Odex Seeking Compensation From Anime Downloaders
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Honestly, now's a good time for new companies with a greater sensitivity to market needs to come forth.Originally posted by MyPillowTalks:we shld start a company and provide good subtitles and win odex!
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MDA's fault. Don't believe? Ask ODEX.Originally posted by Vigelic:Why? btw is there any nice dvd animes in singapore NOT distributed by odex? i wanna buy. i went to comics connection to find.. but its all odex.. except inuyasha (i think) but that's vcd..
and anyway the odex dvd i turn behind and tried to read the synopsis.. can't understand.. it's all broken english.. -_-
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Originally posted by ditzy:MDA's fault. Don't believe? Ask ODEX.
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Later Odex will recieve a letter from MDA demanding compensation and public apology.
Otherwise, like MM Lee says, "if you don't sue, u're admitting guilt!" MDA better respond hor. -
http://www.odex.com.sg/forums/viewtopic.php?t=97&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
From today onwards 03 09 2007.
No backlog letters will be sent.
No one will receive any more letters dated after August who addresses illegal filesharing with dated evidence.
Let me put it in a very clear and straightforward release to avoid any misunderstanding then.
If an individual stop downloading now, today, on the 3rd September, 2007, he will have no possibility of ever receiving any letters from the copyright holders, (aka the Odex letter) as we will not take anything that he has downloaded before this date against him. We will not send any letters to him.
If an individual continues to download and shows up on our investigation we will send him a letter to ask him to explain why it is so. If he cannot give us a reasonable explanation of why that happened, we will reserve the rights to take legal action against him, with all the evidences that we have collected before and after the 3rd of September (there would necessarily be evidence after the 3rd in order for this to happen).
If you have any friends who still do not know the danger of filesharing, please let them know. Filesharing is illegal and it infringes the intellectual property of the copyright holders. Please do not download.
(o.o)
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http://digital.asiaone.com/Digital/News/Story/A1Story20070903-24068.html -
thats good news
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lets see how long we singaporeans can endure before they go d/l again....
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How is that good news? Its just a mere distraction.Originally posted by AMEN567889:thats good news
Odex failed :-
1. As a distributor to release their licensed anime quick enough for the anime fans here, and when the anime fans are tired of waiting and go for fansubs, they decide to sue them. This is the internet age. If you can't keep up, you get kicked out. Fansubs are faster and apparently are of better quality.
2. To assure the quality of their subbing, and video standards. No Singaporean wants to buy sub-standard products when better ones are available cheaply, and in this case FREELY.
From a consumer point of view, he is being sued because he sought an alternative due to the lack of availability of the product he desires, and finally when the product is out, it is of inferior quality.
They ought to be grateful that those consumers who bought their crappy products didn't make any reports to CASE about it.
Finally, I sincerely doubt the court will rule in favor of releasing the identities of the PacNet subscribers. I think one of the Straits Times columnist made it quite clear that, Odex, or whoever, is able to come up with concrete proof, that those individuals have "illegally" downloaded some licensed material of THEIRS, then the court will order PacNet to hand over the names of the subscribers behind the IP. Again, IP addresses cannot pin point an individual, especially in this wireless-rampant environment.
If for some reason (eg. wireless network broken into), the names were given to Odex, and the subscribers were NOT responsible for the downloads, then the Privacy of the subscribers would have been breached unfairly.
IMO If this happened before the advent of wireless networks, Odex could get away with it. Having the IP address roughly narrows it to one household. And the subscriber would have to be somewhat responsible.
But with wireless networks, its not narrowing down the "illegal" downloader to 1 house hold, but possibly, a few clusters of households. It would be unfair to burden the subscriber when home-wireless network equipment are insecure when compared to industry equipment. -
odex is merely trying to divide and conquer.... and get the heat off their back.
they probably have no confidence in their upcoming appeal... and decided to backdown alittle before the tsunami hits. -
ho ho, Board of Flim Censors shoot back liao
Subtitles must be done accurately: Censors
Letter form Tan Lee Cheng, Senior Asst Director (Film Standards), Board of Film Censors
We refer to the article "Japanese anime firms close ranks with Odex" (Aug 31).
Mr Peter Go, managing director of Odex, is said to have commented that the subtitles of some of his anime series had to be tweaked to conform to the Board of Film Censors' (BFC) requirements.
This statement is not correct and the BFC would like to take this opportunity to clarify its position.
Subtitles are usually provided by distributors to reach out to a wider audience or to translate content that may be in a foreign language (example, Japanese anime). There are occasions when the quality of translation may be the cause of poor subtitling. This has nothing to do with the classification process but it is still worthwhile for distributors to address as consumers would expect to have accurate translation of purchased works.
It is also the distributor's responsibility to ensure that subtitles reflect the true content of an anime (that is, animation) especially its dialogue and commentary. If subtitles are not accurate, they can mislead the viewer and also make it difficult for the BFC to classify an anime accurately.
The BFC has never asked for subtitles to be tweaked. We require that subtitles accurately reflect the content of a film or video so that we can classify the content accurately. Inaccurate subtitles also do no service to the community or to the young who may be misled into thinking that an anime is suitable for them when it could be meant for a higher age group.
As the ratings for videos (including anime) range from G to M18, there is sufficient leeway to allow for the subtitling of mature content without subtitles having to be tweaked.
We urge all distributors to translate and subtitle their content accurately so that they can provide an informative service to viewers.
