REN CI Hospital under probe !!!
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When I was in China visiting one of the temple, I was told to be a monk, there are paper qualification too.. for eg.. if you got paper, you can be chief ( higher rank ) and only need to chant ... if no paper, got to sweep floor, cook and do many other chores ... so to be a monk must also paper or else ...Originally posted by cyberr1981:Where can I apply to become a monk??
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And he uses Apple Computer too.Originally posted by newcomer:i tot he drive mercs one?
As for me, I will just wait and see what the investigations revealed. But right now, I am a little disillusioned with charities overall. -
Didn't read thee whole thing but is it just me or is the gahment trying to discredit all charity organizations? Eventually, the only charity organization left may only be "President's Straights Time Pocket Money Fund"!
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13k is not high??? Especially for a MONK???!!! Tell me why would a MONK need that kind of salary. Do you know what is the definition of monk in the Buddhism text??? So he cilmbed high building every year and that warrant him to have a high salary??? Remember this! He is first a MONK! And as a MONK he must adhere to the rules and regulation of the Buddhism ways. Simplicity is the word for MONKS! Live a simple life. Any kind of luxury is NOT considered 'MONKISH' life.Originally posted by t_a_s:13k to be exact, real peanut, the pay of MP, some more he climbed the building so high every year, if not for charity is more what
If what was rumoured to be try that he drive a Merc then he should renounce his monk-hood! He should be taking public transport if t need arise. Not like if Singapore is very big. Getting from one destination to another wouldn't take that long. Late? How can a monk be late. His timing should be timed properly to coincide with his daily activities. The most is he should take a cab. Assuming the Merc was donated, he should not even use it! There are lots of people in his charity organization. Anyone can easily drive him to his destination on time.
So? Yes this is a modern world but his simplisitic in life must be followed strictly. Driving a merc is luxury!
Anyway it was also rumoured he is staying in a condominium too but no one can confirm. All these are yet to see. -
Discrepancy at Ren Ci $200k-$300k, says its CEO
But Venerable Ming Yi is not worried about MOH probe into charity
Straits Times, The (Singapore)
Prime News
November 9, 2007
Author: Alfred Siew
THE head of the Ren Ci Hospital and Medicare Centre has said that $200,000 to $300,000 remains to be accounted for at the multimillion-dollar charity.
The Venerable Ming Yi told the Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao that he was not worried about the Ministry of Health's (MOH) probe into his well-known charity.
What puzzled many about the MOH inquiry, announced on Wednesday, was the news that Ren Ci may have been making interest-free loans totalling millions of dollars to various companies from as far back as 1996.
The Straits Times understands that there appear to be discrepancies - of several hundred thousand dollars in some cases - between what the charity recorded it lent, and what the companies involved recorded as having borrowed.
But the Venerable Ming Yi, who is Ren Ci's honorary chief executive officer, did not think it was a big problem and told Lianhe Zaobao that the money was mostly recovered, with only $200,000 to $300,000 still due.
All he would say about the MOH probe was this: 'Let them learn more, it's not a problem. I'm not worried.'
Last night, he was spotted driving in a dark-coloured car to the Foo Hai Ch'an Monastery in Geylang East, where he is the abbot. But he declined to comment when approached by The Straits Times.
MOH said on Wednesday that Ren Ci's status as an Institution of a Public Character (IPC) would not be renewed at the end of this month. That means donations to it would no longer be tax-exempt.
Almost a third of the charity's $30 million income this financial year came from tax-exempt donations.
Ren Ci was among 12 charities under MOH that had their corporate governance reviewed from July last year.
One outcome was that Ren Ci was urged to separate the functions of the chairman and CEO.
The Venerable Ming Yi, who had held both positions, became honorary CEO, and prominent businessman Chua Thian Poh stepped in as chairman in September this year.
The ministry's inquiry is expected to take three months.
All was quiet on the charity's premises yesterday morning, though some visitors expressed surprise that Ren Ci might have been lending money.
A woman visiting a relative warded at Ren Ci's Tan Tock Seng centre said it was good that the probe was under way. 'It's a charity to help poor people, so the funds should first be used to help those in need,' said the visitor, who wanted to be known only as Mrs Tan.
Ren Ci has 120 nursing home patients and 324 chronic sick patients.
Some other charities contacted yesterday were sombre at the news of yet another charity under probe since the National Kidney Foundation scandal of 2005 triggered tighter controls on corporate governance.
Deacon Matthew Kang, spokesman for New Creation Church, said the news surprised many, but did not think people would stop volunteering or giving to the church.
Mr Alfred Tan, executive director of the Singapore Children's Society, was concerned about the impact on public trust and the difficulty of attracting people to step up as board members.
