Singapore stay or leave, leave ? where to go ?
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Do you forsee yourself to stay put in singapore when the cost of living is geting higher day after day.
Should you leave this country, where can you go ?
Australia? discimination ? 40% income tax?
Japan ? Porn Haven? cost of living even higher ?
Chiang Mai ? beautiful girl, live like king? but security not there
US ? seem so good but the worst in all kind of crimes.. -
tibet.
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just to share with you, c
ertain tribal group have the right to kill you without any acknowlegement or consent , it is totally legal to their law...
man it will be a pro and con. at least you can hire them and you are legal to do that -
Cost of living here is high because we are too used to low taxes and cheap goods, but if you go overseas you will find that in many countries taxes are even higher.
Instead of leaving, why not work harder and smarter to find a way around all this?
Every country has its pros and cons. If you leave because of a change in circumstances of the country, you will find yourself moving all over the world all your lie.
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If you leave, you should do it because of personal reasons. Sure....every country is full of pros and cons but Sillypore is uniquely Sillypore because there is more cons than pros....Just look at some of the other threads out there and you will find the reasons why so many thousands, including me have left. Sure we still have to work hard as the taxes are higher but so is our salary and if you are doing business like me, the market is your world and people here don't have so many hang ups about who can do what, unlike in Sillypore
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mongolia
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north korea.... *LONG LIVE KIM JONG IL!!!*
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Cost of living here is high because we are too used to low taxes and cheap goods, but if you go overseas you will find that in many countries taxes are even higher.
Instead of leaving, why not work harder and smarter to find a way around all this?
Every country has its pros and cons. If you leave because of a change in circumstances of the country, you will find yourself moving all over the world all your lie.
yes you work hard so that your income tax increases. you work smarter but how many singaporean can outsmart proverty when every single cent goes to debt.
if you could leave this country and move around , its a blessing actually, at least you have the qualification and money to do so. for most singaporean, they will just have to bite till they die. -
I think over the past few days, we have quite enough threads and postings complaining about the rise of GST.
Why don't we, the fellow complainers do something useful?
Wear Brown on Sundays!
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NATO = No Action, Type OnlyOriginally posted by anonymouscoward:
Why Brown? Because Mr. Brown was the first to put forth his article about the rising cost of living in Singapore but he was silenced, harshly and senselessly.
30 or so people gather at City Hall to show their support for Mr Brown and we should continue to support Mr. Brown's idea that 'enough is really enough'; The rising cost is unbearable for the average Singaporean.
Hence, brown. It is not a usual color and thus it sends a clear and distinct message.
Brown, because the current government way of squeezing its people feels like sh.it. -
China.. join in the new wave of Asia Power..
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go be join communism~~
no need to work still get pay -
Left 12 years ago and it's one of the best decisions I ever made.
I'm in Melbourne and after all this time with absolutely no incidents, I'll say that the whole discrimination thing is nothing but a PAP-pandering press peddling paranoid propaganda (how's that for alliteration? ) that's desperately trying and failing to keep people from leaving.
As for the tax, yes, it's high, but between a good accountant and the lower cost of houses and cars here (yes, there are places where you don't have to trade a vital organ for a Honda Civic), it works out rather well. -
Yes, I will migrate when I make enough money to do so.
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Got $$$ + a skill another country needs, go where also good......
No $$$ + No skill, you think other country wants to take you in
If I got $$$..... just stay oversea without trading in my S'pore passport..... when my new host country no longer safe, just move back lor.
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porn haven seems fine by me.Originally posted by lastfall:Do you forsee yourself to stay put in singapore when the cost of living is geting higher day after day.
Should you leave this country, where can you go ?
Australia? discimination ? 40% income tax?
Japan ? Porn Haven? cost of living even higher ?
