Originally posted by HENG@:

oh i don't want or need it. its for u guys to convince people u're not cheats,. i myself would only be too happy for u to provide nothing and prove that u are all cheats. So no cert? Not my problem. The willing gets hooked. The rest can see what the truth is.

the empty talk so far is all coming from the mlmers. when they have to provide something as simple as a cert number, nobody can come up with anything. if this ain't empty talk, then what is? ladies n gents, there u have it. 'nuff said. and if u want to say something, i suggest it better be intelligent instead of more empty claims.

SEriously, U are like a lawyer trying to prove that the accused is not guilty and telling the judge, If U so interested to noe y he is not guilty, go get the evidences urself -.-""

U stated u urself would not be too happy to provide nth, is tat the reason or izit becoz U cant prove anything? No cert? den lemme gif u a way out. Call 999 now report the cert at lv5 is fake. Tat should be enuff to get Raymond Lim into lots of years in jail? But pls lemme remind u, making fake reports in singapore is an offence as well
talking about empty claims, have u seen the cert? have u checked the cert? If not, then y are u saying the cert is 100% fake? By ur own instincts? Haha, and btw, U're not very much of being "intelligent" to me

sorry for coming back and replying so late. Pretty bz recently.

Heng, u wan ISO cert, go get it from carpenter Street company 5th floor and stop bugging us acting like an idiot. Comments are free anyway, I can always claim to be CEO of SIA here, who knows, who cares.

Since no1 here, after so much of flaming can give concrete evidence of ENY scamming or cheating people, I suppose that would be just plain empty talk. Unless some1 can prove me wrong otherwise.

Yes many people have left, they left not because the company cheats people isn't it? They left because they personally don't like how the company works? Weak, how often do U see people doing things that they like? They earned a huge sum, realised they don't like doing it or tink they are too good for tis job now hence they leave? Presumption of reasons why they leave and not coz of company cheat people

Furthermore, there are people ard who can prove the claimed 5-figure income, what makes you tink they are cheating? U CANT DO IT DOESNT MEAN OTHERS CANT! Don be a fugger. 1 word for people who cant do it and claim them cheating (and u noe it urself), WEAK. For those who have done it and still decided to leave, I respect you for ur preservance in company although I have no idea why u choose to leave.

Last but not least, Hi there NEMY and catbyte.

A word of advice for people ard, in this world, when there are good people, there will be bad people as there will be comparison. As such, when there are people who can make it, there will be those who don't. No way am i implying it's easy, nth is free in tis world anyway, but there are people who did. I believe most of the people here are those whu don't make it I still wan to highlight this phrase, "Comments are free!"

Thanks and sorry for long post again^^ Writing's my hobby lol

Originally posted by bestbuddies:

hi dranoel, if you only there for a while, then how much you know abt AMH? Do you mean you are smarter than Ng Kim Leng, Lim Boon Hong and group and all the early pioneer of AM marketing? Maybe i am very junior in this trade, it will be great if you can enlighten me what you know abt NETWORK MARKETING and AMH/ENYOUTH.

how much i noe abt AMH... erm not alot i guess. I was in AMH 1yr+ ago when it was at eunos, left, and joined recently. Obviously i wun claim to be smarter than those mentioned, neither claim to be more stupid as I don noe them personally. Regarding enlightening, I dont feel like Im in such a position to but however, I would be willing to share my experiences for Networking as well as ENY if you are interested ^^

thanks jojoma for ur advice sincerely. perhaps im still new. However, never try, never noe right? Life is bound to have failures, only after failures will we den can taste success isnt tat right?

The reason why i join ENY is becoz I wan to learn, im taking a bit dip presently and I find watever i learn in ENY is interesting and related to my course of study. No doubts i have dreams of earning big bucks, to start my own business. But presently im still fairly contented with what im getting.

But sincerely, thanks coz i felt your care ^^

Originally posted by jojoma:

will strongly suggest that you go and attend all the companies locally and then observe fairly.. see the difference,etc,etc.. If u compare with Enyouth as the std, then.. u will see nothing.

u r still young & seen too many in ur age with the same attitude then in AMH. u r just walking in the same direction.

