Odex Seeking Compensation From Anime Downloaders
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but frankly speakingOriginally posted by wonderamazement:Hopefully all those that kena fined bah... Those who nvr kena got nothing to do with this ma... Blardy hell, once my contract with starhub ends... Guess which ISP i'm gonna go...
normally ppl sign up is based on which isp
give the best freebies one
why not we shall see next week comex show
we shall see pac net will be having long Q bo
dont forget humans are still greedy beings
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Esp kiasu sgreans...Originally posted by noahnoah:but frankly speaking
normally ppl sign up is based on which isp
give the best freebies one
why not we shall see next week comex show
we shall see pac net will be having long Q bo
dont forget humans are still greedy beings -
imagine if singnet or starhubOriginally posted by wonderamazement:Esp kiasu sgreans...
will to give PS3
and pacnet say we are loyal to our customers
we never will disclose information
one will prefer to see something physical
then to something that they cant see -
starhub singnet... useless. Hahah.
After my contract with starhub ends. It's hello pacnet and FO starhub!
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Has SingNet let Singapore down?
Aug 26, 2007
CNET Asia
Sober IT truths from the island-state
by Nicholas Aaron Khoo, Singapore
In the latest cyclone of anti-piracy nicknamed 'ODEXed' to hit Singapore on anime download which is quite well covered in 'unker' Tan's blog, the focus has begun to shift from ODex to the neo-villian SingNet.
Heard from the grapevine (blogs, forums, and coffeeshops)
"SingNet failed to send a lawyer to contest ODex. Gasp!"
"WTF!!"
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"o.O"
"I'm changing ISP" (heard quite a few times)
What a PR disaster! And the best part of it in, SingNet is still quiet about it while the entire blogosphere is going crazy over it.
A quick scan around the net and you will find mounting displeasure over SingNet's attitude towards this whole issue.
It's so bad it's overshadowing the 'arrogant Stephen Sing'.
And it's no longer about whether ODEX is right to sue the kids for piracy in the first place, it's about SingNet not even lifting a finger to protect their customers' privacy.
SingNet should formulate a PR campaign to salvage their reputation, fast.
And in the process change the lawyers advising them on IP issues.
For those of you who do not know, SingNet is the ISP arm of Singtel, one of the largest telecommunications giant in the region with business reaching as far as Australia and way beyond.
For a long long time, Singapore has been making waves worldwide through good local companies like Singapore Airlines.
Singtel is supposed to be another such iconic company - with their aggressive global expansion strategy.
And for a long time the market has believed that Singtel is a professionally run company.
All the more which makes this "SingNet failed to send a lawyer to contest ODex" unacceptable.
Even more so, their silence on this PR disaster.
For the 1,000 SingNet subscribers who have been issued letters by ODEX and paid their settlement, I can imagine their anger towards SingNet will not be small; noting that Stephen Sing was so scared he had to go to the police after receiving death threats.
Although I do not wish for any of that strong anger to reach here, do sign up for a CNET Asia account and share with me your thoughts in the comments box.
Whilst this privacy issue is already such a big thing for their customers, if SingNet still does not understand customer privacy and get it's act together, it will reflect poorly of Singtel as an iconic company for Singapore.
UPDATED Some interesting new links I found
People's Action Figure Party Peaceful Street Protest
ODEX Directors were involved with the piracy business Games Mart
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/geekonomics/post.htm?id=63000326
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Interesting article found on Geekonomics, a CNET Asia blog. -
In front someone say BayTSP charge very high rates... but today the TODAY paper report... BayTSP charges $12 for 100 files nia...
$12 want to con ppl of $5000
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singnet does not send any lawyers to argue the case...they just care about profit not privacy. who care about that when there is $$$$. i think singnet sales is going down these few months. they give freebies also suck. use until half way modem diconnected and burn out. i changing my ISP after my plan.
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Singnet is well known for their farked up customer service anyway.
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Lifted from HWZ (for all those who received the letters, read this with regards to getting your money back)
Credits to skywander of HWZ
RE: http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showpost.php?p=25282551&postcount=1
Odex owned you; time to own Odex back
Hi guys,
While most anime downloaders, especially PacNet users, are rejoicing at the news, there may be news that might make you even happier.
The latest Pacnet hearing has certainly flipped the tables on Odex; both in it's result and the judicial reasoning employed to attain that result. According to the Straits Times report, District Judge Ernest Lau arrived at his judgment by two reasonings;
The draconian and drastic consequences of such an order upon the receiving party; ie, thus, an extremely strong standard of proof would be required for such an order in a civil case.
A proper action for copyright infringement should be brought directly by the Japanese anime studios or the EXCLUSIVE LICENSEE. Odex is a sub-licensee (don't ask me about the difference in definition but hey, it's straight from the horse's mouth...) (Pay attention to this one ) but Odex is NEITHER the copyright owner nor EXCLUSIVE LICENSEE of the anime titles.