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ADDITIONAL REPORTING BY LIAW WY-CIN
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I though Monks should not be getting salary?
And even for allowance, 12k seems too much.
NS only give 300 even for now.... -
Yes what does he need the 12k for? im curious... If Durai had taken only 12k I think I can still close one eye as he got family to support...but a monk?Originally posted by caleb_chiang:I though Monks should not be getting salary?
And even for allowance, 12k seems too much.
NS only give 300 even for now.... -
right from the start i saw the chief monk of Ren Ci, i knew he's a flower monk (translate to chinese).
for those of you buddhists, please effing open your ****ing eyes and use ye' brain to think: no true monk will live such a lavish lifestyle like him.
a real monk is one who has nothing in his soul except the true essence and thought of Buddhism.
a real monk will not drive in a mercedes benz and feast with HK celebrities.
a real monk will not dabble in economy and finance, and loan PUBLIC-GIVEN CHARITY money to COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.
a real monk will not even want to have anything to do with crap that reeks of money, and a real monk will beg for alms to help the poor while choosing nothing for himself, not money, not rewards and not recognition or fame.
i will not cast a second look at a monk who collects cars and stock his mansion with cash, but i will gladly kneel and bow down in front of a real monk though i'm a free thinker.
GET AN EFFING LIFE, YOU REN CI SUPPORTERS. -
Buddhist artefacts shop got interest-free loan from Ren Ci
Shop's registered owners are charity's CEO and a former board member
Straits Times, The (Singapore)
Nov 9, 2007
By Ho Ai Li
MANDALA Buddhist Cultural Centre, a company selling Buddhist artefacts, has emerged as one of the external organisations said to have received interest-free loans from Ren Ci Hospital & Medicare Centre.
Ren Ci is being investigated by the Ministry of Health (MOH) for financial irregularities which were found during a general review, said the ministry in a statement released on Wednesday.
Mandala, whose registered owners are Mr We Beng Seng and Ren Ci honorary CEO Vnerable Ming Yi, operated from a shop unit in the Fu Lu Shou Complex in Rochor Road.
When contacted on Friday, Mr We said that Mandala was set up in 1996 with $200,000 to $300,000 from Ren Ci. Profits from the business, which was run out of a Balestier address before it moved to Rochor Road in 1997, were intended to be ploughed back to Ren Ci.
But business was poor and Mandala gave up its two shop units three years ago and took a small counter at Foo Hai Ch'an Monastery in Geylang East, of which Venerable Ming Yi is abbot.
Asked about loan, Mr We said: 'It hasn't been returned yet. Unfortunately, the shop is not making any profit.' It is still running but business is 'not very good', he added.
The Straits Times understands that Ren Ci may have been making interest-free loans totalling millions of dollars to various companies from as far back as 1996. There appear to be discrepancies - of several hundred thousand dollars in some cases - between what the charity recorded it lent, and what the companies involved recorded as having borrowed.
Venerable Ming Yi had told Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao on Wednesday that the money was mostly recovered, with only $200,000 to $300,000 still due.
A check showed that Venerable Ming Yi is the registered owner of two businesses, Mandala and Ch'an Yun Buddhist Handicrafts & Trading. He is also shareholder of Savoury Restaurant, Bodhicherie Vegeatarian Food and Semco Design Communications Pte Ltd.
Ren Ci, which has 120 nursing home patients and 324 chronic sick patients, is holding a fund-raising Qian Shou (Thousand Hand) Guanyin Charity Concert next weekend, from Nov 17 to 18.
The government inquiry is expected to take about three months. In the meantime, Ren Ci's Institution of Public Character (IPC) status would not be renewed when it expires on Nov 27. This means that donations made to Ren Ci by members of the public after then will not be tax-deductible.
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Ok, I'm a grad and would like to apply for a monk position that sits in the office all day, no need to do any stunts and draws a 20k salary every month!Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:When I was in China visiting one of the temple, I was told to be a monk, there are paper qualification too.. for eg.. if you got paper, you can be chief ( higher rank ) and only need to chant ... if no paper, got to sweep floor, cook and do many other chores ... so to be a monk must also paper or else ...
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wakaoz..when is this gonna end man..last time NKF..now Ren Ci..who's gonna help the patients in future when everyone lost their faith in helping them thru donating?Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:Home > Latest News > Singapore
Nov 7, 2007
Govt inquiry into Ren Ci Hospital & Medicare Centre
An artist's impression of Ren Ci's new premises at Irawaddy Road. -- PHOTO: MOH
THE Ministry of Health (MOH) announced on Wednesday that it is conducting an inquiry into Ren Ci Hospital & Medicare Centre under the Charities Act.
