Are they OVER-REACTING?
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As much as I love my muslim friends, i've this to say.
Why do they always have the 'I am a Muslim. Anyone got a problem with that?' attitude?
We have to take particular care that the food they eat at any canteen/restaurant/function/party/etc is certified halal. Otherwise there will be another uproar. Vegetarians served meat can reject peacefully. So can Jews served non-kosher food. So can hindus accidentaly served beef. These people are seldom afforded such special attention with regards to their food preferences.
The food issue is, among others, another avenue for segregation. We have 'Muslims, this way please', 'Muslims fall in!', 'Any Muslims here?', 'Sorry, we are Muslims', 'Sorry we don't eat (whatever)', 'Is that allowed in Islam?', blah blah.
I watched the documentary 'Bloody cartoons' http://www.whydemocracy.net/film/11 We've had religious figures of every other religion portrayed in various demeaning ways over the course of history. Yet they do not have a global call-to-arms. Why such a huge outcry?
To make matters worse, the protests and demonstrations were called for by religious heads and imams. People who can easily mobilize the masses. Does the Pope call for protests and stuff? Or even your local bishop? Or Taoist priest?
To me, they seem to be overreacting.
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poor education and upbringing for some
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I think its just YOUR muslim friends laOriginally posted by CUM ON MY FACE:As much as I love my muslim friends, i've this to say.
Why do they always have the 'I am a Muslim. Anyone got a problem with that?' attitude?
We have to take particular care that the food they eat at any canteen/restaurant/function/party/etc is certified halal. Otherwise there will be another uproar. Vegetarians served meat can reject peacefully. So can Jews served non-kosher food. So can hindus accidentaly served beef. These people are seldom afforded such special attention with regards to their food preferences.
The food issue is, among others, another avenue for segregation. We have 'Muslims, this way please', 'Muslims fall in!', 'Any Muslims here?', 'Sorry, we are Muslims', 'Sorry we don't eat (whatever)', 'Is that allowed in Islam?', blah blah.
To me, they seem to be overreacting.
... My muslim friends are very ok about it...we try to think about their needs la but when we forgot about the halal thing(like offering them non-halal food, they'll just reject it and remind us)
Think its just a small group that is overreacting...But we should be mindful about ther food requirement since we're 1 bg family
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i agree with TS.
but i wont be surprised if some bloody idiot calls ts a racist. -
racist is for race...Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:i agree with TS.
but i wont be surprised if some bloody idiot calls ts a racist. -
Race and religion is quite similar to a certain extend for musliM.Originally posted by mhcampboy:racist is for race...
Cuz i think like 95% of sg malays are muslim?
From my own understanding.
Unlike other religions. -
my good frens, mostly malay
i don't mind 'sacrificing' myself to cater for them
i eat anything also song 1 -
Well.. I know this is sensitive and I don't mean to generalise, but I have to agree with the TS. On a very general level I really dislike their attitude. It's like they think being loud and uncouth will prove their point. That's NOT to say there aren't exceptions of course.. I can click damn well with some of my muslim NS mates.. They even ask me buy food for them secretly during fasting period.. Lolz.Originally posted by dragoncloud:I think its just YOUR muslim friends la ... My muslim friends are very ok about it...we try to think about their needs la but when we forgot about the halal thing(like offering them non-halal food, they'll just reject it and remind us)
Think its just a small group that is overreacting...But we should be mindful about ther food requirement since we're 1 bg family
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how so?Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:Race and religion is quite similar to a certain extend.
got chn muslim.. indian muslim... malay muslim...
so if an ind call this thread racist...which race is he directing to? -
don't forget Arab Muslims.... African Muslims... Caucasian Muslims....
