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Jezmeister — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:57:05 +0800

religious rape lol i like it. who wants to lobby for it to be written in law? i’ll head any demonstrations in the UK

singsI believe that God does not endorse TV evangelists

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sir_peanuts — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:53:47 +0800

if pyramid sales are illegal, any evangelist who preaches after you say 'no' should be illegal too...

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Deino — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:31:57 +0800

Originally posted by january:

you are assuming there is a heaven in the first place. If you assumption is wrong, its no point talking about your conclusion. Can you show us how you derive that there is a heaven in the first place?

No need solid evidence just some good reasoning will do.

please do not change the topic of wot i was talking about to phorum noob....

besides.....this topic already too old i dun wanna talk about it....

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Phorum Noob — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:11:42 +0800

Religion should not be respected and immune to criticism and examination just because it is granted the title of "RELIGION".

Any good idea(s) should be able to stand on its own merit, and respect earned because it deserves it, not because it IS religion and people might be offended by it.

http://www.iheu.org/node/2782

1. Universal rights and equal citizenship for all. We are opposed to cultural relativism and the tolerance of inhuman beliefs, discrimination and abuse in the name of respecting religion or culture.
2. Freedom to criticise religion. Prohibition of restrictions on unconditional freedom of criticism and expression using so-called religious 'sanctities'.
3. Freedom of religion and atheism.
4. Separation of religion from the state and legal and educational system.
5. Prohibition of religious customs, rules, ceremonies or activities that are incompatible with or infringe people's rights and freedoms.
6. Abolition of all restrictive and repressive cultural and religious customs which hinder and contradict woman's independence, free will and equality. Prohibition of segregation of sexes.
7. Prohibition of interference by any authority, family members or relatives, or official authorities in the private lives of women and men and their personal, emotional and sexual relationships and sexuality.
8. Protection of children from manipulation and abuse by religion and religious institutions.
9. Prohibition of any kind of financial, material or moral support by the state or state institutions to religion and religious activities and institutions.
10. Prohibition of all forms of religious intimidation and threats.

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Phorum Noob — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:26:00 +0800

Fundimentism is a dangerous thing.
Religion is all right just as long as people do not blindly accept whatever they were told, and react emotionally without using their rational mind to think.

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googoomuck — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:00:37 +0800

This is not about religion or God. It's about reality.

Quote:

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants.

Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish.

Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort.

The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive.

The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized.

"Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

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Jezmeister — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:38:50 +0800

amen to this... err sorry heh. I think a lot of you appear to be missing the point, they're not banning religion they're banning the act of telling people how to think... young minds are impressionable and know no different if you tell them that one religion is true - that's not an informed belief that's a taught belief, and I don't believe that any religions will stand up and say they want people to believe out of conditioning rather than true belief of someone deciding that they believe in this god and this way of life.

That said, if this catches on I can see a lot of scared people in high places who realise without saying as definite fact that their religion is right and without the fear that then instills in the child if they don't believe then religion could fizzle out.

Now my opinion hehe, I think it's great. I also think religions have no right to be scared, plenty of people find religion later in life and they'll be the people who really believe it. How is telling kids a certain religion is right any different from telling them that one political position is right? you all seem to have a problem with the Chinese way so why not the religious way? Is it really all that different? Except there's proof that the Chinese government exists, and they don't kill millions of people every year with tidal waves and hurricanes do they?
A persons beliefs should be their own choice not the choice of the government, a school or their parents. There's nothing stopping them going to church/synagogue/mosque every *insert relevant time/day here* is there? schools are for learning proven fact and known reality or at the very least theorys based around observed reality with basis in proven fact, does religion fall into those categories? no. by all means teach kids what different religions believe but don't force one on them, that's not for schools, that's for church and pushy parents. Go sweden

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january — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:04:51 +0800

Originally posted by Deino:

so you are saying that if there is a god, he create hell and throw you in there he willl be evil?

i think some people deserve hell becoz of their actions......

do you think adolf hitler deserve heaven?

you are assuming there is a heaven in the first place. If you assumption is wrong, its no point talking about your conclusion. Can you show us how you derive that there is a heaven in the first place?

No need solid evidence just some good reasoning will do.

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january — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:54:21 +0800

Originally posted by laurence82:

I am like half half for it

Its like a double edged sword

What if such actions are seen to be persecution and breed religious fundamentalism?

Worse, it affects not just secular schools, but faith schools

In a way, its disturbing

dun worry so much lah... not say they cannot choose religion... its just say they should choose themselves when they grow older.. its so right....

last time no internet also worry what internet will bring to the world....
they world is so corked up already.... so no need to afraid it will get worse

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googoomuck — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:22:15 +0800

There is little doubt that combating Islamic fundamentalism is the underlying aim.

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Phorum Noob — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:52:48 +0800

Documentry about how religion was invented and its history.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

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Herzog_Zwei — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:45:11 +0800

Originally posted by Deino:

so you are saying that if there is a god, he create hell and throw you in there he willl be evil?

i think some people deserve hell becoz of their actions......

do you think adolf hitler deserve heaven?

I don't think Hitler deserve to be in heaven but I do understand his hope and dreams.

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Phorum Noob — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:28:11 +0800

Originally posted by crimson soldier:

let people believe all they want lah. Argue so much for what.

In the end, if you are an agnostic like me or even an atheist, it doesn't freaking matter.

