questions abt GOD existent replied by TS Kan @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:29:38 +0800

TS Kan — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:29:38 +0800

Very well said. When things are within our control we can think clearly and logically but at other times (eg if stricken with fatal disease & a short time left in this world) one becomes easy prey to people providing spiritual guidance as a way out of the problem.

questions abt GOD existent replied by wilsonhao @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:49:53 +0800

wilsonhao — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:49:53 +0800

Originally posted by stupidissmart:

I do not agree with tis point though. Without religion, people still have morals and know how to live in society. Tis can even be explained from an evolution principle. People live in groups. People who live better in group survive better. They will develop traits tat allow them to live better in groups. And these traits r simply morals, or how to live in society and ground

Without religion, there is no moral is such a sweeping statement. There are many atheist today in the world who still live happily and uphold morality. Religion is just an aspect of one's life. I also realize nowadays that many of those into religions are not upholding morality at all. Especially teenagers who claim they go to church and all these whom i noe. they are still as selfish and inconsiderate as they were. I dont want to quarrell or whatever here, but just wanna say there are many paths in life, not just one. The path is each and everyone's choice, and if everyone follow the same path, there is chaos too.

But of course, religion is still important. Some people needs religion to guide their lives. Its up to the indivisual to decide. However, many wars has sparked off due to religion. There are killings, slanderings and all kinds of evil you can think of when war starts. If religions uphold morality and make people do good things, why is there intolerance and discrimination that is not even considered moral.

questions abt GOD existent replied by stupidissmart @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:19:19 +0800

stupidissmart — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:19:19 +0800

Let me see... Have you watched 10,000BC? In the past, people are already living in groups. From groups to villages and finally to cities. In those ancient "groups", they have their religion too. And its that very religion that allows them to have their morals to not kill each other in the same group. As they shares the same belief AKA religion.

This boils down to a very old question whether moral code exists first or religion exists first. If u ask me, moral code exists first before a form of religion. This is because if they have no moral, they cannot live in a group in the first place and even if some guy have some facinating idea of a religion, he cannot spread it to his people. In fact, religion comes about only when a group live for a long period of time, so long tat it probably reaches hundreds of years to develop communication and language effectively then can a religion start off.

questions abt GOD existent replied by AugoeideS @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:57:15 +0800

AugoeideS — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:57:15 +0800

Originally posted by Spawnie_:

Er... Actually you should read before you post. :) Fittest of the lot/group/batch/species or even better traits than the current species = fast adpatation.

Let me see... Have you watched 10,000BC? In the past, people are already living in groups. From groups to villages and finally to cities. In those ancient "groups", they have their religion too. And its that very religion that allows them to have their morals to not kill each other in the same group. As they shares the same belief AKA religion.

I hope you're not mixing culture with religion. Chinese, regardless of any religion do come together to celebrate Chinese New Year as it is part and parcel of the Chinese culture. It has nothing to do with religion.

questions abt GOD existent replied by Spawnie_ @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:04:14 +0800

Spawnie_ — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:04:14 +0800

Originally posted by Deino:

actually its not survival of the fittest but survival of the one that can adapt faster and smarter.......

Er... Actually you should read before you post. :) Fittest of the lot/group/batch/species or even better traits than the current species = fast adpatation.

I do not agree with tis point though. Without religion, people still have morals and know how to live in society. Tis can even be explained from an evolution principle. People live in groups. People who live better in group survive better. They will develop traits tat allow them to live better in groups. And these traits r simply morals, or how to live in society and group

Let me see... Have you watched 10,000BC? In the past, people are already living in groups. From groups to villages and finally to cities. In those ancient "groups", they have their religion too. And its that very religion that allows them to have their morals to not kill each other in the same group. As they shares the same belief AKA religion.

questions abt GOD existent replied by soleachip @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:19:17 +0800

soleachip — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:19:17 +0800

Originally posted by stupidissmart:

I do not agree with tis point though. Without religion, people still have morals and know how to live in society. Tis can even be explained from an evolution principle. People live in groups. People who live better in group survive better. They will develop traits tat allow them to live better in groups. And these traits r simply morals, or how to live in society and group

Alright then. Good to know you've made peace with yourself abstaining from religion.

questions abt GOD existent replied by stupidissmart @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:14:13 +0800

stupidissmart — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:14:13 +0800

Although it can never be proven whether or not god existed, everyone must agree that - without religion, we will be living in a chaotic world where moral does not exist at all.