Interesting. So the point of my post?
According to a little used s.200 of our Copyright Act, , any person threatened with legal action for copyright infringement may bring an action to declare such threats unjustifiable, obtain an injunction against further such threats and...
Recover damages he has sustained.
Yup, you heard right.
You can sue Odex for any damages they may have caused you as a result of the now baseless legal threat they have made against you. Especially if District Judge Ernest Lau's judicial reasoning is upheld through appeal and thereby strengthened.
Furthermore, you may choose to launch this as a class action suit. Anyone who was issued with the dread Odex letter can choose to join the class action suit both concentrating your forces and of course, spreading out the legal fees.
Dozo.
P.S There is considerable legal doubt whether the settlement contract signed with Odex will stand. You can claim duress which will render the contract void (I believe there are plenty of substantial reasons which I won't go into here, to argue duress) and any contract clauses that require you to give up your legal cause of action against Odex smacks of illegality.
The Unfair Contract Terms Act was pretty unhelpful here but I believe there are common law doctrines to be argued against those clauses. -
and here is the exact paragraph which states you can sue odex for threatening u with legal action under the copyright law for which it had no right to:
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_getdata.pl?actno=2006-REVED-63&doctitle=COPYRIGHT%20ACT%0a&date=latest&method=part&sl=1&segid=1138345608-006559#1138345608-006757
Groundless threats of legal proceedings
200. —(1) Where a person, by means of circulars, advertisements or otherwise, threatens a person with an action or proceeding in respect of an infringement of copyright, then, whether the person making the threats is or is not the owner of the copyright or an exclusive licensee, a person aggrieved may bring an action against the first-mentioned person and may —
(a) obtain a declaration to the effect that the threats are unjustifiable;
(b) obtain an injunction against the continuance of the threats; and
(c) recover such damages, if any, as he has sustained,
unless the first-mentioned person satisfies the court that the acts in respect of which the action or proceeding was threatened constituted, or, if done, would constitute, an infringement of copyright.
(2) The mere notification of the existence of a copyright does not constitute a threat of an action or proceeding within the meaning of this section.
(3) Nothing in this section shall render an advocate and solicitor liable to an action under this section in respect of an act done by him in his professional capacity on behalf of a client.
(4) The defendant in an action under this section may apply, by way of counterclaim, for relief to which he would be entitled in a separate action in respect of an infringement by the plaintiff of the copyright to which the threats relate and, in any such case, the provisions of this Act with respect to an action for infringement of a copyright are, with the necessary modifications, applicable in relation to the action.
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Odex just got "Odexed"..
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Later Odex get those Jap anime studios to come to SG then it becomes square 1 or what we say LPPL
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singnet make a very costly mistake, when they did not even send any lawyer to the hearing and throw in the towel already.
It will be one costly mistake it make at home, which users will make it pay for its take your money and let other screw you attitude ....
The most costly mistake will be oversea ..... with other countries people look at this incident, who in the would would let Singtel go and take over their vital communication network. Look at whereever singtel goes it face local opposition - aust , thailand ,indonesia ..... this lastest PR failure make things worst - it totally show their concern is valid .......
Who knows maybe one day they may give out the thailand general account to Odex to sue for downloading anime also ...... !!!!
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1 qns when odex or xedo stop their suing? A few of my friends kana the letter and quite unhappy abt it.
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if they gonna get those japan company they must sue the whole world for pple downloading anime. how is a japan company gonna do that? as we speak now pple from other country are downloading anime like bleach and naruto and other anime.Originally posted by ryangian:Later Odex get those Jap anime studios to come to SG then it becomes square 1 or what we say LPPL -
if they're really keen on profiting from this, why target Singapore with such a small population of people?Originally posted by Hanagata:if they gonna get those japan company they must sue the whole world for pple downloading anime. how is a japan company gonna do that? as we speak now pple from other country are downloading anime like bleach and naruto and other anime.
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i heard somewhere that ODEX bribed singtel to shut up....
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[quote]Originally posted by lost.soul:
i heard somewhere that ODEX bribed singtel to shut up....
i may be wrong[/quote
bride???? -
call CPIB
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so wad now?
can still dl anime or stream anime or not? -
i don't even dare to download porn nowOriginally posted by AMEN567889:so wad now?
can still dl anime or stream anime or not? -
Originally posted by fai:i don't even dare to download porn now porn got involve ODEX meh
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i dun even dare to use my bitcomet dl thing la...wtf...
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lol. Hopefully it will end soon. Imagine those who paid a certain site monthly fees, and scared kana this letter. Then money wasted.
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my singnet contract is ending soon...
and guess wad isp i m gonna switch to