http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 en-US 60 <blockquote> <p>God is always true. it just depends on whether we want to find it a not</p> </blockquote> <p>and so is the flying spaghetti monster <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;Amen</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:12:56 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7918137 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <p>Always pray for the second coming of messiah, our world has run her last leg<img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/KMess-Cartoon/angel.png" alt= "angel.png" /></p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:09:45 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7918134 Catknight http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Depend on yourself lor...</p> <p>Only if god is true, then it is logical. Heck, if god is true, I believe in it even if I am bill gates</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>God is always true. it just depends on whether we want to find it a not</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:06:12 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917946 rlsh07 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <p>u ah...</p> <p>can oly pray for a miracle liao.</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:03:23 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917936 Hello Kitty http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote class=""> <p>If you can't depend on family and govt then you depend on God...isn't this logical?</p> </blockquote> <p>Depend on yourself lor...</p> <p>Only if god is true, then it is logical. Heck, if god is true, I believe in it even if I am bill gates</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:56:25 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917901 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <p>If you can't depend on family and govt then you depend on God...isn't this logical?</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:51:59 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917644 Catknight http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <p>i'm saying generally in war time but in today's world, yes life may get better and lifestyles changes , but there is always disadvantages and advantages no matter how you look at it though.</p> </blockquote> <p>Well obviously the advantages r more than the disadvantages. U encourage people to have wars ?</p> <blockquote> <p>well......it would've been a waste....you could teach your child to do good......</p> </blockquote> <p>The ultimae goal is to go to heaven isn't it ? They could go to hell which is infinitely many times worse</p> <blockquote> <p>well learning from evil is the same as learning one's mistake.....once learn you try not to repeat the same mistake unless you choose to do it for some reason......</p> </blockquote> <p>Learning from mistakes is not learning from failure <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;U r mixing up failure and evil as the same thing. Evil is doing something tat harms other party while failure is the inability to make something succeed or work. They r different. U can learn from mistakes and failure but tat is different from learning evil. Learning evil means becoming evil.</p> <blockquote> <p>hmmm.....yesh without evil it would be possible.....i think evil also mould cultures in someway......</p> <p>if out of 100 people, 1 is born with autism and stuff and they are a nuisance to the world population....wot would you propose to be done if the world has no evil?</p> </blockquote> <p>If the world has no evil, then obviously society will help them more than if there is evil</p> <blockquote> <p>wot if a virus spreads through a city and the risk of the virus spreading is damn high and no cure found.....wot would you do to the city?</p> </blockquote> <p>I will quarrantine the city. And tat is not evil because I do it in good faith. If evil exist, then people becomes selfish and&nbsp;will try to escape from the quarantine and doom mankind.</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:41:32 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917523 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by rlsh07:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>not really why?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>just asking......</p> <p>sgf kinda quiet....</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:53:44 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917205 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Deino:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>hello rlsh07.....you just woke up ah?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>not really why?</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:51:07 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917201 rlsh07 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <p>hello rlsh07.....you just woke up ah?</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:49:18 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917200 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Suicide is sin only because someone tell tat to u. If u wanna your baby to go to heaven immediately, u should kill it and bear the sin yourself while your baby enjoy his life immediately in heaven</p> <p>Says who ? People learn because there is a need. They learn to farm because they need food. They learn to make cars because they can travel. It again has nothing to do with evil. U still cannot sure me an example how evil can facilitate men to learn the right thing</p> <p>If there is no evil, why learn evil ? Fighting for territory is itself evil and without evil, there is no fight.</p> <p>If there is no evil, people still can do population control such as contraceptives etc. There is nothing evil using contraceptives.&nbsp;Effort to stem global warming can become stronger because men have no greed and they r willing to spend resources to combat the problem. Evil again has shown to cause more problems than solving them</p> <p>U really predict my response :D It is hard to esay whether war make science better because wars itself stop education, peace, research and kill scientists and people. If there is no war, maybe technology will become better due to the need of the people and with better resources.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>well......it would've been a waste....you could teach your child to do good......