went to outfield recently in lim chu kang forest... saw many cemetery on the way to my camp. during outfield training... was hoping to see some ghost.. but alas... i can feel only the stupid weight of the machine gun shagging me out.

 

looks like i will never get to see any ghost liao....

 

 

Originally posted by 24/7:

 

I am of the view that God allowed all things to happen, but the question is not “Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people” but rather, “Why would a good God allow bad people to live?”. In fact, is there anyone "good" to begin with?

If you have read this far, including the bible verses, take a look at this.

hi, i clicked onto the link...

 

some funny statments found

"God uses even the most wicked and evil exploits of this world to bring about His glory and divine purposes. That is what is so awesome about God. Only He can take the most wicked, evil, and self-serving intentions and make good come out of them"

 

"

Rather, God created man in His image with the freedom to choose. With this freedom came the opportunity to rebel against Him. Man did rebel ( Genesis 3 ), and the rest is history. The annals of human history chronicle how God uses everything -- even the chaos of this world -- to bring about His glory and purposes. Those purposes include our growth in becoming more Christlike.

What's the point of Isaiah 45:7? God reveals His almighty and awesome character to us so we can relax with the confidence that comes from knowing, even in the most dark, desperate, and discouraging times in our lives, God is up to something good for us all the time."

 

This kind of reasoning can also be qualified to be called reasoning. wth.

 

If God exist, he must be suffering from hallucinations with the kind of logic he is implenmenting.

 

My questions to believers are this

"why do you all believe in what the books says"

"is the god of your this book the same god found in all other books?"

can you accept a manager, or a parent who get credit for all the good things happening to the staff or child but when the child or the staff met with an accident, the parent or manager is not responsible because

 

"they are not obligated to save or protect them"

Originally posted by Chin Eng:

 

get a big box, put inside it hundreds of LEGO bricks, shake it a million times (or more if  you feel like it) see if you can come up with something you can make out, a car, a house, an animal etc. sure some bricks will click together, but will they form a model of a house.....

whatever happened in that stampede shows the stupidity of herds, it has nothing to do with God whatsoever.

and by the way, God is not obligated to get his believers out of trouble. We all need to bear the consequences of the choices we make.

i will counter this argument. Your argument is errornous. Our house is built first by early cavemen and later modified and improved with new knowledge.

 

Nobody says universe and our things in modern life is a lego box with million of things at first and after shaking, these things pop out. As you can see , our the things in the universe has a history of how they have evolved.

 

You analogy is misleading and also unreasonable in comparing with universe.

 

secondly, if god is not obligated to save his believers, then that ,means that being a believer cannot ensure safety of oneself.

i will come up with this statment contradiction.

 

When people manage to survive an accident, they can attribute it to god and say that he saves them.

When people failed to survive, you then say the god is not obligated to save them. Isn't there some kind of favortism reasoning down here. god get credited if people survives but he is not responsible when people dies.

 

In the name of fear and coward, they chose to rather sacrifice reason, something which their sense of identity is fundamentally built on, but which their could not fully embrace wholeheartedly because they have succumbed to the fear that god may just exist, along with hell waiting for them. haha..

Originally posted by the Bear:

if there is a God whom he has condemned, then... i kinda pity him after he dies

this sentence is very intimitating indeed. it is very good at bringing out the fear in people and make them remain as passive atheists.

 

but i shall not let my fear overcome me. instead i have a word of him. i really pity those people and you who choose not to lambast the idea of god existence simply because they fear of meeting him in case he really exists and the wrath they may face from him.

 

these people are then truly pitiful because they chose cowardice over valor.

Originally posted by whiskers:

Hmm... no matter what religion you believe in or dun believe in, you have to come into terms with the fact that the universe did at one point did appear out of nothing... Same as ur gods, there mus be a precursor of god, therefore something must come from nothing, and it cant be explained away using God. Even for a cyclic universe, where time is a cycle instead of a straight line, there has to be a point where everything is initiated.

I guess this is the ultimate answer to be answered, how did we get from nothing to something.

actually.. i was thinking about this question and so called paradox of few of this questions recently.. and i have mostly solved it ... what i mean is that i have solved the paradox and its not that i know what is the beginning of time or universe.

 

however, i shall not reveal the insights for private reasons. there is nothing illogical at all, although humans seems to find that there is a illogical point about nothing to something.

 

all i can say its that the problem lies in human logic. the logic is wrong. well, you all can read up on logical fallacy. it will give you some hints.

Originally posted by RedizAlertz:

They died is bcos of the human traffic flow is not good enuf.  It does not mean any fault of GOD or it's Worshippers.  Tho im an Athestic myself, ur topic title is really offensive.

thanks for your counter argument.. as a atheist myself... i pride myself as a man of reason. reason, has the characteristic of self correcting ability, unlike faith.