Chiang Mai ? beautiful girl, live like king? but security not there
US ? seem so good but the worst in all kind of crimes.. -
Actually no place can beat Singapore for cleanliness and safety. Even the people on the street won't bother you like in many other countries where unemployemnt, drugs and hopelessness causes them to look for trouble, some challenge to excite them. So if you guys want to leave, do so, but go for a short holiday first in the country you would like to live in, stay for a few weeks and see if you can stand the way of life there and the loneliness. Don't pack up and leave for another country and regret you left a year later. Make sure you have a job there before leaving, found a suitable home there and nice school for your kids. Do a lot of research before you decide. I tell you, you will think twice. The only negative here is, Sg is such a small place and no where to run, hide or even relax without bumping into neighbours, colleagues, friends, relatives and others. So for this type of entertainment, you need to fly overseas say to Canada or USA or Europe and get yourself lost there. This explains why so many people at the end of the year after collecting their 13th, 14th or more months bonus chabut to. RUUUNNNNNNN AWAAAAAAAY! Go and hide from everyone somewhere like in Phuket, but you meet friends there too. Maybe less in Chiang Mai because not so much attractions like in Bkk. Have fun.
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Canada !!! ppl said that place is a heaven to people..
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Originally posted by lastfall:
It is possible to live almost entirely without debt, so long as you live within your means and spend on what is necessary with minimal pricey luxuries.
[b]Cost of living here is high because we are too used to low taxes and cheap goods, but if you go overseas you will find that in many countries taxes are even higher.
Instead of leaving, why not work harder and smarter to find a way around all this?
Every country has its pros and cons. If you leave because of a change in circumstances of the country, you will find yourself moving all over the world all your lie.
yes you work hard so that your income tax increases. you work smarter but how many singaporean can outsmart proverty when every single cent goes to debt.
if you could leave this country and move around , its a blessing actually, at least you have the qualification and money to do so. for most singaporean, they will just have to bite till they die.[/b]
So you would like to move to other countries where GST/VAT is as high as 15%? -
if you have money you neednt leave.
if you dont have money then where can you go?
either way you die!!!
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True, but there are things you have to trade in for lower-priced housing and cars and education.Originally posted by Gedanken:Left 12 years ago and it's one of the best decisions I ever made.
I'm in Melbourne and after all this time with absolutely no incidents, I'll say that the whole discrimination thing is nothing but a PAP-pandering press peddling paranoid propaganda (how's that for alliteration? ) that's desperately trying and failing to keep people from leaving.
As for the tax, yes, it's high, but between a good accountant and the lower cost of houses and cars here (yes, there are places where you don't have to trade a vital organ for a Honda Civic), it works out rather well.
Such as, your family and friends here, the safety of the country, the culture, the people who readily and truly accept you as one of their kind, to mention a few.
Ultimately it boils down to individual preference...
I don't think there's any (or many) places better than Singapore in all aspects.
It all comes to whether you're willing to give up something to obtain another. -
some other countries charge 10% GST, and in these countries, those who earn around 10k and above per month need to pay 48% income tax
Most of the tax collected (in the other mentioned countries as above) are used to fund the social welfare. Also in these countries, if you are considered underprivileged, you get money from the govt, for example, if you earn like $200 a month, the govt will give you like $400 a month so you have $600, but, if you work twice as hard and earn $400 a month, the govt will give you $250 a month, so now you do have more money-you have $650 now, but, you have to work twice as hard. So if you earn more they give you less, so pple would rather work half as much and earn $50 less. Actually I feel this is not healthy. It's creating a not so encouraging mindset on people, and, those high earners may have negative impression "so what if I work hard and earn over tens of Ks per month, 48% of my salary will still go back to the govt to help those who doesn't work as hard, and or, those who doesn't as much money as I do on further studies to get good jobs"
normally people migrate hoping to seek better life and salary or education elsewhere . They don't really hope to see themselves regretting after making the decision of packing their bags and leaving their homeland.
As the saying goes "ni kang wo hao, wo kang ni hao" (You see me good, I see you good) and you'll be shocked to see the number of foreigners wanting to get PR or citizenship status here
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i prefer a chinese-oriented society.
if i ever emigrate i will choose taiwan.
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Originally posted by dragg:i prefer a chinese-oriented society.
if i ever emigrate i will choose taiwan.
i dont think i can live among the ang mohs. 