Well, this is what this forum is for what. Discuss and argue your points if you don't agree.
I was just responding to the posts...And no matter what I say, people would still believe whatever they like what. Just like no matter how some annoying religious people come to my house at early in the morning to try to convert me, I still could not believe their claims.

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crimson soldier — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 04:47:06 +0800

let people believe all they want lah. Argue so much for what.

In the end, if you are an agnostic like me or even an atheist, it doesn't freaking matter.

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Phorum Noob — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:11:53 +0800

Infinite sadistic punishment for a finite sin?

What about the believe that people who do not worship it (or worships the wrong one) gets sent to hell for eternality?

What about the other supposed actions of various gods of the respective faith that were recorded in their respective religious texts. Are ALL of them in accord and compatible with a benevolent/just/merciful/kind god?...etc...

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Deino — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:20:35 +0800

Originally posted by Phorum Noob:

Any evil hell-creating gods are unworthy of our worship. This is since any evil gods are more appropriately named as powerful devils and deamons.

so you are saying that if there is a god, he create hell and throw you in there he willl be evil?

i think some people deserve hell becoz of their actions......

do you think adolf hitler deserve heaven?

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Phorum Noob — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:54:20 +0800

Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:

It's not whether a God is worthy of your worship, that's like an ant asking whether you're worthy of it's attention. The question is are YOU worthy of that particular god?

Any evil hell-creating gods are unworthy of our worship. This is since any evil gods are more appropriately named as powerful devils and deamons.

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gUms — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:09:45 +0800

Its a good idea ...

AFTER all its not , you , he , him and her and god.

Its just you and god .... And if you really love him , u will go and find him yourself....

Just be a good boy/girl and show ur devotion to god alone.
Not with all ur kakis.

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jondizzle foshizzle — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:44:45 +0800

Originally posted by Phorum Noob:
My reply is implied in my answer to you.
Yes, I would believe in the existance of that particular god/being if he shows himself to me, and that when I wasn't drunk or anything...etc. Why not.
Weather I would kao-tao to it is another thing. Is it worthy of my worship?

For instance, I can never worship with my heart a hell-creator who would torture people for eternality for a mere disbelieve (or anything); and accept that it can still be a good/benevolent 'god'.
Actually come to think of it, being a coward myself, I might actually do so for self-presevation sake!!!

[b]If there's to be a god that I can believe, it'll be the Naturalistic Pantheist God:
http://www.pantheism.net/[/b]

It's not whether a God is worthy of your worship, that's like an ant asking whether you're worthy of it's attention. The question is are YOU worthy of that particular god?

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jondizzle foshizzle — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:42:53 +0800

Originally posted by Deino:

i'm against this......

the reason being is that the swedish government is claiming that religion is not true.....can they disprove it?

i say religion is wot makes kids more obidient....

Absolutely true, a few of my cousins attend Jewish schools and there the kids are so insanely obedient it's almost creepy.

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Herzog_Zwei — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:28:18 +0800

Originally posted by Phaze:

Erm... just to clarify a point... prayer is legal in American schools.

Christian fundies like to claim that it's banned but it's not.

What is banned is school led prayer.

So a teacher cannot say, "class, now let us bow our heads in prayer."

A coach cannot say, "let us pray before the game."

The basis for this is the Establishment clause of the US Constitution which states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." Since teachers are public schools are government institutions, they are bound by that law.

However, students are free to pray whenever they want.

And of course, this does not apply at all to private schools.

I would like it better if their government can come up with a law to prevent religious heckling that a religion is true unless the religion can come up with actual proof.

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Phaze — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:47:43 +0800

Erm... just to clarify a point... prayer is legal in American schools.

Christian fundies like to claim that it's banned but it's not.

What is banned is school led prayer.

So a teacher cannot say, "class, now let us bow our heads in prayer."

A coach cannot say, "let us pray before the game."

The basis for this is the Establishment clause of the US Constitution which states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." Since teachers are public schools are government institutions, they are bound by that law.

However, students are free to pray whenever they want.

And of course, this does not apply at all to private schools.

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Phaze — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:42:31 +0800

Wow! I wanna move to Sweden!

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Herzog_Zwei — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:39:37 +0800

Originally posted by Phorum Noob:
My reply is implied in my answer to you.
Yes, I would believe in the existance of that particular god/being if he shows himself to me, and that when I wasn't drunk or anything...etc. Why not.
Weather I would kao-tao to it is another thing. Is it worthy of my worship?

For instance, I can never worship with my heart a hell-creator who would torture people for eternality for a mere disbelieve (or anything); and accept that it can still be a good/benevolent 'god'.
Actually come to think of it, being a coward myself, I might actually do so for self-presevation sake!!!

[b]If there's to be a god that I can believe, it'll be the Naturalistic Pantheist God:
http://www.pantheism.net/[/b]

For me, my answer is "fark it lah".

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Phorum Noob — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:09:17 +0800

Originally posted by Deino:

i think i got your answer already......since you say that a god would most likely not exist, you are saying that there is still a "likeliness" that they may exist....

Yup...as long as that particular god is defined without contradiction (i.e. Free Will and an Omniscent All powerful universe creator IS a contradiction)...
It might exist, but you can never prove or disprove...i.e. you can never truely know.
Hence there's no reason to believe.
It remains a negligible possibility such that I should not spend too much of my time in worrying about.