Heaven does not exist - Andrew PK Yap
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I'm not in a position to comment on Christianity because I'm not a Christian, but anyway Gospel of Thomas (mainstream Christians never read this) and Gospel of Mark clearly describes 'kingdom of God' as a spiritual kingdom, not somewhere you can point at.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Time is a measurement of change.
Change is a fundamental condition of existing.
Without change, the concept of time is useless.
Without change the concept of heaven is useless....
If everything is already "perfect" then, everything must logically be frozen in place... in perfection.
Either heaven is a place that is at absolute zero and frozen in perfection... or heaven does not exists.
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Buddha showed the path. He explained "how" and "why". But no inquiry of "how" and "why" is ever satisfactory, you still have to practise to see yourself.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Not just "practise and realise for himself" my friend... like your previous post, I asked you "how" and "why" following the eight fold path will lead to enlightenment and what did you do?
You explained what the 8 fold path and the process of the 8 fold path is...
Why is it so difficult to get through to you? -
You used to be sane. What happened to you?
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Why are you talking to an insane person? I prefer to be a nutcase than to be stupid...Originally posted by MichelleTan:Wasting time talking to a nutcase.
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wow, you know a lot about Christianity, from with that insightful statement...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I'm not in a position to comment on Christianity because I'm not a Christian, but anyway Gospel of Thomas (mainstream Christians never read this) and Gospel of Mark clearly describes 'kingdom of God' as a spiritual kingdom, not somewhere you can point at.
I wont say anything further.. other Christians should know more.
But then what is a "spiritual kingdom"? A frozen and unchanging place? -
saner...Originally posted by Chuichi Koshiramaru:You used to be sane. What happened to you? -
Maybe this question is too difficult and wide ranging for you to answer....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Buddha showed the path. He explained "how" and "why". But no inquiry of "how" and "why" is ever satisfactory, you still have to practise to see yourself. -
You mean "enlightened'?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:saner...
Well, you shouldn't talk about this type of things in this type forum, everyone here will just think you're nuts.
Perhaps you should write a book. -
Yea he's writing a book.. I can still remember the nameOriginally posted by Chuichi Koshiramaru:You mean "enlightened'?
Well, you shouldn't talk about this type of things in this type forum, everyone here will just think you're nuts.
Perhaps you should write a book.
Maybe all our sgForums discussion end up in his book
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It is within and without... what you think?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:wow, you know a lot about Christianity, from with that insightful statement...
But then what is a "spiritual kingdom"? A frozen and unchanging place?
p.s. better not comment too much cos I'm not Christian -
heaven is heaven becos its beyond human imagination and comprehension. so pls dun try to act smart, mr philosopher.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Time is a measurement of change.
Change is a fundamental condition of existing.
Without change, the concept of time is useless.
Without change the concept of heaven is useless....
If everything is already "perfect" then, everything must logically be frozen in place... in perfection.
Either heaven is a place that is at absolute zero and frozen in perfection... or heaven does not exists. -
if he ever publishes a book, sure i'll read it.
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Since it is "beyond human imagination and comprehension " why "use" the concept? Like the Santa Claus "concept" ? You better be nice because he knows who's naughty or nice?Originally posted by VivId CrItiQuE:heaven is heaven becos its beyond human imagination and comprehension. so pls dun try to act smart, mr philosopher.
If you review science and philosophy at the moment, the conclusion is "a perfect place" would be frozen and unchanging. That makes sense because when everything is perfect, there is no need for change and everything comes to a standstill.
I am happy to be called mr philosopher because a philosopher is not a wise man but is a "seeker of wisdom"
I am not so vain as to call myself a wise man but I would like to think of myself as a seeker of wisdom, if you don't mind.
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I mean saner... sane saner sanest...Originally posted by Chuichi Koshiramaru:You mean "enlightened'?
Well, you shouldn't talk about this type of things in this type forum, everyone here will just think you're nuts.
Perhaps you should write a book. -
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For one, I did not use the word "perfect".Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:If things are changing... how can you use the word "perfect"? Yet the concept of heaven is a place of "perfection".
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What I have written:
But many things are not frozen in place.
Hence things are going into chaos.
Thus comes the theory of entropy. (earlier spelling mistake)
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By stating that many things are not frozen in place, I have in fact put forward my opinion that things are not "perfect" with regards to your first post.
And since things are not frozen in place, they will always move into chaos. This is related to entropy. -
I would suggest that the commonly understood / commonly held premise of a "heaven" is a perfect place... I thought you were posting in relation to this thread.Originally posted by eagle:For one, I did not use the word "perfect".
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What I have written:
But many things are not frozen in place.
Hence things are going into chaos.
Thus comes the theory of entropy. (earlier spelling mistake)
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By stating that many things are not frozen in place, I have in fact put forward my opinion that things are not "perfect" with regards to your first post.
And since things are not frozen in place, they will always move into chaos. This is related to entropy. -
Time is not simply a measurement of change. It is much more abstract than simply stating that it is a measurement of change. But let's not discuss this.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Time is a measurement of change.
It's simply this:
1)
AndrewPKYap is a forumer.
Forumers are people who have nothing better to do but sit in front of their computers and type rubbish.
Hence AndrewPKYap is someone who has nothing better to do but sit in front of their computers and type rubbish.
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If Frankfurt is the capital of Germany, then it is in Germany
Frankfurt is in Germany.
Hence Frankfurt is the capital of Germany.
This is what is called a fallacy, or in other words, an error in your reasoning. -
Entropy leads to what? Don't you think that if we regress infinitely, what we end up with would be pure energy? Unless the massive amounts of energy creates new matter... which in turn entropy...Originally posted by eagle:And since things are not frozen in place, they will always move into chaos. This is related to entropy.
This model, as you might notice, does not require a creator for the existence of mass in the universe. -
I wasn't posting in relation earlier, but in my previous post, I did.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I would suggest that the commonly understood / commonly held premise of a "heaven" is a perfect place... I thought you were posting in relation to this thread. -
Entropy does not lead to anything. It's simply a measurement of the state of disorder.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Entropy leads to what? Don't you think that if we regress infinitely, what we end up with would be pure energy? Unless the massive amounts of energy creates new matter... which in turn entropy...
This model, as you might notice, does not require a creator for the existence of mass in the universe. -
This thread is not about time...Originally posted by eagle:Time is not simply a measurement of change. It is much more abstract than simply stating that it is a measurement of change. But let's not discuss this. Talk about fallacy! -
I have said "let's not discuss this".Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:This thread is not about time... Talk about fallacy! -
Entropy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOriginally posted by eagle:Entropy does not lead to anything. It's simply a measurement of the state of disorder.
Ice melting - classic example of entropy increasing [1] described in 1862 by Rudolf Clausius as an increase in the disgregation of the molecules of the body ...
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I'm quoting from Resnick and Halliday physics textbook. Wikipedia is nowhere compared to these two great physics authors.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Entropy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ice melting - classic example of entropy increasing [1] described in 1862 by Rudolf Clausius as an increase in the disgregation of the molecules of the body ...