</p> <p>well learning from evil is the same as learning one's mistake.....once learn you try not to repeat the same mistake unless you choose to do it for some reason......</p> <p>hmmm.....yesh without evil it would be possible.....i think evil also mould cultures in someway......</p> <p>if out of 100 people, 1 is born with autism and stuff and they are a nuisance to the world population....wot would you propose to be done if the world has no evil?</p> <p>wot if a virus spreads through a city and the risk of the virus spreading is damn high and no cure found.....wot would you do to the city?</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:47:34 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917199 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Tat is correct if u interprete from a society point of view. However from a religion point of view it cannot answer why suicide is discouraged</p> <p>In wartime it doesn't means there is no diesease&nbsp;<img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;Is just tat at peace time, more effort r spent on combatting dieseases and tat is why the highlight</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> do you knoe that society point of view is influenced by a person's moral values. A person's values can come from a lot of places, his experience, his religion and his friends and family. you are only restricting your thoughts though</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>i'm saying generally in war time but in today's world, yes life may get better and lifestyles changes , but there is always disadvantages and advantages no matter how you look at it though.</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:47:19 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917198 rlsh07 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <p>suicide is a way of running away and it should never ever be an option to resolve anything. because it always hurts the people who are left behind and they will have to resolve the problems you created.</p> </blockquote> <p>Tat is correct if u interprete from a society point of view. However from a religion point of view it cannot answer why suicide is discouraged</p> <blockquote> <p>In war, many lives were killed. when technology and life become better, a lot of weird diseases is coming up.</p> </blockquote> <p>In wartime it doesn't means there is no diesease&nbsp;<img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;Is just tat at peace time, more effort r spent on combatting dieseases and tat is why the highlight</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:44:07 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917195 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <p>suicide is a way of running away and it should never ever be an option to resolve anything. because it always hurts the people who are left behind and they will have to resolve the problems you created.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>there is always good out of every situation. in every situation, there are disadvantages and advantages. as you say,</p> <p><strong>"wars itself stop education, peace, research and kill scientists and people. If there is no war, maybe technology will become better due to the need of the people and with better resources."</strong></p> <p>In war, many lives were killed. when technology and life become better, a lot of weird diseases is coming up.</p> <p>so it really depends on one's perspective. life is a matter of perspective though</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:39:50 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917189 rlsh07 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <p>suicide is sin......</p> </blockquote> <p>Suicide is sin only because someone tell tat to u. If u wanna your baby to go to heaven immediately, u should kill it and bear the sin yourself while your baby enjoy his life immediately in heaven</p> <blockquote> <p>wrong.....the only way for man to learn is to experience.....some people can becoz they learn from others's experience....so being able to do evil is imoprtant......its not about wot you have done, but wot you will do in the future</p> </blockquote> <p>Says who ? People learn because there is a need. They learn to farm because they need food. They learn to make cars because they can travel. It again has nothing to do with evil. U still cannot sure me an example how evil can facilitate men to learn the right thing</p> <blockquote> <p>like i said, in this world, without the ability to do evil, do you think people would've known wot is evil? same goes to animals, they dunno how to differenciate between doing evil and good....fighting for territories etc....men have many times over fought for territories to but we learn not to harm each other in the process over years and decades......animals, uptil now have still fought for territories the same way they did since who knows when.....people may still be killing now and then, history repeats itself but hell at least we learn from them......</p> </blockquote> <p>If there is no evil, why learn evil ? Fighting for territory is itself evil and without evil, there is no fight.</p> <blockquote> <p>if there is no evil, the world overpopulated.....global warmin may still happen and wot are we gonna do to the overpopulated world?</p> </blockquote> <p>If there is no evil, people still can do population control such as contraceptives etc. There is nothing evil using contraceptives.&nbsp;Effort to stem global warming can become stronger because men have no greed and they r willing to spend resources to combat the problem. Evil again has shown to cause more problems than solving them</p> <blockquote> <p>the world without evil maybe a good thing if you see it.....who wouldn't......but the most important thing is how you use it......many breakthrough technologies have been found from wars etc.....i know you would probably say that it is possible to find these technologies without war but it has happened.....you cannot change it....just live through the times......</p> </blockquote> <p>U really predict my response :D It is hard to esay whether war make science better because wars itself stop education, peace, research and kill scientists and people. If there is no war, maybe technology will become better due to the need of the people and with better resources.