This comes after the the ministry discovered some possible irregularities in certain financial transactions involving Ren Ci and some external organisation in an earlier general review into the charity's past dealings, which disclosed gaps in its corporate governance and internal controls.
An MOH statement announcing the inquiry into Ren Ci said in July 2006, the ministry appointed Ernst & Young Associates (EYA) to carry out a general review of the corporate governance on 12 larger Institutions of a Public Character (IPCs), including Ren Ci.
Completed in February 2007, the review covered areas such as corporate governance structures, internal controls, and compliance with IPC regulations.
The individual IPCs were asked to progressively put in place the recommended improvement measures. One recommendation was for Ren Ci to separate the roles of its Chairman and CEO, said MOH.
Two months ago, Mr Chua Thian Poh, Chairman and CEO of Ho Bee Group, took over the chairmanship of Ren Ci from Venerable Shi Ming Yi.
'As the general review into Ren Ci's past transactions also disclosed other gaps in corporate governance and internal controls, MOH commissioned EYA to carry out a more in-depth evaluation,' said the MOH statement.
'The follow-up reviews have since identified some possible irregularities in certain financial transactions involving Ren Ci and certain external organisations. Hence, MOH is commencing an Inquiry into Ren Ci to establish a fuller and better understanding of these irregularities.'
MOH is the administrator of the Health Sector under the Charities Act.
The inquiry, which is under the Charities Act, is expected to take about three months.
The ministry will announce the findings after the probe is completed and will take appropriate measures if there are any breaches.
In view of the ongoing inquiry, MOH said it will not renew Ren Ci's IPC status which expires on Nov 27.
Donations made by members of the public to Ren Ci after Nov 27 will not be tax-deductible.
'Pending the outcome of the Inquiry, MOH will evaluate when Ren Ci can apply to reinstate its IPC status,' said the ministry.
In the meantime, MOH will continue to subsidise Ren Ci's patient care services so that patients will continue to receive their medical treatments.
'We recognise the good work of Ren Ci's staff and we are confident that the Ren Ci Board will ensure that professional standards and services remain intact and the day-to-day operations in Ren Ci carry on undisrupted,' said the MOH statement. -
that shows not even reputable hospitals are clean of any charges
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Clap! Clap! Clap! Well said! Well said! Maybe I should send him Tsai Chih Chung 'The Book of Zen' 1 and 2 and try to divert him back to the right path assuming he is a flower monk. If I a layman(woman) can understand those simple rules of being a monk, I don't understand how he the venerated one didn't grasp the meaning of being a monkOriginally posted by Nikar2:right from the start i saw the chief monk of Ren Ci, i knew he's a flower monk (translate to chinese).
for those of you buddhists, please effing open your ****ing eyes and use ye' brain to think: no true monk will live such a lavish lifestyle like him.
a real monk is one who has nothing in his soul except the true essence and thought of Buddhism.
a real monk will not drive in a mercedes benz and feast with HK celebrities.
a real monk will not dabble in economy and finance, and loan PUBLIC-GIVEN CHARITY money to COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.
a real monk will not even want to have anything to do with crap that reeks of money, and a real monk will beg for alms to help the poor while choosing nothing for himself, not money, not rewards and not recognition or fame.
i will not cast a second look at a monk who collects cars and stock his mansion with cash, but i will gladly kneel and bow down in front of a real monk though i'm a free thinker.
GET AN EFFING LIFE, YOU REN CI SUPPORTERS. -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Isn't $200 -$300 k a lot of money? I will take my life time to save this amount !!! sheeh...... to think that I have even donated dispite being played out by NKF !!! this is double whammy !!
[b]Buddhist artefacts shop got interest-free loan from Ren Ci
Straits Times Online, The (Singapore)
Nov 9, 2007
By Ho Ai Li
MANDALA Buddhist Cultural Centre, a company selling Buddhist artefacts, has emerged as one of the external organisations said to have received interest-free loans from Ren Ci Hospital & Medicare Centre.
Ren Ci is being investigated by the Ministry of Health (MOH) for financial irregularities which were found during a general review, said the ministry in a statement released on Wednesday.
Mandala, whose registered owners are Mr We Beng Seng and Ren Ci honorary CEO Vnerable Ming Yi, operated from a shop unit in the Fu Lu Shou Complex in Rochor Road.
When contacted on Friday, Mr We said that Mandala was set up in 1996 with $200,000 to $300,000 from Ren Ci. Profits from the business, which was run out of a Balestier address before it moved to Rochor Road in 1997, were intended to be ploughed back to Ren Ci.
But business was poor and Mandala gave up its two shop units three years ago and took a small counter at Foo Hai Ch'an Monastery in Geylang East, of which Venerable Ming Yi is abbot.
