Angry with SIM =(
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"High fees, more students, yet SIM stops refreshments. Why?"STOMPer Miss Anonymous says she wonders why the Singapore Management of Institutue (SIM) has stopped providing free refreshments even though its high fees and an increase in student enrolment suggest more income.
She said SIM although SIM charges expensive school fees, they had always provided reasonably quality refreshments.
According to her, the refreshments refer to food, such as tarts, bread, cakes that were previously offered by SIM, as well as tea and coffee during in between breaks offered to both students and lecturers of any lecture hall.
She said, "It has been, for many years, this way, providing refreshments so that students need not have to rush to the canteen (which during lunch time, is fully packed) to get their food, for just 15mins."
However, she said the school announced last month that the provision of refreshments would be stopped as "more students are coming to the institution and (the school) are unable to cope with the increase of students and providing them refreshments".
The STOMPer said:
"In this case, students assumed that more students means more cash inflows and meeting the increasing cash outflows, SIM should continue to provide refreshments.
"The FAQ that SIM gave was found in the student portal, but kept emphasizing the alternatives. alternatives were "providing reasonably priced food at the pushcarts.
"No adjustments were made and SIM management emphasized that it was provided free and they cannot cope.
"More students, more fees, more income.
"Students do not see the reason why SIM should stop providing refreshments.
"However, they felt more that SIM wanted to use the money that they saved on, for a new campus."
STOMP is contacting SIM for comment. -
lame
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haha alot of students not happy with this lor. =(
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must be damn gian those tarts and such...
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lol.KP over small food
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Originally posted by F.raon.I.R:
lol.KP over small food
u're a student in sim?
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people go to sch to study not to eat. universities are suppossed to engage in research and all this needs money.
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I think the refreshments were all the while a bonus that sim students enjoyed isn't it? it's not stated in the enrolment package did they?
black and white, it's not an entitlement. it's just a privillege. Have then good, don't have also can't do anything about it.
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That's right.
Universities should also provide fondue to their students.
How can students study well without fondue?
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Originally posted by bryanw:
people go to sch to study not to eat. universities are suppossed to engage in research and all this needs money.
hmm actually i'm not sure if sim engages in researches etc..
and again, are you from sim?
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this kind of ting is not supposed to be free in the first place wat.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
hmm actually i'm not sure if sim engages in researches etc..
and again, are you from sim?
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Originally posted by cuddles:
I think the refreshments were all the while a bonus that sim students enjoyed isn't it? it's not stated in the enrolment package did they?
black and white, it's not an entitlement. it's just a privillege. Have then good, don't have also can't do anything about it.
yeah, but there should be justification also?
one day govt says "no more pay rise for private and public sector"? same logic wat.
i'm not sure if raises are part of the entitlement of a job. but if it isn't, can you still shrug and give say that it's petty to be upset about it?
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She doesn't know what is inflation?
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Originally posted by bryanw:
nothen? talk so easy, don't have don't have lor, not as if you paid the fees mah. when you do so, you'll feel unhappy also
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Originally posted by FireIce:
this kind of ting is not supposed to be free in the first place wat.
yeah it isn't free. in a way, we paid for it already as part of the fees. the fees have already been set to cover certain costs, whether it's electicity bills, or refreshment etc..
we didn't just pay for the lessons, we paid for the facilities, and they were suppose to justify if the things they do not justify the fees.
example, if halfway through the lesson, they decided to cut off power, to save electricity bills, they can say "electricity is not an entitlement wat, it's a privilege" you can go study in the open area where there is sunlight" just as some of you are saying (coincidently, they don't pay the school fees nor study there)
talk is easy ya?
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Originally posted by Uncertain:
She doesn't know what is inflation?
haha maybe tt may be the reason, but i don't know, we're all unhappy about it also, especially without justification
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
yeah, but there should be justification also?
one day govt says "no more pay rise for private and public sector"? same logic wat.
i'm not sure if raises are part of the entitlement of a job. but if it isn't, can you still shrug and give say that it's petty to be upset about it?
I'm not saying it's petty to be upset about it.
if I paid school fees and the refreshments were part of the package, I'll be annoyed.
but if the enrolment terms didn't state anything of such, black and white they are not wrong.
It's just like those while stocks last terms. Just nice when u queued for 2 hours and the freebies are distributed finish.. :P
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
then? talk so easy, don't have don't have lor, not as if you paid the fees mah. when you do so, you'll feel unhappy also
making noise about it got what use. sim already announced that they will stop the refreshments. why dont go gather everybody write petition see what sim say? if not happy with sim over the stopping of refreshments, then just quit sim. very simple. -
different logic
i take it akin to Malaysia or Indonesia gahmen withdrawing fuel subsidies
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
yeah it isn't free. in a way, we paid for it already as part of the fees. the fees have already been set to cover certain costs, whether it's electicity bills, or refreshment etc..
we didn't just pay for the lessons, we paid for the facilities, and they were suppose to justify if the things they do not justify the fees.
example, if halfway through the lesson, they decided to cut off power, to save electricity bills, they can say "electricity is not an entitlement wat, it's a privilege" you can go study in the open area where there is sunlight" just as some of you are saying (coincidently, they don't pay the school fees nor study there)
talk is easy ya?
for crying out loud electricity is critical to the lectures while teabreak is not
how come suka suka can use this as analogy?
talk is cheap yah?
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Originally posted by cuddles:
I'm not saying it's petty to be upset about it.
if I paid school fees and the refreshments were part of the package, I'll be annoyed.
but if the enrolment terms didn't state anything of such, black and white they are not wrong.
It's just like those while stocks last terms. Just nice when u queued for 2 hours and the freebies are distributed finish.. :P
haha, obviously some of the posters here think that it's petty, and coincidently, they're demostrating that talk is certainly cheap, especially if they're not implicated by the decision.
it is not wrong, is politically right, but since our fees have definitely covered the cost of the refreshments, we would like to know why they have stopped it.
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Originally posted by laurence82:
for crying out loud electricity is critical to the lectures while teabreak is not
how come suka suka can use this as analogy?
talk is cheap yah?
analogy very subjective.. I think electricity those kind of basic things I think let people know also don't need the students get angry.. the parents will get angrier!
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
haha, obviously some of the posters here think that it's petty, and coincidently, they're demostrating that talk is certainly cheap, especially if they're not implicated by the decision.
it is not wrong, is politically right, but since our fees have definitely covered the cost of the refreshments, we would like to know why they have stopped it.
i think you are the one demonstrating cheap talkjust like the stompers who only know how to complain and post pics online
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Originally posted by laurence82:
for crying out loud electricity is critical to the lectures while teabreak is not
how come suka suka can use this as analogy?
talk is cheap yah?
but the point is, the cost of the refreshment is logically covered by our fees, so if they cut off the refreshment, where is the money going to?
i used this as an analogy to argue the fact that, the issue cannot be simply shrugged off and ignored and swept under the carpet just because it isn't labelled black and white on paper, as argued by some posters.