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/209169.asp -
Tsk tsk tsk....
They tried to taichi the problem of poor subtitling to the MDA....
.... and they got karate-chopped in the back by the BFC. -
G and S shooting at their own leg, haha, LPPL case, Yue Tu Yue Hei
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i think the Board of Prud... uhhh Censors.. just blasted Xedo...
now.. as consumers, can we go demand our money back for the discs with lousy subtitling?
seriously... it's bad product.. and with the Censors firing that broadside at Xedo, they just gave the consumer even more ammo to blast Xedo -
Well, they got themselves into it.
After all, they were the ones who claimed that the censors were to blame for poor subtitling.
Considering the poor grammar and vocabulary in the subtitles, I suppose it's a bit too much to ask them to understand the phrases 'Look before you leap' and 'Out of the frying pan and into the fire'. -
Don't play with the gahmen lah.
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they tried to use govt as an excuse, but the case is singapore, our govt cannt tahan that.
the more to be speaked, the more to be unveiled.
if the 2 could just shut up and everything will be alright for them.
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Good job, Board of Film Censors!
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They are damn lucky that BFC wasn't as heartless as those so called "anime-fans-for-the-greater-good" and respond with a lawsuit.
I believe the forum page of today's Home Section, someone commented that the Japanese animation industry is booming and not ailing despite filesharing of their anime. In the article, it quotes the 2006 issue of Reason Magazine, saying, that the Japanese animation industry reached an astonishing $80 billion in 2004, which was 10 times what they were, in 2003.
These fansubs have helped promoted otherwise unknown titles of Japanse animation to popularity.
The comment by the author was made in response to Mr Go's statement that the Japanese animation industries banded together for crackdown action to prevent a possible collapse, like the South Korean ones.
I think most anime fans know the real reason behind South Korean animation industry collapse. Fansubs couldn't save them simply cos the Korean language is not as well proliferated as the Japanese language, hence lesser fansubs, and lower market penetration. It was not due to piracy that forced them to shut down.
My personal opinions regarding this remain the same. Odex is doing this because their profits, NOT the Japanese animation industry's has been hurt by fansubs. Now, if they had been providing quality products, and released them quickly via the internet in pay-per-download fashion, I would FULLY support their attempt to sue "illegal downloaders." Anime fans today DON'T WANT to wait months for a VCD/DVD to be released with crappy subtitling. They want their fix of their fav anime as soon as its out.
Also, Odex failed to understand that its these fansubs that have brought awareness & popularity to THEIR products.
Without the fansubs and anime fans who downloaded (may i add, well subbed) animes, Odex would have no business to be in at all. Positive experience from these fansubs have brought about awareness to the new animes by recommendations and reviews.
Dear Odex, stop antagonizing all the anime fans that are supposed to form your customer base. You have to match the fansubs in quality, and speed before most anime fans would support your enforcement action. -
durai learnt it the hard way, apparently odex wants a taste of it as well.
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I wait for the day someone or some company files a lawsuit against Odex.
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I have a question.Originally posted by Shotgun:My personal opinions regarding this remain the same. Odex is doing this because their profits, NOT the Japanese animation industry's has been hurt by fansubs. Now, if they had been providing quality products, and released them quickly via the internet in pay-per-download fashion, I would FULLY support their attempt to sue "illegal downloaders." [b]Anime fans today DON'T WANT to wait months for a VCD/DVD to be released with crappy subtitling. They want their fix of their fav anime as soon as its out.
If released via the internet must go through MDA/BFC or not?
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Isn't it very obvious that from their first post till now all their reactions , you can already tell that they are only concerned with how to milk money from consumers . Since you don't buy our stuff so we'll sue you for downloading lor , and since now it has blown into a big thingy they are now trying to push blame to other pple or dept whever they can in the hope that pple won't flame them so much . But from what i see , these pple are really gutless , dare to post and do but don't dare to admit their own mistakes , always trying to chose the easy way out , another guniang . As we all heard this saying before " by hook or by crook " , so if they can't do it by hook , so they do it by crook lor . Anyway i hate that " fellas " face also , the one who posted the first remark abt fining downloader . Can't make money through hardwork then now trying to use the easy way and employing taichi , truly despicable .
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I suppose thats the eventual hitch they need to iron out with the relevant authorities.Originally posted by Icemoon:I have a question.
If released via the internet must go through MDA/BFC or not?
In Singapore, Bloggers can be sued and prosecuted. If you release an anime, the BFC would definitely want to know whether its content is appropriate for the relevant age groups.
Besides, thats THEIR headache to resolve. And not ours. We just want our anime fix. -
The point is, fansub will always be faster than any commercially-released sub.Originally posted by Shotgun:I suppose thats the eventual hitch they need to iron out with the relevant authorities.
In Singapore, Bloggers can be sued and prosecuted. If you release an anime, the BFC would definitely want to know whether its content is appropriate for the relevant age groups.
Besides, thats THEIR headache to resolve. And not ours. We just want our anime fix.
I'm not sure what is their shortest 'time to market' .. but if you are an anime fan, can you wait for odex to finish subbing, one round of QA and then going through censorship?
I don't think fansub will disappear even if odex comes out with 'master-grade' subtitles. And with people discussing the latest episode of your favourite anime online, you will be tempted again to download from fansubs. Even though you dutifully delete them after 24 hours.
How odex can provide value is to come out with quality boxsets in shops. -
why got 2 threads regarding odex ar?