</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:33:51 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917184 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Precisely. If there is life after death, and it is a better life, why don't u encourage mass suicide ?</p> <p>U can think and reason without the need to be able to do evil <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" /></p> <p>Why does evil exist then can necessary lessons be learned ? U can still learn tat helping others give them happiness. U can still learn tat playing a piano is enjoyable. U can still learn science and apply it. &nbsp;In fact u can learn a lot of good things without evil. And it does not means helping other is senseless. U help other because they need help, not because u wanna go to heaven or something. U help a granny cross a road because u think it helps her. It is not senseless choice. It is meaningful even when there is no evil</p> <p>With evil, wat do u learn ? U learn to be defensive to protect yourself. U learn to hurt others to prevent others from bullying u. U learn how to lie to prevent yourself being blamed. U learn how to cheat to earn money. All these r bad and necessary things to learn when evil is abound. But if evil is not around, these skills become redundant</p> <p>Why does evil means being able to use your brain ? R u trying to say evil people r smarter then ? Then Ghandhi and mother teresa r idiots while einstein is pure evil. They r mutually independent events. Without evil, people can still learn how to play music or learn a language. Without evil, people can still research and study. Without evil, people can still make decisions. Evil and thinking r mutually exclusive. Give me an example why evil have to do with thinking.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>U r making a logically flawed argument. U r saying animals r stupid and does not display morals code and conclude tat without displaying evil u r as stupid as animals. It is the same as saying&nbsp;smelly toufu&nbsp;(food)&nbsp;taste good if they use&nbsp;very smelly and rotten toufu&nbsp;and conclude&nbsp;all dishes&nbsp;must use&nbsp;smelly and rotten toufu&nbsp;to taste good.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>suicide is sin......</p> <p>wrong.....the only way for man to learn is to experience.....some people can becoz they learn from others's experience....so being able to do evil is imoprtant......its not about wot you have done, but wot you will do in the future</p> <p>yes, smarter people are able to do more evil than dumb people coz dumb people dunno how to differenciate good and evil at times......</p> <p>i didn't say einstein and ghandi was evil, but the fact that they were able to yet they didn't do it is an example that they are learned men........they learn and know wot is good and bad and they choose.....</p> <p>like i said, in this world, without the ability to do evil, do you think people would've known wot is evil? same goes to animals, they dunno how to differenciate between doing evil and good....fighting for territories etc....men have many times over fought for territories to but we learn not to harm each other in the process over years and decades......animals, uptil now have still fought for territories the same way they did since who knows when.....people may still be killing now and then, history repeats itself but hell at least we learn from them......</p> <p>if there is no evil, the world overpopulated.....global warmin may still happen and wot are we gonna do to the overpopulated world?</p> <p>the world without evil maybe a good thing if you see it.....who wouldn't......but the most important thing is how you use it......many breakthrough technologies have been found from wars etc.....i know you would probably say that it is possible to find these technologies without war but it has happened.....you cannot change it....just live through the times......</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:57:26 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7917043 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <p>well.....from my learning and in this case, if there is life after death, then wot is the problem with dying?</p> </blockquote> <p>Precisely. If there is life after death, and it is a better life, why don't u encourage mass suicide ?</p> <blockquote> <p>we maybe programmed to be able to do evil.....but we also are programmed to think and reason......</p> </blockquote> <p>U can think and reason without the need to be able to do evil <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" /></p> <blockquote> <p>free will is the ability to do anything that in this world which is bound by its own laws.......</p> <p>if men didn't have the ability to do evil, he won't know evil in the first place and if he didn't know evil, there won't be any lessons to learn.....this means that life would be senseless........thus doing all those things that you mention would have no impact on your morality.......giving, helping etc. would be no more than a senseless choice expect becoz they need it.....these are the properties of a robot......</p> </blockquote> <p>Why does evil exist then can necessary lessons be learned ? U can still learn tat helping others give them happiness. U can still learn tat playing a piano is enjoyable. U can still learn science and apply it. &nbsp;In fact u can learn a lot of good things without evil. And it does not means helping other is senseless. U help other because they need help, not because u wanna go to heaven or something. U help a granny cross a road because u think it helps her. It is not senseless choice. It is meaningful even when there is no evil</p> <p>With evil, wat do u learn ? U learn to be defensive to protect yourself. U learn to hurt others to prevent others from bullying u. U learn how to lie to prevent yourself being blamed. U learn how to cheat to earn money. All these r bad and necessary things to learn when evil is abound. But if evil is not around, these skills become redundant</p> <blockquote> <p>This is just like animals.......if you wan the ability to not commit evil, then be an animal which have no moral code.......becoz they dun have this ability, it wouldn't be a sin to them for eating their young and fighting each other off to the death.......</p> <p>the ability to do evil is very important coz it has put senses to our brains.....