 

to further analysis your argument...

ya.. they died mainly because of poor traffic control and also their fervant religion. if they are not so desperate to pray to god, then this accident would have been avoided...

 

so its partly their fault and also the organiser fault. we all know the advice of dun-be-greedy and have-common sense... in this case.. these people really are stupid in a sense...

 

however. i know that its not their fault that they are ignorant or stupid. they are likely to be living in poor villages so their brain are not so smart. i dun laugh at them... although i admit my title seems to be laughing at them( see?? the feature of self correcting and admitting mistakes is at work)

 

the point is this. there is no god. if you want to be safe and sound in life, you need knowledge. if you want to be healthy , you need to have health knowledge and practise them. There is no god to help you. only you can help yourself.

 

if you want to be safe and sound, then you must have the knoweldge that such situation of overcrowdedness is dangerous. this knowledge, not god, is the key to ensure that will be safer in life.

Originally posted by RedizAlertz:

They died is bcos of the human traffic flow is not good enuf.  It does not mean any fault of GOD or it's Worshippers.  Tho im an Athestic myself, ur topic title is really offensive.

thanks for your counter argument.. as a atheist myself... i pride myself as a man of reason. reason, has the characteristic of self correcting ability, unlike faith.

 

to further analysis your argument...

ya.. they died mainly because of poor traffic control and also their fervant religion. if they are not so desperate to pray to god, then this accident would have been avoided...

 

so its partly their fault and also the organiser fault. we all know the advice of dun-be-greedy and have-common sense... in this case.. these people really are stupid in a sense...

 

however. i know that its not their fault that they are ignorant or stupid. they are likely to be living in poor villages so their brain are not so smart. i dun laugh at them... although i admit my title seems to be laughing at them( see?? the feature of self correcting and admitting mistakes is at work)

 

the point is this. there is no god. if you want to be safe and sound in life, you need knowledge. if you want to be healthy , you need to have health knowledge and practise them. There is no god to help you. only you can help yourself.

 

if you want to be safe and sound, then you must have the knoweldge that such situation of overcrowdedness is dangerous. this knowledge, not god, is the key to ensure that will be safer in life.

offensive?? aiyah.,, nowadays must write abit offensive then can attract attention mah...

 

anyway.. the word stupid is very mild form of criticism liao... frankly speaking.. many of these people are poor... they are not well educated some more... so its is unavoidable that they believe in religion given their circumstances...

 

i just want to tell people that even when you are worshipping god like these people going up the hill asking for safety.. you may instead end up being killed in the process. such ironic case is suffice to tell people that god , if exist, is someone who does not ensure the safety of humans...

aiyah.. the guy is one of the many idiotic rascals in singapore as well as the whole world...

 

expect many of these rascals to come lah, all got the arrogant show off attitude...

in pyschology... all these are called egoistic problems... need to feel proud by showing off and acting cool....

the girl... also should wear seat belt... the guy.. hope he go to jail for longer time..

 

all i can say about this issue and the guy is... life contains quite many cheebye people

religion really numbs the brain.. oh my gosh..

Ironic

Punjab's chief minister, Parkash Singh Badal, announced the next of kin of the dead would receive 100,000 rupees (2,400 dollars) in compensation.

Temple crushes are common during festivities in India, where crowd control management is often rudimentary at best.

Despite the huge loss of life, officials said the pilgrimage was continuing only hours after the corpses were cleared.

frankly speaking.... on hindsight i think it is the

organsier fault

the believers are also stupid because they should have forgo worshipping if they see so many people cramming like sardines along the narrow pathway.

 

but it shows you one thing.. god cannot protect you..

Up to 150 dead in India temple stampede

 

As many as 150 Hindu worshippers, many of them women, children and the elderly, were crushed to death Sunday in a stampede at a hill temple in northern India, police said.

Tens of thousands of pilgrims were thronging the Naina Devi temple in the hill state of Himachal Pradesh when rumours of a landslide caused by heavy rains sparked a colossal rush down a narrow, fenced-in stairway.

"A lot of the dead are women and children and elderly people. People thought there would be a landslide and the stampede started, and that was when people were crushed to death," a local police spokesman said.

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/364720/1/.html

to clarify, i think straits times put zodiac sign prediction once a week on sunday.

take for example, the straits times... why does it put the zodiac signs predictions in its newspaper...

 

one of straits times principle would be to report truth .however, it is also known that many people. at least a substantial amount, like to read the zodiac predictions. Therefore, there is a clash of interest between selling papers vs reporting truth.

 

Zodiax predictions are just that, nonsense and falsehoodness. However, in the face of economics, media press often have to relax their principles and cut corner to achieve profits.

by the way, i read that if one travel faster and faster, his time becomes slower for him. this theory, states that actually, spacetime is a together entity just like eletromagnetic.

