u? ban n close leh...

      im sure many are deluded by this link between islam and terrorism as well.

      allow clarification on this topic. dont be like the pap.

  • life2121's Avatar
    722 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
      im sure many are deluded by this link between islam and terrorism as well.

      allow clarification on this topic. dont be like the pap.

      ok den can someone clarify n den ban n close?

  • OO_OO_OO's Avatar
    1,605 posts since May '06
    • The people of america have always wondered.. who are muslims and why do they want to kill me?

      Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread
      Christians will be burned in the Fire

      Quran Surah 28: The Narrative
      Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?

      Quran Surah 30: The Romans
      Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him.

      Quran Surah 40: The Believer
      Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in?

      i want to know why they are so against christains. what did the christains do to them 2000 years ago

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    ^tamago^'s Avatar
    51,465 posts since Sep '03
  • OO_OO_OO's Avatar
    1,605 posts since May '06
    • Originally posted by ^tamago^:
      CLOSE+BAN...

      there is the sedition act.. Rolling Eyes

      what the hell is wrong with all of you. i am a christain and i want to know why they want me dead.

      i want to know why their god instructs them to get rid of us christains. anything wrong with that?

  • Gwangetto's Avatar
    1,233 posts since Apr '06
    • hmm.. not many muslims here spoke up for their religion eh? unlike the christians.

      if u dunno the truth abt them, go find out urself.

      anyway.. close and ban and sack. Laughing

      Edited by Gwangetto 31 May `06, 12:56AM
  • life2121's Avatar
    722 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
      what the hell is wrong with all of you. i am a christain and i want to know why they want me dead.
      i want to know why their god instructs them to get rid of us christains. anything wrong with that?

      r u in danger everytime u step outta ur hse? if not, den dun worry ur @ss off... close n ban pls...

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    ^tamago^'s Avatar
    51,465 posts since Sep '03
    • Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
      what the hell is wrong with all of you. i am a christain and i want to know why they want me dead.

      i want to know why their god instructs them to get rid of us christains. anything wrong with that?

      go hong lim park and try apply for a permit to talk. u will noe.

  • OO_OO_OO's Avatar
    1,605 posts since May '06
    • it takes a lot of maturity to discuss religion.

      please show that you have some, instead of opting for the "act ignorant" option so as to preserve the false sense of peace.

      theres a reason why muslim parents dont want their kids marrying christains and vice versa. dont take what u see for granted. theres a lot of sh!t under the carpet.

  • life2121's Avatar
    722 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
      it takes a lot of maturity to discuss religion.

      please show that you have some, instead of opting for the "act ignorant" option so as to preserve the false sense of peace.

      theres a reason why muslim parents dont want their kids marrying christains and vice versa. dont take what u see for granted. theres a lot of sh!t under the carpet.

      so by digging at each other is maturity? by stabbing at each other until blood is flowed is preserving the false sense of peace?

      u hav ur worries... we all hav... but sometimes tinks r betta left untouched den by pondering over it... heard of pandora's box? sometimes ignorance is bliss my fren...

      yes i m immature... so? at least i m happy Very Happy

  • OO_OO_OO's Avatar
    1,605 posts since May '06
    • Originally posted by life2121:
      so by digging at each other is maturity? by stabbing at each other until blood is flowed is preserving the false sense of peace?

      no one said anything about killing each other. by having an open discussion, we can understand other religions better instead of carrying a biased/false opinion about that religion for the rest of your life.

      thats why it takes maturity to discuss religion. the immature who only seeks to attack the religion conflicting his, and has no wish to gain more religious understanding can stay out of the thread.

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    ^tamago^'s Avatar
    51,465 posts since Sep '03
    • Originally posted by life2121:
      heard of pandora's box? sometimes ignorance is bliss my fren...

      yes i m immature... so? at least i m happy Very Happy

      Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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    ^tamago^'s Avatar
    51,465 posts since Sep '03
    • Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
      thats why it takes maturity to discuss religion. the immature who only seeks to attack the religion conflicting his, and has no wish to gain more religious understanding can stay out of the thread.

      bull.. come let's stay out of the thread and not feed the troll...

