Originally posted by Acx1688:

i clear leave lah, bac on mon... got pix of LA, San Francisco buses... mostly run on CNG or Electricity... SF buses have EZ link machine same as ours...

yes they use ERG also.  (OT)

 

Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:

Can we stop the arguement for "keep the ball rolling". yes, one of us had make the mistake, one correction is enough, and the party whom had make the mistake, admit it and not make the same mistake again, or else this thread would be a flamming thread instead.

Guys, i think we need to restrain ourselves from making childish remarks about just plain english and if we had any doubts to clarify, just PM him/her to make things clear.

i forsee the forum being a deserted place if flamming keep on going anf no people would mind to post useful stuffs such as cameos in the future.

Regards. if you do not agree on my post, DO NOT add on, just PM me and we would settle it among ourselves such as MSN

uh huh pls PM and settle amongst urselves. we no need to see such things ard in forum

 

the artcile implied that the ECU was a technology marvel invented in the 1970s . i always had the impression thhey were a mid 90s invention. hahaha. Well it just means our dear LAs had ECUs...

 

ZYX

 

yep u shd go learn about this.

btw i din mention

 

where to find the VIN

the VIN is usually located at the front of the bus. look for it at the front door entrance, or aove the dirver on some compartment or bbehind the driver seat or at the seat right behind the driver 9for local bus builders of coaches)

The VIN can also be found on bus engine but thats not accesible to you. it is also tagged onto the chassis as well. again not seen by us.

with the VIN in hand, databases will reveal whhat bus it is and which companies have used the bus or bbus was second ahnd from where.

 

This form of knwledge is usful to vintage bus fans who wish to trace the orgins of a old bus that they have interest on (this is a very European bus enthusaist idea)

in the local context, local bus fan s here have traced the  origins of the Sentosa Doeuvle Deck Lo2x to british co XXX (i dunno lah)  using this method of VIN record finding.

 

VIN

Just like any other vehciel, a bus has its own ID. this is the INTERNATIONL vehicle identification number.

A  string of letters and numbers. the numbera and letters give the "IC" no of the bus.

A VIN is uniqie to the bus and no other bus in the world have the same VIN. its like a DNA or fingerprint.

Bus enthusaists use the VIN to identify a bus if all other looking n er seeing methods fails.There are VIN tables n records online easily on the web accessible to bus enthusaists to identify buses.

Local bus enthusiasts will keep records of the buses and their VINs.

here is a roough guide how to decipher a VIN

example- japan bus

VIN type
chassis - engine
TIB 1248 D -
U31R03684 engine PE6115048H

this a chassis and engine number type VIN, as u can see its just the bus model and then the engine number made by this Nissan Diesel. this form of VIN is not the universal VIn format used.another look around the bus and u should find the universal VIN type. However this type of VIN is sometimes enough to identify the bus in very local context like Japan.

Vin Type
universal 16 chracter type

this one is more in line with the ideas of a unique identification for a bus anywhere in the world.

SFD111AR2YGT21088

thats the VIn for SBS9685R. its a Dennis trident

the first letter generally denotes country. here the S prob stands for UK.
The next few letters and digits denote the bus brand n model type in form of  VIN mode. here the D stands for Dennis.
the middle letters like AR2YGT are prob engine and then batch designations
the last 4 digits are the number of the chassis mde. here this is the 1088th chassis of the Dennis trident bus type.

SBS 296P
WDB35700521060926

W is for germany. thats a merc VIN.

YS2K4X20001857474
and thats the VIN of SBS8037 a scania K230UB

YS4NC4X2B01815956

yup a scania N113CRB
its SBS32J

Y is sweden the 4X2 keeps repating yeh? its 4 by 2 axle type scania. They sue the 4 by 2 axle characterisation for the Scania bus VIN.

ZYX

Source - i wrote this from scratch using my own knowledge i have and my own experinces

How a bus is made (Analysis and applications of knowledge by the bus fan)

So we know roughly the stages of assembing a bus and how some varaitations can be made. lets view the variations

Chassis -> intergral bodywork - shipped CBU to Singapore
Chassis - Ship to Spain build body - Ship CBU to Singapore 9this is for the SMRT mercs)
Chassis -+United ingdom body builder (Alexander) - Ship all parts CKD to SBS > SBS build the bus bodyworkat SBS building plant .
Chassis -> ship CKD ->  Australia Volgren bus builder in Sydney - build in volgren CR224L - drive/ ship bus to brisbane for local bus operator

As you can see, different countrys have different ways to build their bus.

Applying the info
We now know that buses can be built by local bus bodybuilders. That creates a problem . These builders like Volgren can use the same desgins on other makes of bus. for example, We can have a mercedes benz OC500LE built in volgren Cr228L in brisbane and worse is thier MAN 18.310 also uses volgren CR228L. Essentially both bus look alike. So how are we to tell them apart by looking at the bus from ar.

nearly impossible.

its like you go japan, u know ahh Hino, isuzu mitshubishis are the norm there..but u land there u see all the buses look alike all in their Japanese NSK bodyworks...bummer man. heck its even possible a neoplan was built in NSK and u wun know for sure.

So how how how?

Dun worry. As mentioned is only bodywork, u forgot about chassis. the bus chassis parts are now the parts u want to look at. ut first, the bus should have make and model badging.

check....

what? see none. tough luck. no badging was put by the bus bodybuilder.

No worries.

Creep up to the bus (lol). have a look at the engine grilles. can tell? still cannot?  Creep closer...

