What if there really is no "You"
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Philosophers since time immemorial has debated the existence of "Self".
From earliest ancient times, the Hindus, then the Jews, suggested that man has a soul, an Atman, a spirit that remains when the body disintegrate.
Buddhists even, cannot imagine that man is non-existing because they suggest that karma is brought forward into a future life and non-existence actualizes only on the attainment of nirvana.
The fact and reality of course is that there is totally no evidence of Spirit or Re-birth of Self.
If you consider only reality and facts (and you remove beliefs)... the fact and the evidence shows that "You", the "individual Self" does not exists.
If you do not think about it and you consider the fact that when you pinch yourself you feel pain and take that as evidence of a "self", you of course exist in that sense.
This is the same as saying that the sun moves across the sky because you see it moving across the sky with your own eyes. In the same way, you think you exist because when you pinch yourself, you feel pain.
When you look at the evidence and think about it and study it, the sun does not move across the sky even though you see it with your own eyes; just as you do not exist, just because you pinch yourself and you feel pain. -
... and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Merry Christmas to you Toooo
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you must not say "Merry Christmas to you Toooo" because "to you" is very offensive to someone that does not believe he exists...Originally posted by noahnoah:Merry Christmas to you Toooo
... I can say Merry Christmas to you because you believe you exist. -
Im not here.. Im not myself... Im just living in so-called Matrix.. actually my real body is in Human Plantation... THe Matrix makes me feel real in this dream.... Oh.. .. Im not here typing for sgforum.. Im actually dreaming im typing it but i know its not real even though it looks real.. Oh....
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... now if I don't exist, who is that I that is saying Merry Christmas to you? That was the I that existed then and no longer exist now. If I only existed long enough to wish you a Merry Christmas is it really of any significance to refer to the I that wished you a Merry Christmas?
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ok, so stop whining
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I Am Legend!
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huh?
i no understand. -
I am LEgend KillerOriginally posted by mhcampboy:I Am Legend!
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... are you sure that there is a "you" in a "Human Plantation" ? The whole conspet behind the matrix is that man exists... but the evidence shows otherwise... you do not exist even though you identify your body as your own... and there is certainly no "real" you that exist as a soul or spirit or in a "Human Plantation"Originally posted by Zarks:Im not here.. Im not myself... Im just living in so-called Matrix.. actually my real body is in Human Plantation... THe Matrix makes me feel real in this dream.... Oh.. .. Im not here typing for sgforum.. Im actually dreaming im typing it but i know its not real even though it looks real.. Oh....
... this is a good analogy... to believe that there is a real you as a soul or spirit is as ridiculous as to believe that there is a "real" you in a "Human Plantation" -
That only makes sense if "Legend" exists...Originally posted by mhcampboy:I Am Legend! -
Good topic! But the quick answer to this is existentialism. Carp Diem. Orgasm. Procreation. Sin. Salvation. Meanings. Impact. Influence.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Philosophers since time immemorial has debate the existence of "Self".
From earliest ancient times, the Hindus, then the Jews, suggested that man has a soul, an Atman, a spirit that remains when the body disintegrate.
Buddhists even, cannot imagine that man is non-existing because they suggest that karma is brought forward into a future life and non-existence actualizes only on the attainment of nirvana.
The fact and reality of course is that there is totally no evidence of Spirit or Re-birth of Self.
If you consider only reality and facts (and you remove beliefs)... the fact and the evidence shows that "You", the "individual Self" does not exists.
If you do not think about it and you consider that fact that when you pinch yourself you feel pain and take that as evidence of a "self", you of course exist in that sense.
This is the same as saying that the sun moves across the sky because you see it moving across the sky with your own eyes. In the same way, your think you exist because when you pinch yourself, you fell pain.
When you look at the evidence and think about it and study it, the sun does not move across the sky even though you see it with your own eyes; just as you do not exist, just because you pinch yourself and you feel pain.
There is a self because I think. -
When you say "i no understand", where exactly is that "i" that no understand?Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:huh?
i no understand.
By the "i" are you referring to your body (that is changing all the time) or your mind, that is changing all the time) or your soul or spirit that is unchanging but where there is no evidence of? -
ah... why does man find it so difficult to live the moment and how can you find meaning in a moment?Originally posted by nehpyh:Good topic! But the quick answer to this is existentialism. Carp Diem. Orgasm. Procreation. Sin. Salvation. Meanings. Impact. Influence.
There is a self because I think. -
... but the thoughts, are they "yours" or a function of neurons interacting at tremendous speed ... so the "I" that you you are so certain is you... where is the "you", when thoughts are the emergence of "neurons interacting at tremendous speed"... where is the "you" that you presume, to be directing your thoughts?Originally posted by nehpyh:There is a self because I think. -
The 'you' is what philosophers call the observer. The concept of self comes from self awareness. The 'you' is made up of many different entities, most notably the simulacrum of reality our minds form through what our senses perceive which are pretty much just neurons and electrical signals in our brain. So the 'you' can just be a figment of our imagination, created in our minds.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... but the thoughts, are they "yours" or a function of neurons interacting at tremendous speed ... so the "I" that you you are so certain is you... where is the "you", when thoughts are the emergence of "neurons interacting at tremendous speed"... where is the "you" that you presume, to be directing your thoughts?
How do we know people aren't actually robots being controlled by monkeys inside them? Have any of us seen the insides of a person first hand instead of being told or shown? It's a conspiracy
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... if you want to imagine that people are "robots being controlled by monkeys inside them" then, might as well just go with the ancients and assume a "soul" or a "spirit" or with the Buddhists that there is a self that is reborn.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:The 'you' is what philosophers call the observer. The concept of self comes from self awareness. The 'you' is made up of many different entities, most notably the simulacrum of reality our minds form through what our senses perceive which are pretty much just neurons and electrical signals in our brain. So the 'you' can just be a figment of our imagination, created in our minds.
How do we know people aren't actually robots being controlled by monkeys inside them? Have any of us seen the insides of a person first hand instead of being told or shown? It's a conspiracy
You have to produce evidence of the "monkey" if you want to imagine that there is a monkey inside you. If you want to go on the basis of beliefs and imaginations, then you can easily let your imagination run wild and believe anything. -
you may want FI to ban you so you will realise the exist of self in at least this forum...
Quit whinning...
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I Am Who I AmOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:That only makes sense if "Legend" exists... -
i was jus abt to say thtOriginally posted by mhcampboy:I Am Who I Am -
Allow me to disbase your notion of reality:Originally posted by mhcampboy:I Am Who I Am
"Who the fark are you?"
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i think the mind is more superior to the body......i dun think the mind can perish like the body becoz the mind is not of matter.....
some people dun believe in spirits becoz they say there is no prove....
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fuck lar.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:When you say "i no understand", where exactly is that "i" that no understand?
By the "i" are you referring to your body (that is changing all the time) or your mind, that is changing all the time) or your soul or spirit that is unchanging but where there is no evidence of?
now ur confusing me. -
our body reflects wot our spirit does or wants to do.....
we are like puppet masters...the only difference is that we are one with the puppet at the same time.....