Odex Seeking Compensation From Anime Downloaders
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March 11, 2008
Odex confused by 'minefield of copyright law': judge
By Chua Hian Hou
'LULLED into 'complacency' by its earlier victories and confused by the 'minefield of copyright law', anime distributor Odex did not realise it was the wrong party to ask the courts for the names of alleged infringers from their Internet service provider, said the judge who dismissed its appeal in his written judgement released on Tuesday.
However, Justice Woo Bih Li had earlier ruled that Odex's level of proof, which had been brought into question, was sufficient to show copyright infringement.
And since the actual rights owners - who should had been the ones asking for such information - had subsequently joined its action to obtain the identities of these infringers, he ordered PacNet to cough up the names of the alleged downloaders in the 'interest of justice'.
Last May, Odex, which distributes the animated Japanese cartoons, incurred the wrath of the Singapore online community when it began sending letters to anime downloaders demanding payment of between $3,000 and $5,000.
The sums, it said, was to settle their alleged infringing activities in lieu of further action. Several hundred have done so.
Odex successfully got court orders to obtain the names of alleged downloaders from SingNet and StarHub, but its attempt to get the identities of PacNet downloaders was dismissed by District Judge Erneest Lau, who said Odex was the wrong party to ask for such information and that it did not have good enough proof.
Odex appealed, and in January Justice Woo ruled that PacNet would give the names to the Japanese rights owners, but not Odex. -
So is ODEX going to apologize and return the money?
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
So is ODEX going to apologize and return the money?
maybe they would pass the $$$ to the rightfull owner and get money as reward
money money moeny....ohh yeeaa
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Originally posted by MyPillowTalks:
maybe they would pass the $$$ to the rightfull owner and get money as rewardmoney money moeny....ohh yeeaa
Lose it big and get small rewards in return? Unbelievable for a business.
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I guess somethings aren't going to go down so easily.
Just a preview:
.i|i. In between these two candlesticks, a message appears. .i|i.
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
So is ODEX going to apologize and return the money?
Need to use lawsuits to beat the crap out of odex before they cough it up. I know downloading anime is illegal but anime lovers should follow the example of the lady who got a writ of seizure to seize nokia's assets when they sold her a faulty phone. -
Originally posted by DriftingGuy:
Need to use lawsuits to beat the crap out of odex before they cough it up. I know downloading anime is illegal but anime lovers should follow the example of the lady who got a writ of seizure to seize nokia's assets when they sold her a faulty phone.This will hardly occur in Singapore.
I doubt if any Singaporeans are keen on it. Those who paid up have lost enough, to pay for another lawsuit they won't be very keen.
Besides, if I'm not mistaken, majority of those who got the ODEX letters are young people and their parents paid up for them. Not a fat chance of getting their parents to sue ODEX and ask for the money back.
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Why never hear from that Odex fellow anymore!
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Originally posted by wonderamazement:
Why never hear from that Odex fellow anymore!
hes busy neg with the japs for more $$$.... -
actually i think the pple should be sueing stahub and singnet for revealing their details to illegal claimants as well...
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Originally posted by hisoka:
actually i think the pple should be sueing stahub and singnet for revealing their details to illegal claimants as well…
actuali tis is gd point... then sue odex too for infringement of privacy... -
Originally posted by BrUtUs:
actuali tis is gd point... then sue odex too for infringement of privacy...x2
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Originally posted by hisoka:
actually i think the pple should be sueing stahub and singnet for revealing their details to illegal claimants as well…
singtel and starhub had court orders. only thing is how come the judges have different standard -
i thought singnet no court orders? starhub not so sure.
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Originally posted by Lin Yu:
singtel and starhub had court orders. only thing is how come the judges have different standard
Individual's personal judgement... -
so the main question now is, can dl bo?
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Originally posted by stellazio:
so the main question now is, can dl bo?
Can! Pay And Pay First -
give pay and pay money and you can d/l =D
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Originally posted by Lin Yu:
Can! Pay And Pay Firstyar i go subscribe to some vpn and dl like nobody business.
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Originally posted by Lin Yu:
singtel and starhub had court orders. only thing is how come the judges have different standardNope.
It's how they react, not the judges.
For Singtel, it's a pure surrender. Not even a fight.
Starhub went to fight it out and lose it.
Pacnet fight and won but lose appeal.
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so still cannot download?
watch by online stream can?
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Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:
so still cannot download?
watch by online stream can?
never heard of people tio catch watching online one leh. so ok?ahahaha i oso watch online one. better no catch la.
and how to catch?
check ur cache for .flv files ah?
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surf porn ok, dl porn ok, but dl anime NOT OK
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starhub and singtel are all under temasek holdings which is in turn linked to the government. The judicary system in singapore is also strongly linked with tthe government