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  • token141's Avatar
    64 posts since Dec '06
    • From straitstimes.com:

      Family of 12 faces eviction for not paying bank loan
      Ten children, an ailing wife, and a $10,000 dollar debt paint a bleak picture
      By E-von Yeung

      Mdm Latipah (left) weeps as her husband Mr Mohd Ali described their financial woes and fears for their children's future. -- STRAITSTIMES.COM

      A FAMILY of 12 has been sent packing, literally, from their flat next month for not keeping up with bank loan payments.

      Mr Mohd Ali, 40, his wife Latipah, 35, and their 10 children will soon be evicted from their home, in which they have lived for more than four years.

      According to Mr Ali, they owe the bank about $10,000 in arrears and have been unable to pay up.

      'We want our family all together. We have some financial problems also. I have a lot to pay,' said Mr Ali.

      The picture is bleak. Mr Ali said he earns only about $800 a month as a cleaner, his wife has a heart problem and is unable to work, and they have 10 children to support as well as medical bills to pay.

      Already, servicing the bank loan for their 3-room flat in Yishun takes more than $800 a month, he said.

      Homeless again
      Four years ago, the family had been homeless for two years, living at Busoorah Street and sleeping on cardbard boxes.

      They would go to the nearby Sultan mosque for their showers.

      The family of 12 had also slept outdoors at Yishun Town Gardens for a month.

      From the youngest child, who is two years old, to the eldest, who is 17 years old, the kids had to stop school at times, for up to two years at end.

      Both husband and wife fear the possibility that social services might take their children away from them.

      'I'm worried we don't have a home. I'm worried about my kids. Every night I pray that God will protect my family,' said Mdm Latipah.

      Mr Ali already had problems keeping up with payments to the bank OCBC since the second year they moved in.

      Despite receiving a total of about $16,500 worth of aid since March 2004 - from the Community Development Council (CDC), the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore, Yishun Family Services Centre and MP Mr K Shanmugam, among others - Mr Ali's heavy debt did not go away.

      Financial prudence key
      Mr Ali said his family had moved out of their rental flat more than 4 years ago.

      They already had difficulties in meeting the monthly rental of about $300 but yet, Mr Ali went on to buy his sister's flat in Yishun by taking a $150,000 bank loan.

      This decision proved to be a burden too heavy to bear.

      Mr Shanmugam said that financial management is important when making decisions on property purchases.

      He told straitstimes.com: 'When we make financial decision which are bad or imprudent, it's not possible for someone else to come and bail you out.

      'But we must try to do the best we can because there are children involved. Our task is to not sit and moralise, but to try and help in whatever we can.'

      On behalf of the family, Mr Shanmugam has already appealed to OCBC to grant them more time to repay the bank loan.

      He has also written to HDB to expedite a request for a rental flat.

      After reviewing the case, HDB has shortened the usual waiting period of 3 1/2 years to six months.

      OCBC Bank's Head of Consumer Secured Lending Gregory Chan told straitstimes.com that it is only after exhausting 'all reasonable possibilities' that 'the bank resorts to foreclosure'.

      Extensions can be granted on a case-to-case basis, on compassionate grounds, he said.

      straitstimes.com understands that OCBC has already extended the original date of eviction from Nov 16 to Dec 31.

      The HDB has said it will not and cannot intervene because a loan is a private contract between a mortgager and the bank.

      Families like Mr Ali's who are facing financial difficulties do have various alternatives to get help, according to Singapore Children Society's Senior Counsellor Noor Sida Abdullah.

      'If they have school-going children, we can assist them with the School Pocket Money Fund. If they require financial assistance, that's where we can link them to the CDC, to self-help agencies. We also work closely with the MP, if they need advocacy.'

      But Ms Sida said financial prudence is paramount, and early intervention - or seeking help - before debts become too big to handle.

      Still, for Mr Ali and his family, it seems that all avenues of help for this family have been explored, and wandering homeless on the streets may soon become a tragic reality.

  • Pink Leftie with child bearing hips and fertile eggs
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  • maurizio13's Avatar
    8,299 posts since Sep '06
    • The more the merrier.

      Very Happy

      Kids are like Hello Kitty, the more Hello Kitty you have, the happier you are.

      Very Happy

      Edited by maurizio13 07 Nov `07, 11:45PM
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  • Paradise Lost's Avatar
    260 posts since Jun '07
    • Not to stereotype but why is it that the Malay families seem to have hugely disproportionate families members to their relative household income? Not portraying the cases from the media but the Malay friends that I come across with tend to have at least 3-6 brothers and sisters.

  • TWE's Avatar
    970 posts since May '06
    • I think the parents are too immature to think properly to have so much kids . Any sensible adult should plan and think before having that much kids , you can’t just keep having babies and never thought of future . Sad to say i feel pity for the kids but the parents should be given some very serious stern warning . Worse at the worse , i think the kids should be staying in a orhans home or kids home whatever better then having to slp in the streets and missing school . While at the same time get the parents to go for compulsory counselling or sterilising . Since they can’t control their ” urge ” then we have to ” help ” them out .

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    30,854 posts since Mar '05
    • if you notice for some weird reason, its always the low income having more children. and in many case till such that they are in finanacial problems or at least as far as i can see poorer cos of that....

      were they trying to fulfil economies of scale? Confused

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    1,430 posts since Feb '07
  • Cool-gal's Avatar
    7,912 posts since Jul '06
    • ya, god's gift.
      its just fated.
      i find them pitiful, esp when they got to sleep on cardboard.
      may god bless them.

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    154,860 posts since Dec '99
    • just now the cabbie was just telling me his ex-army-mate.....
      when he met him in 1993, the ex-army-mate (malay guy) had been married for 8yrs, with 8 children.....
      on his $1200 paycheck as delivery man
      now 2007.... dunno how many liao

  • FBI's Avatar
    8,435 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by Paradise Lost:
      Not to stereotype but why is it that the Malay families seem to have hugely disproportionate families members to their relative household income? Not portraying the cases from the media but the Malay friends that I come across with tend to have at least 3-6 brothers and sisters.

      ya i don get it also..

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    2,302 posts since Jul '07
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  • 798's Avatar
    28,598 posts since Jun '03
    • something is damn wrong… i feel the family is too dependent already. maybe they only want to be spoon-fed?

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  • FBI's Avatar
    8,435 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by 798:
      something is damn wrong... i feel the family is too dependent already. maybe they only want to be spoon-fed?

      sort of.. i think they want "us" to feed them.

  • BeautifulBetty's Avatar
    268 posts since Aug '07
    • If I can remember correctly Muslim cannot practise safe sex by the decree of their Quran. To them to be able to procreate is a gift of God. If they can continue to produce they will do so UNLESS either spouse is sick or incapable to do so naturally. And no artificially insemination too if they cannot produce naturally. But then level-headed Muslims will gauge their finances before birthing so many that they can’t feed and waiting for hand me downs or charity. Maybe our Muslim friends can come and shed some light on this issue.

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