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Yes, I dont understand why the need to be loud and uncouth. It's almost like when you somehow 'step on their toes', you almost expect them to get violent or something. Of course, there are exceptions. But generally, you get that feeling in your throat.. that they will hit back hard to get the point across.Originally posted by S.KCH:Well.. I know this is sensitive and I don't mean to generalise, but I have to agree with the TS. On a very general level I really dislike their attitude. It's like they think being loud and uncouth will prove their point. That's NOT to say there aren't exceptions of course.. I can click damn well with some of my muslim NS mates.. They even ask me buy food for them secretly during fasting period.. Lolz. -
only people with limited mindspans and a generalized perception of people's social behaviour would think this way, be it muslims or non-muslims.
say by accident, u serve a jewish man and a muslim man pork. both WILL react the same way. Its just that because in S'pore, the majority of the muslims are malays and it is well known that they are associated with Islam so by nature they will react to a certain level of anger when faced with any thing they perceive as being anti-muslim (i dont mean tt in a bad way, (like a non-halal bistro or not enough mosques etc. get wat i mean?)
anyway, try put a muslim in a place like Canada (this is based on the personal xperiences of ppl i noe) or any other country where the majority of the ppl are non-muslims) u think they will react the same way when prob faced with a 'muslim problem'? In a predominantly jewish town, u serve pork, the ppl will over-react. in a city where islam is the religion for a race of ppl making up the 2nd most highest pecentage of the population (and also with the fact tt singapore is considered 'muslim-friendly') , the ppl will over-react.
add in sensitive feelings like 'im a muslim, got a problem wiv tt' or 'muslims r overreacting' and a little 'im misunderstood and i deserved to be treat equally', and the 'issue' will be blown way outta proportion.
about the 'im a muslim got a prob wiv tt', if i recall correctly the jews of USA have also faced wiv a similar difficulty, esp after WW2...and i remember someone telling me in the past, they also faced alot of problems bcos of their religion..like having 2 wear yarmulkas(jewish 'songkok'), being diff, being misunderstood etc. i think its just ongoing pressure and stuff like dat...these kinda things may seem trivial but it takes a certain kind of...i dunno, maturity 2 understand.
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okay you are teh 1337Originally posted by mhcampboy:how so?
got chn muslim.. indian muslim... malay muslim...
so if an ind call this thread racist...which race is he directing to?
i am teh sux.
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xephone, I get what you mean.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:okay you are teh 1337
i am teh sux.
bye.
The conection between religion and race does exist for muslims in SG, because the great majority are malay by race. -
edit: double post
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tats not wad i meant... 0_O"Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:okay you are teh 1337
i am teh sux.
bye.
sorry lar...
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i mus agree on the poor upbringing and education part.
jus tht some muslim ple are inflexible. mus eat at place wif halal cert. got some even terror. halal cert oso cannt. they mus realli realli trust the person then can eat de food served. some like me bo chup coffee shop western food oso steady.
wna eat pork? go ahead.
loud and uncouth i believe bend more towrds malay and not muslim. due to the poor upbringing and education part. broken families etc. some malay might feel the need to conform to malay standards thus they oso gt loud and uncouth behavior, peer pressure. i dun realli mix wif those kinds. -
the part about flexibility is quite true. Even among my muslim friends, there is a variation between their level of 'edibility' of any given establishment.Originally posted by cApitaland:i mus agree on the poor upbringing and education part.
jus tht some muslim ple are inflexible. mus eat at place wif halal cert. got some even terror. halal cert oso cannt. they mus realli realli trust the person then can eat de food served. some like me bo chup coffee shop western food oso steady.
wna eat pork? go ahead.
loud and uncouth i believe bend more towrds malay and not muslim. due to the poor upbringing and education part. broken families etc. some malay might feel the need to conform to malay standards thus they oso gt loud and uncouth behavior, peer pressure. i dun realli mix wif those kinds.
it becomes very difficult for people of different upbringing to mix. I see this a lot long time ago in the army. The good ones (all races) always get jeered at by the uncouth ones. this creates a rift -
And one thing i notice about them , is they are always the one criticizing other religion , and sometimes infront of ppl .... but just try to shoot one back at them , they start getting agressive.