I do not agree with tis point though. Without religion, people still have morals and know how to live in society. Tis can even be explained from an evolution principle. People live in groups. People who live better in group survive better. They will develop traits tat allow them to live better in groups. And these traits r simply morals, or how to live in society and group

questions abt GOD existent replied by BangHong @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:16:39 +0800

BangHong — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:16:39 +0800

its all got to do with your dumb mind..

questions abt GOD existent replied by Deino @ Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:13:50 +0800

Deino — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:13:50 +0800

actually its not survival of the fittest but survival of the one that can adapt faster and smarter.......

questions abt GOD existent replied by Spawnie_ @ Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:55:11 +0800

Spawnie_ — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:55:11 +0800

Religion and Science exist for different purposes but yet explain the unexplained.

Religion is something that has existed for centuries. It all started out when people in the past question about "what happen when a man dies". So being the wisest in the town, the "wise" man tried to explain the unexplained. And along with the years, parents pass it on to childrens. This has become a root in many people and this is where one's moral come about. Although it can never be proven whether or not god existed, everyone must agree that - without religion, we will be living in a chaotic world where moral does not exist at all.

Science on the otherhand, are for the brave who ventures out to the unknown. Personally, I believe in darwin's theory and about the fittest survives. Cell mutates and its pretty obvious if you notice the people around you. Evolution does happen around you. Science can be used to explain many things but in the end, its a question of whether you believe in your religion or science.

Actually, talking about religion and science is a very troublesome topic. Religious people will question science and vice versa. And in worst case scenarios, the religous people will get offended because of the lack of evidence to prove their claims.. Oh well..

questions abt GOD existent replied by magical_wen @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:13:40 +0800

magical_wen — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:13:40 +0800

my dog is a buddist

questions abt GOD existent replied by angel7030 @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:34:16 +0800

angel7030 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:34:16 +0800

Originally posted by aiglosicicle:

ooo that would mean we are dinosaurs too. ROAR

Dino must roar meh?? Some dinosaurs are vegetable and pray to God ok.

questions abt GOD existent replied by angel7030 @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:29:10 +0800

angel7030 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:29:10 +0800

Originally posted by Deino:

who called me?

God

questions abt GOD existent replied by angel7030 @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:28:39 +0800

angel7030 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:28:39 +0800

Originally posted by FYLBA:

why can't dinosaur eat apple?

does apple exist 65 millions years ago?

questions abt GOD existent replied by stupidissmart @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:10:13 +0800

stupidissmart — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:10:13 +0800

yesh thats why i said humans can not be 100% sure of everything....must always leave room for doubt

Sure. Obviously if a certain reach a certain percentage of confidence, such as 99.9%, then it is treated as facts. If a thing is 0.01% possible, then it is treated as lame.

U sure your parents r the one tat give birth to u ? U cannot be sure of tat as well. Do u wanna live life thinking u r actually adopted or something ? U sure u did not live in the matrix ? U sure u r not mad and actually thinking u r sane in your imaginary world ? U decide man...

questions abt GOD existent replied by stupidissmart @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:06:16 +0800

stupidissmart — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:06:16 +0800

I don't see why they r related...

without doubts and how things happen,,, we would never have science...and we will never improve..so conclusion Flying spaghetti monster is science..

or cinderella is science

or shrek is science

or tooth fairy is science

questions abt GOD existent replied by Zarks @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:22:45 +0800

Zarks — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:22:45 +0800

without doubts and how things happen,,, we would never have science...and we will never improve..so conclusion God is science..

questions abt GOD existent replied by Deino @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:04:38 +0800

Deino — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:04:38 +0800

Originally posted by stupidissmart:

Nothing is certain. Only % likelihood. If god suddenly appeared and prove himself without a doubt, trust me I will become a fanatic believer immediately. However no such things happen, no sign and evidence, so many myths and folktales of how world come about tat logically it is not believable.

yesh thats why i said humans can not be 100% sure of everything....must always leave room for doubt

questions abt GOD existent replied by stupidissmart @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:58:24 +0800

stupidissmart — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:58:24 +0800

Nothing is certain. Only % likelihood. If god suddenly appeared and prove himself without a doubt, trust me I will become a fanatic believer immediately. However no such things happen, no sign and evidence, so many myths and folktales of how world come about tat logically it is not believable.

questions abt GOD existent replied by Deino @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:40:34 +0800

Deino — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:40:34 +0800

Originally posted by stupidissmart:

There is a confidence level in the things u believe in. If u talk about sciene like evolution, then the confidence level is 99.99 % If u talk about atomic structure or gravity, they r also within tat level of confidence. If u talk about adam and eve, the chances of it happening is probably 0.001% according to scientific understanding.

