Satanic forces facts or fiction?
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Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Does a fictional wrong committed by a fictional character render that wrong deed beyond reproach?Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Is the death of Captain America wrong???
or is Mephisto correct in messing with the life of Peter Parker and Mary Jane?
...you tell me....
Sure, but not in this forum.... you won't learn about Romeo and Juliet in your history lesson.Originally posted by Beyond Religion:But I ask you the question first. I sincerely wanted your opinion. -
As I'd just said, would you discuss Romeo and Juliet in History.... ??? Nope we'd comment about Romeo and Juliet and why they are so stupid to kill themselves.... at Literature....Originally posted by stupidissmart:Wow...u need to go into philosophical truth to discuss about comic characters !?!? Apocalypse kill people. Tat is wrong. He destroyed properties. Tat is wrong. He did it to satisfied his ambitious. Tat is wrong. He is powerful. Tat is right. Yet tat still makes him wrong isn't it ? U cannot determine wat is right or wrong ? I thought only children can't differentiate
Even if you do Julius Caesar, it will be different during Literature and during History. -
No I am not giving you a "modern view" I am giving you my view.Originally posted by stupidissmart:In short, r u saying tat according to modern view now, U agree god is not good ? If I am not wrong, u r trying to confuse people tat there is no such thing as good or bad
I am saying that IN MY OPINION (only my opinion) good or bad can exist based on a cultural definition or based on a personal definition.
"I need money because I like to gamble - you do me a good deed by lending me the money"
"You know that by lending me the money, it will not do me any good, but it will turn to a BAD deed" -
As I'd just said, would you discuss Romeo and Juliet in History.... ??? Nope we'd comment about Romeo and Juliet and why they are so stupid to kill themselves.... at Literature....
Com'on. Tis is a forum. We cannot discuss if apocalypse is right or wrong in forum ? I thought we can chat anything under the sun -
then start one topic on Marvel characters. As I last check, the topic is about Satanic forces: fact or fiction.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Com'on. Tis is a forum. We cannot discuss if apocalypse is right or wrong in forum ? I thought we can chat anything under the sun
I will meet you there. I luv marvel.... think DC folks (other than Batman) are wussies. -
so, going back to my original question - is this character real to you? or are both characters real? not for this thread only please.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Tentatively, for tis thread, I felt tat god acts like a devil and tat the devil, written in the bible, is only evil because he is against god. Factually, he did not seemed to performed any bad deeds other than go against god. -
I am saying that IN MY OPINION (only my opinion) good or bad can exist based on a cultural definition or based on a personal definition.
Then I am asking u your impression according to today cultural definition the below statement.
God hardened the pharoah's heart and tat give god a reason to kill a lot of lives, so tat it can make people fear him forever. Is tat good or bad in today cultural definition ? -
so, going back to my original question - is this character real to you? or are both characters real? not for this thread only please
Real or not, does tat matter
Have u read Phaze reply on it ? Why do u need to know if I believe it to be real or not I have an interpretation tat apocalyse is bad. Isn't tat enough to the topic ? -
In the current cultural context, to me, yes. No different from Chin Shih Huang, who is considered a tyrant. However ask anyone from Xi'an and they'd say he's a hero.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then I am asking u your impression according to today cultural definition the below statement.
A hardened the pharoah's heart and tat give god a reason to kill a lot of lives, so tat it can make people fear him forever. Is tat good or bad in today cultural definition ?
Does anyone on earth worship marvel's apocalypse?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Real or not, does tat matter Have u read Phaze reply on it ? Why do u need to know if I believe it to be real or not I have an interpretation tat apocalyse is bad. Isn't tat enough to the topic ?
Why do you refuse to give an answer? -
then go for startan lor.Originally posted by newcomer:wait moontan will become werewolf... -
Does anyone on earth worship marvel's apocalypse?
No. But I can still say he is wrong isn't it ?
Why do you refuse to give an answer? Why must I worship him before I can say he is wrong ? A rapist rape his daughter and kill many people. SO I have to worship him first before saying he is wrong ? -
sure, but this "He" does not exist in your POV....Originally posted by stupidissmart:No. But I can still say he is wrong isn't it ? Why must I worship him before I can say he is wrong ? A rapist rape his daughter and kill many people. SO I have to worship him first before saying he is wrong ? which to me, is an extremely futile exercise.
i mean, your crusade is not really in some comics convention or super hero fan club.
...however, i recognise that your time is for you to spend.
on a lighter note.... so your current work responsibility has free up somewhat? -
just like religious people finding it frustrating to see people of other religions pray to false gods, atheists find it disturbing to see people preaching about a god that does not exist.