</p> <p>if we dun have the ability to do evil, then we won't have the ability to think.......both co-exist......if not, even kicking a granny into a pit hole wouldn't be considered a sin.....and that would make us an animal</p> </blockquote> <p>Why does evil means being able to use your brain ? R u trying to say evil people r smarter then ? Then Ghandhi and mother teresa r idiots while einstein is pure evil. They r mutually independent events. Without evil, people can still learn how to play music or learn a language. Without evil, people can still research and study. Without evil, people can still make decisions. Evil and thinking r mutually exclusive. Give me an example why evil have to do with thinking.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>U r making a logically flawed argument. U r saying animals r stupid and does not display morals code and conclude tat without displaying evil u r as stupid as animals. It is the same as saying&nbsp;smelly toufu&nbsp;(food)&nbsp;taste good if they use&nbsp;very smelly and rotten toufu&nbsp;and conclude&nbsp;all dishes&nbsp;must use&nbsp;smelly and rotten toufu&nbsp;to taste good.</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:30:52 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7916423 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Coevolver:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><em>I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.<br /></em><br /> - Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in <em>Skeptic</em> magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Well said.</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:03:22 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7916354 soleachip http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Catknight:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Sometimes when you are all alone and helpless, abandoned by family and friends.... Can geniune prayers to heaven help?<img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/KMess/angel.png" alt= "angel.png" /></p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Well, it depends on you... <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/KMess-Cartoon/wink.png" alt= "wink.png" /></p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:53:02 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7916330 caleb_chiang http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Then tis god is ridiculous.We r programmed by him to commit evil then we r punished because of his programming. If your left eye caused u to sin, gorge it out and throw it away. Since committing evil caused us to sin, then take it out from us and lead us to heaven directly.</p> <p>If he forgive, then he will remove the punishment of death. We still die now.</p> <p>Sorry man... goodness is not dependent on evil as well. I help a granny cross the road. Tat is goodness, and without evil tat is still goodness. I help a friend call a cab, give begger some food, raise public awareness about hazard on the road, return wallet to police, research a medicine to help the world and they r good things without involving evil.</p> <p>Without evil tat is still goodness. Goodness exists irregardless of evil.</p> <p>Why wouldn't it be right <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;Why give us the ability to do bad things unless god is evil himself ? We can still have a power over most things but just tat we do not have the power to commit evil. We can still save the environment, help species adapt, help fellow people make the world a better place, world peace and tis power does not come because evil exist. Evil actually make us powerless.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>well.....from my learning and in this case, if there is life after death, then wot is the problem with dying?</p> <p>we maybe programmed to be able to do evil.....but we also are programmed to think and reason......</p> <p>free will is the ability to do anything that in this world which is bound by its own laws.......</p> <p>if men didn't have the ability to do evil, he won't know evil in the first place and if he didn't know evil, there won't be any lessons to learn.....this means that life would be senseless........thus doing all those things that you mention would have no impact on your morality.......giving, helping etc. would be no more than a senseless choice expect becoz they need it.....these are the properties of a robot......</p> <p>This is just like animals.......if you wan the ability to not commit evil, then be an animal which have no moral code.......becoz they dun have this ability, it wouldn't be a sin to them for eating their young and fighting each other off to the death.......</p> <p>the ability to do evil is very important coz it has put senses to our brains.....</p> <p>if we dun have the ability to do evil, then we won't have the ability to think.......both co-exist......if not, even kicking a granny into a pit hole wouldn't be considered a sin.....and that would make us an animal</p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:45:57 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7916302 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Catknight:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>If einstein think there's a intelligent creator out there in our universe, who are we to say there's not?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Einstein most certainly did not believe in a personal god, contray to what Catknight said. When Einstein used the word "god" in his conversation or writings, he used it as a metaphor to mean "nature" or the universe at large" and not the god(s)&nbsp;that religionists recognise.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is similar to me saying "Santa came early this year" when I get a big bonus fr my boss in June, but it certainly does not mean I believe in the existence of Santa Claus.</p> <p>Einstein is either&nbsp;agnostic or&nbsp;atheistic. Einstein also felt that a belief in a personal God is a main source of&nbsp;conflicts in the Mankind's history:&nbsp;</p> <p>The following are Einsteins's own words:</p> <p><em>It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.</span> If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.<br /></em><br /> - Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in <em>Albert Einstein: The Human Side</em>, edited by Helen Dukas &amp; Banesh Hoffman</p> <p> &nbsp;---------------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p><em>I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the <span style= "text-decoration: underline;">idea of a personal God is a childlike one</span>. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">You may call me an agnostic</span>, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.<br /></em><br /> - Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in <em>Skeptic</em> magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2</p> <p> <em>-----------------------------------------------------------</em></p> <p><em>Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. <span style= "text-decoration: underline;">For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer</span>, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.<br /></em><br /> - Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray; quoted in: <em>Albert Einstein: The Human Side</em>, edited by Helen Dukas &amp; Banesh Hoffmann</p> <p><a href= "http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/Einstein-on-a-Personal-God.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://atheism.about.com/od/einsteingodreligion/tp/Einstein-on-a-Personal-God.htm</a></p> Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:25:33 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7916217 Coevolver http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <p>he sets mankind over all beings....we have the ability to think......we may be programmed to be able to commit evil.....but we are also programmed to choose, think and reason......thats wot sets us apart.....in the end he did forgive adam for commiting sin.....we're not robots.....we are given the power to choose.....</p> </blockquote> <p>Then tis god is ridiculous.We r programmed by him to commit evil then we r punished because of his programming. If your left eye caused u to sin, gorge it out and throw it away. Since committing evil caused us to sin, then take it out from us and lead us to heaven directly.</p> <p>If he forgive, then he will remove the punishment of death. We still die now.</p> <blockquote> <p>goodness without evil is not goodness......thats why we can choose......</p> </blockquote> <p>Sorry man... goodness is not dependent on evil as well. I help a granny cross the road. Tat is goodness, and without evil tat is still goodness. I help a friend call a cab, give begger some food, raise public awareness about hazard on the road, return wallet to police, research a medicine to help the world and they r good things without involving evil.</p> <p>Without evil tat is still goodness. Goodness exists irregardless of evil.</p> <blockquote> <p>but it wouldn't be right......everything in this world has the ability to do bad things.....animals eat their young etc.....god gave us this world so that we may dwell and take care, and have power over most of it......hmmmm.....</p> </blockquote> <p>Why wouldn't it be right <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;Why give us the ability to do bad things unless god is evil himself ? We can still have a power over most things but just tat we do not have the power to commit evil. We can still save the environment, help species adapt, help fellow people make the world a better place, world peace and tis power does not come because evil exist. Evil actually make us powerless.</p> Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:12:34 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7912661 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <p>goodness without evil is not goodness......thats why we can choose......</p> <p>i get your point on having free will but without the ability to do evil.......</p> <p>but it wouldn't be right......everything in this world has the ability to do bad things.....animals eat their young etc.....god gave us this world so that we may dwell and take care, and have power over most of it......hmmmm.....</p> <p>gotta go now.....</p> Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:00:30 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7912645 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by stupidissmart:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Tat is the only freewill we really want <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;U want freewill without committing evil or freewill tat commit evil ?</p> <p>I don't see god liking tis effect himself since it decide adam have to die in the end <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;He&nbsp;create hell and sinning and etc&nbsp;when we r programmed by him&nbsp;to commit evil. He like us to commit evil or not ?</p> <p>Isn't tat wat we all want ? <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" /></p> <p>Remember god is omnipotent. He can do tis</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>the keyword here is power......</p> <p>he sets mankind over all beings....we have the ability to think......we may be programmed to be able to commit evil.....but we are also programmed to choose, think and reason......thats wot sets us apart.....in the end he did forgive adam for commiting sin.....we're not robots.....we are given the power to choose.....</p> Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:59:22 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7912639 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626 <blockquote> <p>free will wthout the ability to commit evil is not free will......</p> </blockquote> <p>Tat is the only freewill we really want <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;U want freewill without committing evil or freewill tat commit evil ?</p> <blockquote> <p>becoz we are given the choice to do so but we do not do is why god prefers us over other beings and also the reason why he made the angels bow down to adam.....</p> </blockquote> <p>I don't see god liking tis effect himself since it decide adam have to die in the end <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;He&nbsp;create hell and sinning and etc&nbsp;when we r programmed by him&nbsp;to commit evil. He like us to commit evil or not ?</p> <blockquote> <p>its just like saying that a you wished a knife couldn't kill people and be used to chop vegies instead</p> </blockquote> <p>Isn't tat wat we all want ? <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" /></p> <p>Remember god is omnipotent. He can do tis</p> Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:54:05 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309626:7912630 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309626