U have the right to decide on watever is the truth, but the recommendation is to follow the one tat is the mostly likely to be the truth.

Anyway watched 10,000 BC yesterday. There is NO dinosaur in the film. It is some ancient ostrich-like bird. The story reminds me of Moses though and probably how Moses come about :p

99.99.....there is always must be room for doubts......thats how a human should think

there is also the ancient astronaut theory etc......

questions abt GOD existent replied by stupidissmart @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:19:31 +0800

stupidissmart — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:19:31 +0800

didn't say theories are guesses......guesses are guesses and theories are theories.....

in the end, everything in this world are considered theories........theories are proven to the best of knowledge....but sometimes that best of knowledge is not good enough....its just like the laws of gravity which have been over the times been more understood better....thats why i said it is up to each individual.......

There is a confidence level in the things u believe in. If u talk about sciene like evolution, then the confidence level is 99.99 % If u talk about atomic structure or gravity, they r also within tat level of confidence. If u talk about adam and eve, the chances of it happening is probably 0.001% according to scientific understanding.

U have the right to decide on watever is the truth, but the recommendation is to follow the one tat is the mostly likely to be the truth.

Anyway watched 10,000 BC yesterday. There is NO dinosaur in the film. It is some ancient ostrich-like bird. The story reminds me of Moses though and probably how Moses come about :p

questions abt GOD existent replied by Deino @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:36:15 +0800

Deino — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:36:15 +0800

Originally posted by Renicifera:

Pls lah - they are just stories - -

Stories told by humans which may or may not be true - but if adam and eve is the first humans - then who tell the later humans the story ? diaoz -

Anyway - it's hard to human to know the actual existence of the world around us as - it's a world of uncertainity -

That's no right or wrong -

That's no purely Eastern thinking or purely Western thinking

Matter or Anti Matter

Chicken or Egg?

Mass Energy conservation - destroy mass get energy? energy create mass?

Mass attract one another ? who say one ? y?

Everything exists as a in between - thus there exists a balance -

Chaos theory ?

Man seeks for the truth, seeks for a comfort zone to ascertain himself, which him seeking to move to a side of extreme, it just creates more trouble for himself -

Why not seeks to believe in different things - create a balance and understand appreciate the world as complex as it is and not decide whether something is true or not -

if dunno - just say it is becoz of God - - -

there are two sides two everything....just like you say how many things in this world is not certain.....

i think that thinking that some stuffs happen becoz of god is ok in a way....but i think most of them think differently.....there are two sides to believing that stuffs happen becoz of god....one is merely believing it and one is believing it becoz he thinks that everything is a chain. becoz god created a certain matter, that matter becomes a tool for men, men kills people with that tool etc..........

the world really is full of uncertainty

questions abt GOD existent replied by Renicifera @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:27:38 +0800

Renicifera — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:27:38 +0800

Pls lah - they are just stories - -

Stories told by humans which may or may not be true - but if adam and eve is the first humans - then who tell the later humans the story ? diaoz -

Anyway - it's hard to human to know the actual existence of the world around us as - it's a world of uncertainity -

That's no right or wrong -

That's no purely Eastern thinking or purely Western thinking

Matter or Anti Matter

Chicken or Egg?

Mass Energy conservation - destroy mass get energy? energy create mass?

Mass attract one another ? who say one ? y?

Everything exists as a in between - thus there exists a balance -

Chaos theory ?

Man seeks for the truth, seeks for a comfort zone to ascertain himself, which him seeking to move to a side of extreme, it just creates more trouble for himself -

Why not seeks to believe in different things - create a balance and understand appreciate the world as complex as it is and not decide whether something is true or not -

if dunno - just say it is becoz of God - - -

questions abt GOD existent replied by seotiblizzard @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:10:32 +0800

seotiblizzard — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:10:32 +0800

Originally posted by LatecomerX:

Err. I'm curious about one thing. If Adam and Eve are the first and only humans back then, and we are said to be descendents of the couple, does it mean their children had committed incest before our existence is possible?

Precisely my point. Anyone can help us out? Like explain this?

questions abt GOD existent replied by Deino @ Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:09:13 +0800

Deino — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:09:13 +0800