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Could you please get more specific. Coz your description above sounds like, to be honest, typical primary school level hog wash - high on speculation, low on details and formed largely on the basis of chinese whispers.Originally posted by Phoebie:some other countries charge 10% GST, and in these countries, those who earn around 10k and above per month need to pay 48% income tax
Most of the tax collected (in the other mentioned countries as above) are used to fund the social welfare.
I'll consider your points by reference to the UK.
Yes, tax is used in some countries to fund social welfare - like, inter alia, a health system, heavily subsidised education system (eg grants for students, lower fees for students and incentives for students) and as you mentioned things like unemployment benefits.
Now you say things like...in these countries, if you are considered underprivileged, you get money from the govt, for example, if you earn like $200 a month, the govt will give you like $400 a month so you have $600, but, if you work twice as hard and earn $400 a month, the govt will give you $250 a month, so now you do have more money-you have $650 now, but, you have to work twice as hard.
What are 'these countries' you are talking about? I know the UK has a minimum wage system so you can't be talking about the UK. For a vague post, you seem to come up with a lot of detail here...So if you earn more they give you less, so pple would rather work half as much and earn $50 less. Actually I feel this is not healthy. It's creating a not so encouraging mindset on people, and, those high earners may have negative impression "so what if I work hard and earn over tens of Ks per month, 48% of my salary will still go back to the govt to help those who doesn't work as hard, and or, those who doesn't as much money as I do on further studies to get good jobs"
- You know, I recall myself expressing that view during primary school. However, please forgive me because I did not know how the tax system worked at the time. You see, 48% (in your example) would refer to any amount earnt after you hit a certain level. Eg. First 15000 might be tax free, then every $1 after that you are taxed 20% up till 50000, then maybe every dolalr after that 48%. So no, 48% of your salary doesn't go back to the government.
Your entire argument there is therefore really not much of an argument. Well, assuming that your example is based on fantasy of course...coz I haven;t heard of a developed country that taxes 48% of your salary...
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Agreed that it varies across individuals. I'll speak for myself here.Originally posted by Kinokuniya:True, but there are things you have to trade in for lower-priced housing and cars and education.
Such as, your family and friends here, the safety of the country, the culture, the people who readily and truly accept you as one of their kind, to mention a few.
Ultimately it boils down to individual preference...
I don't think there's any (or many) places better than Singapore in all aspects.
It all comes to whether you're willing to give up something to obtain another.
Family-wise, oth my parents have passed away and that does give me a dubious advantage. However, even before they'd gone, both of them had accepted my decision to move, and in any case I popped by once a year to see them (and get some food and shopping in) - we kept in regular touch over the phone and by email, and with Skype now, keeping in touch with my sister is extremely easy. In terms of friends, more and more of my mates from Singapore are coming over. I'll touch on that later.
As for safety, I've discussed this on other threads before, so I'll give the short version here. Despite what the news reports in Singapore say, I'm extremely safe in Melbourne. Hell, I've got no problems going anywhere with a Rolex strapped to my wrist.
As for culture and acceptance, that's a really subjective issue, isn't it? Look through this forum and you'll see plenty of people complaining about fitting in in Singapore and being made to feel like second-class citizens even though they're supposed to be first-class citizens, so can we assume that Singaporeans fit into Singaporean culture? In my situation, I've got a good mix of friends who are local and who have migrated here from Singapore and other countries. Also, I'm marrying a local next year and I get along great with her family. What else do I need?
Just last week, one of my secondary school mates finally migrated here with his wife and two daughters. He was doing well for himself in Singapore and also came from a well-to-do family - I still remember hanging out with him at his parents' place in Bukit Timah. His father gave him a couple of hundred grand and said, "Get out of here - Singapore's no place to bring up your kids".
So I think there are some people who, despite their success in Singapore, do see things wrong with living there. Again, looking at threads on the forum, especially in Speaker's Corner, you'd have to question if Singapore is the best place to live. As you've said, it comes down to how much and of what each individual is willing to stomach, and if a 10% GST and high income tax are what I have to put up with, it's more than a fair exchange in my book.