Lucky not infront of me , If they do that i will just tell them , bro , you shoot me 10 times i can easily shoot you back 10 times , and i will defiantly piss you off ...
For me simple , i dont care who de fark you ar ... as long as you criticize me , i will comfirm criticize you back , and if you start getting agressive with me , i will use my hand on You. Simple.
Religion is just between me and god !!! not you , he , she , me and god.
And what you believe in , doesnt means i have to belive it too.
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Oh ya hor... Sorry. I stand corrected.. Stupid me!Originally posted by cApitaland:loud and uncouth i believe bend more towrds malay and not muslim. due to the poor upbringing and education part. broken families etc. some malay might feel the need to conform to malay standards thus they oso gt loud and uncouth behavior, peer pressure. i dun realli mix wif those kinds.
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pls dont make it sound tt way. as someone neutral (ima christian-muslim convert) it seems tt i can recall lotsa occasions where one race/religion insults the other (no im not gonna go into detail, ps, being multilingual helps in a way...)
i dunno la...human nature.
(okok stop saying tt.)
btw, anyone feeling unhappy just control...view things from a diff perspective, everyone hs a right 2 feel wat they feel.
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i dont want to Cum on your face.
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but you are welcome to, kid.Originally posted by r0mE_27:i dont want to Cum on your face.
clone.
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*snort*Originally posted by CUM ON MY FACE:As much as I love my muslim friends, i've this to say.
Why do they always have the 'I am a Muslim. Anyone got a problem with that?' attitude?
We have to take particular care that the food they eat at any canteen/restaurant/function/party/etc is certified halal. Otherwise there will be another uproar. Vegetarians served meat can reject peacefully. So can Jews served non-kosher food. So can hindus accidentaly served beef. These people are seldom afforded such special attention with regards to their food preferences.
The food issue is, among others, another avenue for segregation. We have 'Muslims, this way please', 'Muslims fall in!', 'Any Muslims here?', 'Sorry, we are Muslims', 'Sorry we don't eat (whatever)', 'Is that allowed in Islam?', blah blah.
I watched the documentary 'Bloody cartoons' http://www.whydemocracy.net/film/11 We've had religious figures of every other religion portrayed in various demeaning ways over the course of history. Yet they do not have a global call-to-arms. Why such a huge outcry?
To make matters worse, the protests and demonstrations were called for by religious heads and imams. People who can easily mobilize the masses. Does the Pope call for protests and stuff? Or even your local bishop? Or Taoist priest?
To me, they seem to be overreacting.
if they are your 'friends' then i think the decent thing to do is to try and respect someone else's way of life.
i don't see what's the big deal about needing to go to a halal or vegetarian or kosher restaurant if there's someone in the group who feels more comfortable with it. It's just food!
You have to respect those who choose to speak up for their rights, for their beliefs, for their differences, without causing hurt to others. Would you assert your beliefs if one day you go to a place that serves you something you have been brought up to never consider eating?
Don't lump people who speak up for their rights to people who abuse religion to create wars. -
There are many ways for people to speak up for their own rights. It is not necessary to reject an offer by saying "I'm so-and-so. Anyone got a problem with that?".Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:*snort*
if they are your 'friends' then i think the decent thing to do is to try and respect someone else's way of life.
i don't see what's the big deal about needing to go to a halal or vegetarian or kosher restaurant if there's someone in the group who feels more comfortable with it. It's just food!
You have to respect those who choose to speak up for their rights, for their beliefs, for their differences, without causing hurt to others. Would you assert your beliefs if one day you go to a place that serves you something you have been brought up to never consider eating?
Don't lump people who speak up for their rights to people who abuse religion to create wars.
And TS, eh, I suppose you're one of the non-hostile clones (as opposed to teh rapper) around. I suggest you should just change your username for your own sake la, k?