http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 en-US 60 <blockquote> <p>Oh, definitely. It's possible to believe in god but not any present religion. Can't quite remember what it's called, though. Just theism? Don't think so. Also, it's actually quite common.</p> </blockquote> <p>Yes, I can't find the proper name for it either and I'm sure its not agnostic.&nbsp; I was hoping someone here would know. <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/BoxedEmoticonSet/bigsmile.png" alt= "bigsmile.png" /></p> <div class=""> <blockquote> <p>If you believe in God yet you believe in no religion, it's quite contradicting.</p> <p>But then again, humans are an irony themselves.</p> </blockquote> I don't believe in religion because to me religion, is someone else's definition of what God/soul/etc&nbsp;is.</div> <div class="">&nbsp;</div> <div class=""> <div class="">I'd rather discover about these things myself.</div> </div> <div class="">The other reason I stopped believing, is because the religion that I was born into,claims that the afterlife for those who've done bad deeds in this world is eternal torment.</div> <div class="">I cannot accept a god whose nature is love, would subject any soul to unending punishment,</div> <div class="">That's worse than the harshest judge !</div> <div class="">Even a criminal who is sentenced to death or life imprisonment&nbsp;only suffers for a certaing period, not eternity !</div> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:46:56 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7907781 Talrak http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <p>the problem with this is you can neither disprove it nor prove it</p> </blockquote> <p>The burden of proving lies on the person making the extraordinary claim. Since it is never observed heaven or hell exist, the burden of proving it to be true lies on the person making tis claim. It is stupid to ask people to "disprove" something otherwise it becomes "true". If tat is the case, then every stupid monters, theory, fiction and&nbsp;fairytales r true. Can u prove snow white to be a false character ? Can u prove Harry Potter does not exist ?</p> <blockquote> <p>besides, its scientific for a human to believe in a higher being since we are higher beings the higher beings of this planet.....its only natural if one believes on the possibility of higher beings that has control over our universe etc....</p> </blockquote> <p>Scientific means looking at evidence. There is no evidence to show there is a higher being, purposely hide away from us, able to control life and death, morally right&nbsp;and actually care a hoot about every single individual in tis world.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:57:28 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906985 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by angel7030:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Huh! so we are God of all beings here, but we kill others, cook or eat them raw? And in term of eg.&nbsp;climbing trees, monkey being are better than us, how can we be the higher being?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>well.....we may not possess the abilities some animals do.....</p> <p>but we are the only creature here with the ability to change and control our surroundings......thats where darwin's survival of the fittest comes in.....or rather i would say survival of the smartest and one which could adapt easily.......</p> <p>we have power over our environment</p> <p>we are the gods of this world in a way even if we are not immortal or the sort</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:00:47 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906870 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Deino:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>i was talking about wot ongsoosiang said lah<img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_neutral.gif" alt= "icon_neutral.gif" /></p> <p>besides, its scientific for a human to believe in a higher being since we are higher beings the higher beings of this planet.....its only natural if one believes on the possibility of higher beings that has control over our universe etc....</p> <p>hmmm....</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Huh! so we are God of all beings here, but we kill others, cook or eat them raw? And in term of eg.&nbsp;climbing trees, monkey being are better than us, how can we be the higher being?</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:50:06 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906854 angel7030 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by mancha:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Its not a matter of prove it, or disprove it, it is a matter of whether you believe or not. Some people live on the basis of scientific proof for everything, well.... its their lot.</p> <p>What is the purpose of living? <span style= "text-decoration: underline;">Pursuit of happiness?</span> Not by a fat chance. All have one common goal, and that is zero suffering. When that is obtained or absent, life then becomes a challenge<strong>;</strong> to maintain status quo,&nbsp;to accumulate wealth, to keep up with the neighbours,&nbsp; to obtain prestige, power, to whatever one desire,&nbsp;etc and etc. Most&nbsp;are successful, some are more successful and there are those who flounder. Anxiety now replaces the pursuit of zero suffering. In all this hetic confusion called life, some will seek solace, to quieten their mind. There are various tactics to keep the mind still,(meditation, medication, accumualtion of wealth and whatnot)&nbsp;&nbsp;religion is only one of them. And it works for some, not for others, again, to each his own.</p> <p>You can see whether a person has a peaceful disposition or not. Those that are peaceful with themselves and others, good for them. Those whose mind and body are in a state of disharmony, let them be, it is within their power to alleviate their turmoil. They only need to be smart.