  • kopikid's Avatar
    269 posts since Apr '03
    • dont need close la....if ppl wanna debate its not offensive unless he add sugar and spice or someone else add spice haha

      so i think its ok...

      from what i think every religion have ppl who r those extreme..so called "cults"

      so terrorist MIGHT be cults OR just a political weapon maybe bush himself is the leader of terrorist :d so he could...u know.. lol

      anyway thats what i feel...

      feel free to enlighten me

  • life2121's Avatar
    722 posts since Nov '05
  • life2121's Avatar
    722 posts since Nov '05
    • Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
      the immature who only seeks to attack the religion conflicting his, and has no wish to gain more religious understanding can stay out of the thread.

      wonder who picked e first blood... anw ya bcos i m immature tis is gonna b my last post here...

      anw jus a piece of advice... believe u being matured will hav heard b4... e internet is a place for all kinds of pple frm all walks of life... unless it is an official site... e posted materials r only true 2 e understanding of e person who wrote it... hav u chked e source of e postings frm e webby u found?

      bcos frm my understanding... all religion promote peace... u wanna understand them? maybe can approach MUIS... u might get wat u wanna find

  • Where Is God's Avatar
    653 posts since Feb '06
    • those who keep moaning +1 or close/ban, please shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

      There's nothing racist in this thread and it's not gonna cause a riot. So pls shut up about racism or sedition.

  • Where Is God's Avatar
    653 posts since Feb '06
    • Originally posted by life2121:
      bcos frm my understanding... all religion promote peace... u wanna understand them? maybe can approach MUIS... u might get wat u wanna find

      lol. ignorant should i say?? there are so many religions in this world and i doubt you can even name 1/10 of them.

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    ^tamago^'s Avatar
    51,465 posts since Sep '03
    • excerpts of the Act. based on ur title, it determines the nature of ur first post.

      Interpretation.

      2. In this Act —

      "publication" includes all written or printed matter and everything whether of a nature similar to written or printed matter or not containing any visible representation or by its form, shape or in any other manner capable of suggesting words or ideas, and every copy and reproduction or substantial reproduction of any publication;

      "seditious" when applied to or used in respect of any act, speech, words, publication or other thing qualifies such act, speech, words, publication or other thing as one having a seditious tendency;

      "words" includes any phrase, sentence or other consecutive number or combination of words, oral or written.

      Seditious tendency.

      3. —(1) A seditious tendency is a tendency —

      (d) to raise discontent or disaffection amongst the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore;

      (e) to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore.

      (2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), any act, speech, words, publication or other thing shall not be deemed to be seditious by reason only that it has a tendency —

      (d) to point out, with a view to their removal, any matters producing or having a tendency to produce feelings of ill-will and enmity between different races or classes of the population of Singapore,

      if such act, speech, words, publication or other thing has not otherwise in fact a seditious tendency.

      (3) For the purpose of proving the commission of any offence under this Act, the intention of the person charged at the time he did or attempted to do or made any preparation to do or conspired with any person to do any act or uttered any seditious words or printed, published, sold, offered for sale, distributed, reproduced or imported any publication or did any other thing shall be deemed to be irrelevant if in fact such act had, or would, if done, have had, or such words, publication or thing had a seditious tendency.

      Offences.

      4. —(1) Any person who —

      (a) does or attempts to do, or makes any preparation to do, or conspires with any person to do, any act which has or which would, if done, have a seditious tendency;

      (b) utters any seditious words;

      (c) prints, publishes, sells, offers for sale, distributes or reproduces any seditious publication; or

      (d) imports any seditious publication,

      shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction for a first offence to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both, and, for a subsequent offence, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years; and any seditious publication found in the possession of that person or used in evidence at his trial shall be forfeited and may be destroyed or otherwise disposed of as the court directs.

      (2) Any person who without lawful excuse has in his possession any seditious publication shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction for a first offence to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 18 months or to both, and, for a subsequent offence, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years, and such publication shall be forfeited and may be destroyed or otherwise disposed of as the court directs.