As alike, some parents give huge incentives, some school does, whereas others don't. I admit I'm still young but hopefully old enuff to know about what I'm doing. However, thanks for your advice.

i wun pretend to be an expert in terms of branding as i don proficient in marketing, tats y i ask u guys to read out of a book. But for as wat i noe, astral mag holdings isnt even a brand name, whereas enyouth singapore is.
therefore, i wun consider myself a Mr-Know-It all as there are things which i don't know.

If you claimed to have been working in astral mag for years, can i ask for how many years? Whats ur reason for leaving? Boss never pay u money? Or izit becoz a goup of you decided you all had learnt enough and went out to open your own networking company? erm...interesting uh?

Lastly, since when did I mention in all of my post that i was in the company? but anyway, yes i am, but not for a very long time. As such even a newcomer like be can understand the above stated facts, I believe you would do a better job of it.

aiya 4get add tis as well:

those ceremonies aren't there for show-offs, you guys give me the conception of sour grapes anyway. Those prize giving are to encourage those in ENY to strive for the better and as a way or rewarding them if they do exceptionally well.

At home when you are young do ur parents give u a reward in order to make u strive for better? In school do they give you vouchers and etc if you do well in exams? If yes y dont you say they are showing off as well? This is known as the positive reinforcement theory in pyschology (as again, pick up a pys book and find wat is it if u wanna noe more).

Thanks for reading and sorry for long post ^^

and Oh ya, i 4get to reply to the question y it changed from AStral Mag to Enyouth Singapore.

The true reason behind the name change is branding. If you have no idea what the hell branding is, juz pick up any marketing book, turn to the index and locate branding.

for those who are flaming "RUN" pls answer the following qns
Have u been working in EnYouth before?
If not, how can u defind them as scammers? Is it becoz ur fren say so? Den did ur fren work in ENY before? Or they fren told dem?

If u did work in ENY, wat position did you held? How many days have you been to company? How did the company scam people? They didnt pay you? They receive money but never give goods to customer?

The products are certified by NUS report to be true. The system accquired ISO 9001: 2000. The company is protected by DSAS, Direct Selling Association of Singapore (awarded by government). How is this scam?

If you guys think mlm (and btw if u include ENY in mlm, tat means you don even understand how things work as ENY is a SLM, single- level marketing company) is immoral, have u guys realised that all of us are doing mlm everyday? You watch a movie, tell ur frenz its nice, ask them go watch, izit tat network marketing? In ENY, you try a product (which is 100% optional), and if its good, u tell ur relatives and frenz its good, buy or not is another matter.

If you discredit the questionablity of the product, may i ask are you a certified doctor or a scientist? Wat makes you so sure that the product is fake or out to con others? You used it? isit from ENY or other companies? If not, pls mind your words and stop acting like Mr-Know-Everything to discredit others

Flaming is easy on the net, you don't have to be responsible for your words but as i believe people here are educated and responsible, i wish to express my plead for the stop on these unfounded discrediting.

Any futhers queries can be addressed to me, will be willing to help out.

Last but not least, in everythin we do, there are people who make it, there are people who don't. In exams, people get A's and people get Fails. If you wan to get a A, you would obviously ask those people who got A's and how did they did it? Would an idiot go ask a failure? Same case there, no doubts there are people who don't make it, they failed only because they either give up or didnt put in efforts. Thus, they began enjoying defaming the company for scamming and such. Lets face it, man always put the blame on surrounding and never reflect on what they did. No efforts = no gain, isn't that right?

Stop feeling skeptical and negative about ENY or networking as even the government is promoting it now. The world still turns without you. u can stand there 20years not turning with the world, come out of it to realise it changed alot without ur knowing. Anyway, juz giving an advice as defamation is against the law of tort in singapore. Your future is urs, nothin to do with me ^^

GL HF!