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well, i don't really care who or what other people pray to. so let's not generalise... too much.Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:just like religious people finding it frustrating to see people of other religions pray to false gods, atheists find it disturbing to see people preaching about a god that does not exist.
i believe in respecting other's belief, even if it clashes with mine.
i have never once speak out against another person doing something totally different from what i believe in....
i have taught my children not to despise or insult others because of such differences.... and if their journey in life take them some where else.... so be it.
to each his own.
why should i impose what i believe to be true to others?
all we need to know is that we will bear the consequences of our choices in life. -
i sincerely hope that everyone thinks like youOriginally posted by Chin Eng:well, i don't really care who or what other people pray to. so let's not generalise... too much.
i believe in respecting other's belief, even if it clashes with mine.
i have never once speak out against another person doing something totally different from what i believe in....
i have taught my children not to despise or insult others because of such differences.... and if their journey in life take them some where else.... so be it.
to each his own. why should i impose what i believe to be true to others?
all we need to know is that we will bear the consequences of our choices in life.
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This kinda reminds me of what M&P always says - that belief is a gift.
If there is a God, and I should meet him one day, I will tell him, "Well Lord, you just didn't give me enough evidence."
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yeah, but you won't be able to come back to tell us your experience.Originally posted by Phaze:This kinda reminds me of what M&P always says - that belief is a gift.
If there is a God, and I should meet him one day, I will tell him, "Well Lord, you just didn't give me enough evidence."
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But I think we already agree on this point - that this is something everyone has to learn for himself or herself. :pOriginally posted by Chin Eng:yeah, but you won't be able to come back to tell us your experience. -
which is why i find it futile to kowpeh kowbu about whether god exist or not.Originally posted by Phaze:But I think we already agree on this point - that this is something everyone has to learn for himself or herself. :p -
It's not really about kowpeh kowbu-ing about whether god exists or not.Originally posted by Chin Eng:which is why i find it futile to kowpeh kowbu about whether god exist or not.
Personally I think the probability is infinitesimally low based on the evidence. I also think that the common christian concept of god is logically inconsistent. But I feel I understand why I think this way. I know what I believe and how I came to those conclusions. And as you are probably aware, I've attempted to explain those views numerous times in other posts.
The problem is, I find that a lot of people don't know what they believe. And even if they know why they believe, they don't know why they believe it. And that's how the kowpeh kowbu-ing about whether god exists comes about.
If someone tells me "belief is a gift. God chooses those who will be saved." The person believes I am not chosen and I will go to hell. I can accept that view. I disagree with it but I can accept it. I also expect that person to understand why there's no reason for me to share that view.
If someone tells me "I opened my heart and God blessed me by coming into my life." I can accept that. But I also expect that person accept that god didn't come into mine, and I have no reason to feel the same way."
But when someone tells me, "You must believe in God." I have to ask why? And if the answer is "because the bible is evidence of God," I'll address the issue of why the person feels that the bible is evidence of god.
I am amused when people ask me, "Why are you angry with God?"
I am amused when people tell me, "you know there's a god. But you just choose not to believe in him because you don't want to face up to your sins."
I'm amused when people tell me that they believe in creationism when they don't even know which version of creationism they believe in.
I'm amused when people tell me "I don't know what I know, I just know."
So I simply point out the inconsistencies and logical fallacies in a person's argument. Often, because of the arguments presented, the topic spills into a discussion of the nature and existence of god. But really, the main objective is just to help people know what they believe so they can understand why others may not believe the same. -
There's no such thing as satanic forces, every people has a fundamental darkness inside them, who they themselves know it. It's ultimately up to them to overcome it. Seeking help from external sources like Exorcists (who "OOH!!! AAH!!! in the name of blah blah blah blah blah), actually in fact are running away from their own problems & not dare to face reality.
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believe me when I say that I have to deal with all kinds of crap in church too.Originally posted by Phaze:It's not really about kowpeh kowbu-ing about whether god exists or not.
Personally I think the probability is infinitesimally low based on the evidence. I also think that the common christian concept of god is logically inconsistent. But I feel I understand why I think this way. I know what I believe and how I came to those conclusions. And as you are probably aware, I've attempted to explain those views numerous times in other posts.
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So I simply point out the inconsistencies and logical fallacies in a person's argument. Often, because of the arguments presented, the topic spills into a discussion of the nature and existence of god. But really, the main objective is just to help people know what they believe so they can understand why others may not believe the same. -
Watever it is ..
God or Satan?
I duno to believe or dont.
If i really had to choose, i rather believe there is Satan around us. Why ? cuz theres just too many stories from people bout thhere is this thing around us. even my company has this thing. Ppl who have seen this thing surely believe in this thing, Ppl who never see this at all , perhaps due to high luck wont see this till their death.
But God? Till now mayb only few or mayb none see the God at all.
but man, i just duno to believe or not in God. I rather depend on myself how to handle any problem or how to improve myself than asking for God's bless.
For me, it is we who bless ourself. IM not saying we don trust there is God. but what im indicating here is that we do things ourself here and hope for the best.