      Legal proceedings.

      5. —(1) No prosecution for an offence under section 4 shall be begun except within 6 months after the offence is committed:

      Provided that for the purposes of this subsection a prosecution shall be deemed to be begun against any person when a warrant or summons has been issued in respect of any charge made against that person and based on the facts or incident in respect of which the prosecution afterwards proceeds.

      (2) No person shall be prosecuted for an offence under section 4 without the written consent of the Public Prosecutor. In such written consent the Public Prosecutor may designate any court to be the court of trial.

      Evidence.

      6. —(1) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in the Evidence Act, no person shall be convicted of an offence under section 4 on the uncorroborated testimony of one witness.

      (2) No person shall be convicted of any offence referred to in section 4 (1) (c) or (d) if such person proves that the publication in respect of which he is charged was printed, published, sold, offered for sale, distributed, reproduced or imported (as the case may be) without his authority, consent and knowledge and without any want of due care or caution on his part or that he did not know and had no reason to believe that the publication had a seditious tendency.

      Innocent receiver of seditious publication.

      7. Any person to whom any seditious publication is sent without his knowledge or privity shall forthwith as soon as the nature of its contents has become known to him deliver the publication to the officer in charge of a police division and any person who complies with this section shall not be liable to be convicted for having in his possession that publication:

      Provided that in any proceedings against such person the court shall presume until the contrary is shown that that person knew the contents of the publication at the time it first came into his possession.

      Issue of search warrant.

      8. —(1) A Magistrate may issue a warrant empowering any police officer, not below the rank of sergeant, to enter upon any premises where any seditious publication is known or is reasonably suspected to be and to search therein for any seditious publication.
      21/73.

      (2) Whenever it appears to any police officer, not below the rank of sergeant, that there is reasonable cause to believe that in any premises there is concealed or deposited any seditious publication, and he has reasonable grounds for believing that, by reason of the delay which would be entailed by obtaining a search warrant, the object of the search is likely to be frustrated, he may enter and search the premises as if he were empowered to do so by a warrant issued under subsection (1).
      21/73.

      Suspension of newspaper containing seditious matter.

      9. —(1) Whenever any person is convicted of publishing in any newspaper matter having a seditious tendency, the court may, if it thinks fit, either in lieu of or in addition to any other punishment, make orders as to all or any of the following matters:

      (a) prohibiting, either absolutely or except on conditions to be specified in the order, for any period not exceeding one year from the date of the order, the future publication of that newspaper;

      (b) prohibiting, either absolutely or except on conditions to be specified in the order, for the period aforesaid, the publisher, proprietor or editor of that newspaper from publishing, editing or writing for any newspaper or from assisting, whether with money or money’s worth, material, personal service or otherwise in the publication, editing or production of any newspaper;

      (c) that for the period aforesaid any printing press used in the production of the newspaper be used only on conditions to be specified in the order or that it be seized by the police and detained by them for the period aforesaid.

      (2) Any person who contravenes an order made under this section shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.

      (3) Nothing in this Act shall affect the power of the court to punish any person contravening an order made under this section for contempt of court:

      Provided that no person shall be punished twice for the same offence.

      Power of Court to prohibit circulation of seditious publications.

      10. —(9) For the purposes of this section, “Court” means the High Court.

      Arrest without warrant.

      11. Any police officer may arrest without warrant any person found committing or reasonably suspected of committing or of having committed or of attempting to commit or of procuring or abetting any person to commit any offence under this Act or reasonably suspected of the unlawful possession of any thing liable to forfeiture thereunder.

      Edited by ^tamago^ 31 May `06, 2:53AM
  • R3SsH|n's Avatar
    9,362 posts since Apr '05
  • gUms's Avatar
    1,985 posts since Mar '02
    • dont get effected by other religions , just concerntrate on yours and do de best fellowing de belives of ur own religion & also respect other religions.

      Edited by gUms 31 May `06, 3:26AM
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