Guess the hottest field of study...
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Robot Science?
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The strange thing about the ant colony is that it functions... why should the ant colony work? Who's the boss? Do the ants know anything? If you ask the ant, "Are you doing this, sacrificing yourself, for the sake of the colony?"
The ant will ask you, "Huh? What colony?"
The ant doesn't even know it exists, much less the colony and yet, there you have it, the ant colony!
If you ask the queen ant if she is the director, she will say, "Don't disturb me, I am too busy making babies to direct anything".
The soldier ant will ask you, "What's a soldier?"
Nobody in the ant colony understands anything and yet the ant colony works!
It used to be that people thought that they know how the ant colony works but nowadays, nobody is sure anymore.
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It is more fundamental than this... the people doing AI should ALSO find this very useful for their work.... that is why it will be so hot!Originally posted by deathscythe99:Robot Science?
AI??
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The study of non-existence
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That is for self development...Originally posted by dinky1409:The study of non-existence -
Self motivation?
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This is a non-sequitur.
"hardly anyone has heard of it at the present..."
Therefore it is obscure or non-existent at present.
As for the future it is speculative, and not verifiable until the time comes.
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wah piangz eh...
really bang balls leh...
since topic start until now i keep readin next page next page next page...
read until page 9 for 3days alr still now ans.. -
Unexplained science. There are some things which science cant explain YET.
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come let's play the chain game..
You want to be in the field of study that hardly anyone has heard of at the present, but will be the field every top student wants to study in the future... what will it be?
Like biotech or genetics thirty years ago...
Let's hear what you think before I tell you what it is...
Remember huh, "hardly anyone has heard of it at the present..." -
hmmmm....Originally posted by lpx88:Self motivation? -
This is a strange way to use the concept of "non-sequitur".Originally posted by mancha:This is a non-sequitur.
"hardly anyone has heard of it at the present..."
Therefore it is obscure or non-existent at present.
As for the future it is speculative, and not verifiable until the time comes.
One needs to be a soothsayer for this.
Strictly speaking it should be used to show flaws in argumentative logic...
Not soothsayer... Hawking... he said so... see:Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:see 06 November 2007 · 12:30 PM (page 6) -
I thought that buy the time I mentioned "ant colony" it would have been obvious... I even went on to explain the "mystery" surrounding the ant colony and yet ... *sigh*Originally posted by RiverFoX:wah piangz eh...
really bang balls leh...
since topic start until now i keep readin next page next page next page...
read until page 9 for 3days alr still now ans.. -
scientists do not believe that... they say that it is only a matter of more research...Originally posted by HyuugaNeji:Unexplained science. There are some things which science cant explain even tho it is still science.
This "ant colony" puzzle... they think that just as the interplanetary movement was a mystery that was solved by man's understanding of gravity, the mysteries that surrounds issues like the ant colony will one day be as easily understood as interplanetary movement that use to be a puzzle. -
Study of Emergence...
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Time for an even more obvious clue.... the HPoC... (which I mentioned in an earlier post in reply to someone that suggested the study of the sub-conscious)...
You know consciousness, right? You are conscious, aren't you? Of course you are, otherwise you would not be reading this.
When you are asleep you are semi conscious and when you are in a coma, you are regarded as unconscious but alive...
How does consciousness come about?
If you are a materialist, you will say that it is "brain cells" and "brain structure".
[/quote]if you think that you can break people up into sub-atomic particles and reassemble them, you are a materialists...Materialism is the idea that everything is either made only of matter or is ultimately dependent upon matter for its existence and nature.
Even then you have a problem in the HPoC (Hard Problem of Consciousness).
The HPoC is like this.
People tell each other things like: "It is like falling in love!"
What is that? "like falling in love", what is that? How does the human brain (conscious brain) know what "like falling in love" is?
Or people might say "It was like falling down a cliff".
Or even more obscure, "I was so mad, I saw RED."
Obviously, when someone says "I saw RED", he does not mean "the spectrum of light that hit my retina."
He is talking about the experience of RED.
The experience of falling in love, the experience of falling down from a high place, the experience of RED.
So even if you are a materialists, there is a problem trying to explain how the human brain can have experiences. How the brain can know "something it is like", as someone famously put it.
hahaha... I suddenly wondered how many people understands what I have just written... *sigh*
OK forget it, this "clue" might make finding the answer even harder... but just in case there are people interested in the HPoC, I will just post it ... -
Originally posted by AugoeideS:Study of Emergence...
THANKS I WAS GETTING REALLY FRUS...
but, what is the formal name... as in if you want to apply to study the course... what course will you be applying for?
There is no "emergence course". -
That is an Emergent behavior what. It is under the study of Emergence.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Time for an even more obvious clue.... the HPoC... (which I mentioned in an earlier post in reply to someone that suggested the study of the sub-conscious)...
You know consciousness, right? You are conscious, aren't you? Of course you are, otherwise you would not be reading this.
When you are asleep you are semi conscious and when you are in a come, you are regarded as unconscious but alive...
How does consciousness come about?
If you are a materialist, you will say that it is "brain cells" and "brain structure".
[/quote]if you think that you can break people up into sub-atomic particles and reassemble them, you are a materialists...
Even then you have a problem in the HPoC (Hard Problem of Consciousness).