Asked about loan, Mr We said: 'It hasn't been returned yet. Unfortunately, the shop is not making any profit.' It is still running but business is 'not very good', he added.
The Straits Times understands that Ren Ci may have been making interest-free loans totalling millions of dollars to various companies from as far back as 1996. There appear to be discrepancies - of several hundred thousand dollars in some cases - between what the charity recorded it lent, and what the companies involved recorded as having borrowed.
Venerable Ming Yi had told Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao on Wednesday that the money was mostly recovered, with only $200,000 to $300,000 still due.
A check showed that Venerable Ming Yi is the registered owner of two businesses, Mandala and Ch'an Yun Buddhist Handicrafts & Trading. He is also shareholder of Savoury Restaurant, Bodhicherie Vegeatarian Food and Semco Design Communications Pte Ltd.
Ren Ci, which has 120 nursing home patients and 324 chronic sick patients, is holding a fund-raising Qian Shou (Thousand Hand) Guanyin Charity Concert next weekend, from Nov 17 to 18.
The government inquiry is expected to take about three months. In the meantime, Ren Ci's Institution of Public Character (IPC) status would not be renewed when it expires on Nov 27. This means that donations made to Ren Ci by members of the public after then will not be tax-deductible.
Copyright, 2007, Singapore Press Holdings Limited
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If it is true, He had forgotten the teaching of the Buddhism. So busy earning money, no time to read sutra. He is no different from those fake monks on the street and Durai. Using charity name to live a lifestyle of luxury. What about other charities, have they done the same thing?
With this kind of people around, the poor will always suffers when the poor put their trust in them as they thought they are helping them. -
Like the NKF, I have never failed to donate to Ren Ci... afterall, it was meant to help the poorer ( why poorer, bacause I am poor and these people are deem to be poorer than me lor )... .. now like you felt being cheated lor ... I still think they are doing a great job judgeing from the comments giveb by the beneficiary , but to give interest free loan, I mean, this is a hospital, not a banking insistution lor ... !!!
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Depend on what type of monk you want to be, can be indian monk, Burmese monk, thai monk, maha monk, thera monk etc etc.Originally posted by cyberr1981:Where can I apply to become a monk??
You have to go to the relevant monastary to apply, must go thru fitness test, Hiv test and also seducing and horny test. All monk recruits need to pass these tests, unless you apply to be a Monk ey, then no need, just go to the Zoo and the apes will welcome you with open arms. -
For you info, he dun drive, he got chaff to drive him around in his Jaguar.Originally posted by newcomer:i tot he drive mercs one? -
wow .... my dream car !!Originally posted by angel7030:For you info, he dun drive, he got chaff to drive him around in his Jaguar. -
Originally posted by BeautifulBetty:
Quite true indeed, a monk in Sankirit is Saha, the name given by Buddha, Disciples of Buddha like Anandna and chahkirat hv all turn to become Saha, their duties is to up hold buddha teaching, live simply and accept only foods from others. They shall preach the good of Buddha teaching and practice contention and simplicity inorder to attain Buddhahood or so call Enlightment. They shall not indulge in shows or any other acts to gain popularity or canvassing for funds or money.
13k is not high??? Especially for a [b]MONK???!!! Tell me why would a MONK need that kind of salary. Do you know what is the definition of monk in the Buddhism text??? So he cilmbed high building every year and that warrant him to have a high salary??? Remember this! He is first a MONK! And as a MONK he must adhere to the rules and regulation of the Buddhism ways. Simplicity is the word for MONKS! Live a simple life. Any kind of luxury is NOT considered 'MONKISH' life.
If what was rumoured to be try that he drive a Merc then he should renounce his monk-hood! He should be taking public transport if t need arise. Not like if Singapore is very big. Getting from one destination to another wouldn't take that long. Late? How can a monk be late. His timing should be timed properly to coincide with his daily activities. The most is he should take a cab. Assuming the Merc was donated, he should not even use it! There are lots of people in his charity organization. Anyone can easily drive him to his destination on time.
So? Yes this is a modern world but his simplisitic in life must be followed strictly. Driving a merc is luxury!
Anyway it was also rumoured he is staying in a condominium too but no one can confirm. All these are yet to see.
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so being monk in s'pore is better than serving NS...Originally posted by caleb_chiang:I though Monks should not be getting salary?
And even for allowance, 12k seems too much.
NS only give 300 even for now....
so why serve???
go to be monk...
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then be a monk.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:wow .... my dream car !! -
Suddenly even charities are operating as banks and lending people money.
Only difference is, they don't charge interest.
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compare to Durai case is "small house see big house". Durai only take peanut.Originally posted by Stoat:Yes what does he need the 12k for? im curious... If Durai had taken only 12k I think I can still close one eye as he got family to support...but a monk?