<img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/KMess-Cartoon/teeth.png" alt= "teeth.png" /></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>i was talking about wot ongsoosiang said lah<img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_neutral.gif" alt= "icon_neutral.gif" /></p> <p>besides, its scientific for a human to believe in a higher being since we are higher beings the higher beings of this planet.....its only natural if one believes on the possibility of higher beings that has control over our universe etc....</p> <p>hmmm....</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:43:11 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906839 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Deino:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>prove this......</p> <p>the problem with this is you can neither disprove it nor prove it</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Its not a matter of prove it, or disprove it, it is a matter of whether you believe or not. Some people live on the basis of scientific proof for everything, well.... its their lot.</p> <p>What is the purpose of living? <span style= "text-decoration: underline;">Pursuit of happiness?</span> Not by a fat chance. All have one common goal, and that is zero suffering. When that is obtained or absent, life then becomes a challenge<strong>;</strong> to maintain status quo,&nbsp;to accumulate wealth, to keep up with the neighbours,&nbsp; to obtain prestige, power, to whatever one desire,&nbsp;etc and etc. Most&nbsp;are successful, some are more successful and there are those who flounder. Anxiety now replaces the pursuit of zero suffering. In all this hetic confusion called life, some will seek solace, to quieten their mind. There are various tactics to keep the mind still,(meditation, medication, accumualtion of wealth and whatnot)&nbsp;&nbsp;religion is only one of them. And it works for some, not for others, again, to each his own.</p> <p>You can see whether a person has a peaceful disposition or not. Those that are peaceful with themselves and others, good for them. Those whose mind and body are in a state of disharmony, let them be, it is within their power to alleviate their turmoil. They only need to be smart.<img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/KMess-Cartoon/teeth.png" alt= "teeth.png" /></p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:00:09 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906743 mancha http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <p>shrugs. religion to me is about rules and regulations, if you do this, you're bad, if you do that you're good.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:23:53 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906664 dumbdumb! http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Ongsoosiang:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>There is no life after death.When you die, you will return to the earth and that's the end.Jesus is not in heaven.You don't need to forsake your sins in order to be saved.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>prove this......</p> <p>the problem with this is you can neither disprove it nor prove it</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:57:22 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906626 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by QX179R:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>For me, I believe that there is only one god, also there's life after death &amp; when you do good, you'll be rewarded but when you do bad, then there's punishment</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>There is no life after death.When you die, you will return to the earth and that's the end.Jesus is not in heaven.You don't need to forsake your sins in order to be saved.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:54:09 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906618 Ongsoosiang http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <p>it's common sense that there is a God though</p> </blockquote> <p>Never see him, never feel him, never hear him, no signs he exists and then it is common sense he exist ? <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" />&nbsp;</p> <p>then it is common sense tat anything can exist</p> <blockquote> <p>If you believe in God, and there isn't one, its OK.</p> <p>But if you don't believe, and there is one, you're screwed.</p> </blockquote> <p>If u believe in god, u waste time praying, money tilthing, effort learning etc. If u guess the wrong choice out of the thousands of religion, u r gangbanged.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:30:45 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906495 stupidissmart http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <p>Yes, of course, the world is yours, take what you want, do what you can, think what u deem. Just prepare to take the consequences and responsibility will do.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>My God said,</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Angel,</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>In heaven, God rules</p> <p>In earth, man rules</p> <p>In Hell, the devil rules.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:12:27 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906461 angel7030 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>wad are the 3 Os?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> O level passes.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:10:15 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906459 angel7030 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Deino:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>actually i think its kinda ok for a person to believe in a god but not in a religion becoz he is not sure of wot the religion teaches.....</p> <p>i know how it feels.....</p> <p>it would be like turning your back to god when you believe in him, yet you realise that the religion you converted to teaches nothing about the god you expected....</p> <p>darn....i wonder how many of these kinda threads are there in sgf</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> sounds like the people in a certain country, they believed in the government but were screwed.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:51:24 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906434 Jamie Zawinski http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by mancha:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>If you believe in God, and there isn't one, its OK.