The HPoC is like this.
People tell each other things like: "It is like falling in love!"
What is that? "like falling in love", what is that? How does the human brain (conscious brain) know what "like falling in love" is?
Or people might say "It was like falling down a cliff".
Or even more obscure, "I was so mad, I saw RED."
Obviously, when someone says "I saw RED", he does not mean "the spectrum of light that hit my retina."
He is talking about the experience of RED.
The experience of falling in love, the experience of falling down from a high place, the experience of RED.
So even if you are a materialists, there is a problem trying to explain how the human brain can have experiences. How the brain can know "something it is like", as someone famously put it.
hahaha... I suddenly wondered how many people understands what I have just written... *sigh*
OK forget it, this "clue" might make finding the answer even harder... but just in case there are people interested in the HPoC, I will just post it ...
You can't possibly tell the fact that each discrete brain cell can congregate together and give the property of consciousness.
Likewise a single air molecule on its own can't tell you that it has a property of transmitting sound, but you do "see" sound transmitted through air molecules in the atmosphere.
Study of termite or ant alone do not tell you anything about how they will behave when they are together in a group, they do not exhibit the property that they will band together and form an organized colony capable of sustaining itself with great efficiency. But we see it as an emergent property.
Thus, study of emergence lor. Isn't that what you are asking?
"An example to consider in detail is an ant colony. The queen does not give direct orders and does not tell the ants what to do. Instead, each ant reacts to stimuli in the form of chemical scent from larvae, other ants, intruders, food and build up of waste, and leaves behind a chemical trail, which, in turn, provides a stimulus to other ants. Here each ant is an autonomous unit that reacts depending only on its local environment and the genetically encoded rules for its variety of ant. Despite the lack of centralized decision making, ant colonies exhibit complex behavior and have even been able to demonstrate the ability to solve geometric problems. For example, colonies routinely find the maximum distance from all colony entrances to dispose of dead bodies."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
Learned it before in my year 1 module wor, somewhat associated with Chaos theory as well. -
LOL, i thought the answer is not emergence. Not sure about the course name though.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
THANKS I WAS GETTING REALLY FRUS...
but, what is the formal name... as in if you want to apply to study the course... what course will you be applying for?
There is no "emergence course".
Think it is something to do with metaphysical/chaos theory/emergent functionality
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While you were typing this, I asked you what the formal name of the course is... it is not "Study of Emergence", what is it?Originally posted by AugoeideS:That is an Emergent behavior what. It is under the study of Emergence.
You can't possibly tell the fact that each discrete brain cell can congregate together and give the property of consciousness.
Likewise a single air molecule on its own can't tell you that it has a property of transmitting sound, but you do "see" sound transmitted through air molecules in the atmosphere.
Study of termite or ant alone do not tell you anything about how they will behave when they are together in a group, they do not exhibit the property that they will band together and form an organized colony capable of sustaining itself with great efficiency. But we see it as an emergent property.
Thus, study of emergence lor. Isn't that what you are asking?
"An example to consider in detail is an ant colony. The queen does not give direct orders and does not tell the ants what to do. Instead, each ant reacts to stimuli in the form of chemical scent from larvae, other ants, intruders, food and build up of waste, and leaves behind a chemical trail, which, in turn, provides a stimulus to other ants. Here each ant is an autonomous unit that reacts depending only on its local environment and the genetically encoded rules for its variety of ant. Despite the lack of centralized decision making, ant colonies exhibit complex behavior and have even been able to demonstrate the ability to solve geometric problems. For example, colonies routinely find the maximum distance from all colony entrances to dispose of dead bodies."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
Learned it before in my year 1 module wor, somewhat associated with Chaos theory as well.
about the HPoC, there are people that think there is a "missing ingredient"... and the Buddhists will say something like UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS that infuses the brain.... and the other religions will say SOUL or SPIRIT.
Even some non religious people think that there is something missing... like "gravity" or "space" or "time" and think of the HPoC in those terms as a hard problem discovering the "missing ingredient".
People that go with consciousness as an Emergent or emergent property are mainly materialists and consider that there is no HPoC in that there is nothing missing.... -
while you put up Emergence, I was typing that long post and while you were replying to that long post, I put up the fireworks... hahaha ... go figure the coincidence...Originally posted by AugoeideS:LOL, i thought the answer is not emergence. Not sure about the course name though.
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earth is jus so big, go out of earth... something out of earth...
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hahaha heaven is probably in you...Originally posted by Hocklez:earth is jus so big, go out of earth... something out of earth... -
Yah, coincidence. hahahaha...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:while you put up Emergence, I was typing that long post and while you were replying to that long post, I put up the fireworks... hahaha ... go figure the coincidence...
Eh, let me guess the name of the study, is call System Theory or System Sciences?
"Systems theory is the interdisciplinary study of systems in science and society. It offers frameworks to describe and analyze groups of objects, that work together to produce result."
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You know what they say... if the main character dies... then the show must stop...Originally posted by AugoeideS:Yah, coincidence. hahahaha...
Eh, let me guess the name of the study, is call System Theory or System Sciences?
"Systems theory is the interdisciplinary study of systems in science and society. It offers frameworks to describe and analyze groups of objects, that work together to produce result."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Systems_theory Nope....