 

when we dun move in space, being stationary, our motion in time is 100 percent... if we move lets say in fast speed, we will experience time slower.. but out speed in daily life does not reduce our time differences alot...

 

if you move in speed of light, you will not move in time at all.. cos you have use all the spacetime motion for space.

 

This theory is real.. though i have not relaly grapsed it alot. its found in the book called fabric of the cosmo...

 

the author is bloody physics professor in US who have graced HARvard, Cornell and columbia university.

i dunno what u mean by metaphysics answer... actually the answer to the beginning of universe is not really out yet...

 

to general public, they want a simple answer...a simple concept..

 

but in quantum physics or comsology, the question is a physics question, with mathematics thrown in it like dimensions....

firstly, they have generally found 11 dimensions... not some nonsense down here.. in reality in physics..

 

Our 4 dimension we experience is smaller world. additional dimensions, however, is not the the supernatural realms which non scientists like to hijack and attach to superconsciousness, ghost and heavens.

 

SO called addition dimensions can be descirbed and talked about by scientists in physical formula, and maths proving here and there and using current physics concepts.

 

anyway, beginning of universe can be understood if one studies in this field and they are still tracing the puzzle backward to find more and more... about the fabric of space, time and reality

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology_(physics)

 

i found this stuff which is relevant to the question of beginning of the universe.

atheists .. they are not like religious people... religious people seem very good at forming assoications and meeting up regularly and creating events....

 

atheists basically just believe there is no god or ghost..we humans just evolve and earth is a super small thing in universe that is likely to dissappear or get burn off some billions or millions years later.

 

there is really no strong motivation for atheists to meet because there is no strong cause... and i guess atheists are generally intellectuals who are lazy

 

secondly... there atheism is minority issue in singapore as compared to religious groups... there is a perceived potential threat to religion and hence atheist would rather remained mum about being too expressive. HAHA.. cos govt always say be religious sensitive...

 

imagine atheist speaking on national television that there is no god ... it would probably lead to public outcry ....

 

Lastly.. perhaps atheist would form assoications only when they settle their own bread and butter issue first... as the saying goes...

"no money no talking"

 

I believe most atheists are earning money religiously now... haha....

geroge carlin once said....

" i was a christian until i reach the age of reason"

 

anyway..... ghost festival is coming... i am probably going to be harassed, possessed or killed by them.. yeh!!

 

about 4 months since i ask ghost to possess me

 

BTW: I would like to pay tribute to randy pausch.... professor who died on 25 july... farewell...

Originally posted by ivebeenhad:

hello january, i am a partial aetist. i have some questions, who do you think created the universe? the begining of time, the big bang all that, i believe it happened but i just cant justify how matter can spontaneously appear from nothing. I would asume that you have done extensive reading on these subjects and would apreciate your reply. cheers.

 

 

hello baby... at least a thread down here where i can answer something instead of arguing.

 

Seriously, why dun you read up on quantum physics, and astronomy physics. Those physicists talks about existence, matter and time in a professional way unlike we general public, aka the laymen.

 

sentences like "how can something appear from nothing" is a laymen logic which i have gone through myself last time when i am thinking of such questions.... Basically, from my little knowledge, the 2 word ... 'something' and 'nothing' are english words that is not so useful when we talk about physics....

 

big bang is a very smal big, before which could be some situations. one situation is that our universe are born from another universe, you gotta to read more about this thing, through the big bang. and big band are actually common stuff in multi universe.

 

Point is this. I will refrain from saying ' this is beyond the scope of human understanding ' . i will encourage people to continue discussing. OKay. First, you have to read about one thing. which is called anti-matter... it has been found that anti matter is much more than matter in our universe, so such stuff actually is more detailed than our concept of something and nothing.

 

Is vaccum nothing? such is the question you have to ask, think and research. Some people will delve into saying that everything is form from energy. However, even if it is the case, there are actually many detailed scientific analysis. oh ya... some say that energy creates the 'something' which you mention. any way .. there is much science behind all these theories...

 

Philosophy will lead you to question like.. what is before big bang then.. or the thing that causes big bang.... it leads to a situation called infinite regression.. which is a logic issue.

 

Personally, I have some knwoledge of what is the answer of this questions... or what is error in the way human understand certain english words... but i will stop here. good luck on your journey of intelligence.

this leads me to a question

 

does lhl practise any religious stuff like reading from religious books and saying prayer....

 

if he does.. i hope he can give me his job... cos i think i will run the country better.

personally.. i would not want my country leaders to read passages from religious source and while being responsible for goverment policies and issues....

 

its crazy... i dun think this will have a detrimental effect on te country... as least in the long run.