</p> <p>But if you don't believe, and there is one, you're screwed.</p> <p><em>- Danny Crane, Boston Legal<br /></em></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>If you believe in a&nbsp;god, and there isn't one, its OK.</p> <p>If you don't believe, and there is one, you're screwed.</p> <p>But if you believe in this god, and there is&nbsp;another one, you're doubly screwed.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:49:13 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906431 Jamie Zawinski http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Deino:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>actually i think its kinda ok for a person to believe in a god but not in a religion becoz he is not sure of wot the religion teaches.....</p> <p>i know how it feels.....</p> <p>it would be like turning your back to god when you believe in him, yet you realise that the religion you converted to teaches nothing about the god you expected....</p> <p>darn....i wonder how many of these kinda threads are there in sgf</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Hmm... good point there.</p> <p>But religions isn't all about Gods...</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:41:54 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906170 ndmmxiaomayi http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <p>oh noes.....</p> <p>that would be like having LKY without Singapore.</p> <p><img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt= "icon_lol.gif" /><img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" /></p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:35:48 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906162 maurizio13 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>If you believe in God yet you believe in no religion, it's quite contradicting.</p> <p>But then again, humans are an irony themselves.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>actually i think its kinda ok for a person to believe in a god but not in a religion becoz he is not sure of wot the religion teaches.....</p> <p>i know how it feels.....</p> <p>it would be like turning your back to god when you believe in him, yet you realise that the religion you converted to teaches nothing about the god you expected....</p> <p>darn....i wonder how many of these kinda threads are there in sgf</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:01:15 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906111 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <p>If you believe in God yet you believe in no religion, it's quite contradicting.</p> <p>But then again, humans are an irony themselves.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:55:29 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906103 ndmmxiaomayi http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Deino:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>?</p> <p>i dun find not believing in a higher being common sense.....</p> <p>rather, it is common sense to believe in a higher being.......</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>If you believe in God, and there isn't one, its OK.</p> <p>But if you don't believe, and there is one, you're screwed.</p> <p><em>- Danny Crane, Boston Legal<br /></em></p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:43:12 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906077 mancha http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by january:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>pls lah.... no god in this world. common sense stuff.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>?</p> <p>i dun find not believing in a higher being common sense.....</p> <p>rather, it is common sense to believe in a higher being.......</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:27:15 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906028 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Talrak:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>In your view, how long does the punishment go on in hell?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Forever</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Or</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>After a certain period of suffering for his,her misdeeds, the bad soul can go to heaven as well?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>i was taught that every man who has an inch of goodness in their heart will have a place in heaven......only that they have to serve years in hell.......as for those who dunno then i think they are exempted.....but i guess god lets men think....so its solely how we think is most important......shit...i'm getting sleepy...i start writing crap sometimes when i get sleepy........</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:25:11 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906019 Deino http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Nestigator:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>its all about confusion over words</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> hmm.. though</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:25:02 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906018 rlsh07 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <p>its all about confusion over words</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:24:24 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7906015 Nestigator http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by january:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>pls lah.... no god in this world. common sense stuff.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> it's common sense that there is a God though</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:11:36 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7905986 rlsh07 http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755 <p>pls lah.... no god in this world. common sense stuff.</p> Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:11:00 +0800 sgforums.com:8:309755:7905982 january http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/309755