Ok have a cursory glance at the dash. because the bus makers make the dash in universal desgins this is the best way to identify a bus. The knowledged bus fna are able to tell main European dash designs apart just by a quick glance at the dash. Of coruse a look at the middle of the steering wheel where the maker's badge is will always be the lst resort if cannot identify still.

For exmaple: one fin day i saw this coach at transtar. The good bus expert bside me had a quick look at the rims and decided it was a Scania. since my eyes really suck and i have no ideas on rims... I did the creep to bus thing. glanced at the dash. its a Scania 4th series bus. So an educated guess will put the coach to be a K124EB coach .

Source - i wrote this from scratch using my own knowledge i have and my own experinces

 

How a bus is made (bodywork)

Integral bodywork

We deal with the integral bodywork types first. Integral bodywork means buses bodywork that have their bodies built up at the makers plant. Integral bodywork are usually built up from the chassis immediately after the chassis is done using blueprints drawn up by the bus maker themselves.

Bus body - windows , doors, walls, roof. aiir-con pod, CNG pod.... not chassis parts kind of bus parts.

Bus maker - Mercedes benz, volvo, Scania who build bus chassis for their brands of bus.

A bus operator can specify if it wants the bus maker to continue building the bus bodywork using their "integrated product line" or have the chassis shipped locally and built by a local bus bodybuiler.

For exmaple: MAN AG has their own line of bus intergral product. famously known as the MAN Lion's City. o everything is done up at the makers plant nd the bus is shipped CBU to country S for bus operator say ZYXbus.

The term CBU means Completely built up. it means the bus is shipped over to bus operator fully built .

Bus bodywork

Certainly to save costs,bbus operators tend to ship their chassis to their local countys / country to build the bus using a Bus bodywork builder company. One example for Singapore is our dear Soon Chow.

In this case, the chassis and some other parts of the bus will be shipped CKD - Completely knocked down - over to Singapore for bus bodybuilders  Soon Chow to build up the bus bodywork. Sometimes the chasis is cut short for easier shipping as in the case for a Scania k230UB chassis whereby a 2m section middle section is not connected yet to chassis During the bodywork assembly process the bodywok builder 9erm gemilang) will have to attach the chassis part to the shortened chassi THEN build  the bus body.

 

How a bus is made (Chassis)

In this review article , we will learn how a bus is constructed from scracth, ore about the bus industry and later apply what we know to our hobby

The construction of a bus can be divided into two stages. Chassis building and body building. I shall concentrate on citybus examples and explanations. In this section, we deal with chassis.

Chassis
Purely in the bus industry, they build the chassis, the skeletal strcuture of the bus base. the dash with steering (and usually the driver's seat), gearbox and engine are them assembbled up on this chassis "pkatform". Natrually drive shaft and air suspension etc systems are fitted as well. the chassis cna be driven by itself as a workabble peice of machinery. You may have seen delivery of bus chassis in Singapore with people literaly driving the bare skeletal things around to depot for deliveries.

Therefore Chassis (bus industry) is defined as the bus skeletal strcuture along with he dash and gearbox etc

A chassis is fitted at a bus maker's plant. For example at a MAN AG germany plant for the MAN bus .using universal modular parts as accordance to MAN's bbus models and specs, chassis are built. therefore one cna identify a bus just by looking at chassis parts. for bus fans, this usualy mean the dash. likewise the gearbox a universal component can be identified at dash. Sometimes even the engine compartment at rear of bus cna give clues to what mmodel a bus is. For example the Lyeland Atleantan enngine  compartmen is a uuniversal design and is part of the chassis aseembly process.

However, when identifying a bus, the bus fan should not in any way decide what a bus is by looking at it from outside. This is because the bus bodywork is what u see and not the chassis parts.

In the next section we entail how the bus is built from the chassis by building up the bodywork.

 

Source - i wrote this from scracth using my own knowledge i have and my own experinces

Acronyms we normally use

Bus Models

Bendy : Normally refers to Mercedes-Benz O405G series of chassis of SMRTbuses
Bubble : Normally refers to Volvo B10BLE series of chassis
Elbo : Only refers to Scania L113CRL buses with ELBO bodywork.
LO2X : Leyland Olympian 2-axle
LO3X : Leyland Olympian 3-axle
LUB : Normally refers to the Scania L94UB series of chassis
Merz : Normally refers to Mercedes-Benz O405 series of chassis
Strider : Normally refers to Mk IV Volvo B10Ms of SBS Transit or Scania L113CRLs of SMRTBus. Is the bodywork moel by Alxeander then. Very common UK bodywork.
VO2X : 2-axle Volvo Olympian
VO3X : 3-axle Volvo Olympian
VSO : Volvo Super Olympian (Volvo b10TL Superbus)

General

Rego: Registration Number of the bus ( eg SBS 9818A / TIB 791H] (proounced: reh-geoh)
Desto : Destination Plate of the Bus ( 190 New Bridge Rd / 80 Sengkang ) Also cna use to refer to a EDS desto.
Cameo : Only applicable to Singapore bus spotting styles:- Buses permanent on a service but doing another service temporarily. usually a one-day special.
EDS : Electric Destination Sign ( used on SMRTBus and some SBS Transit buses )
SMRTB : SMRT Buses Ltd
SMRT : Any SMRT Company, mainly referring to SMRT Trains.
SBST : SBS Transit Ltd
WAB: Wheelchair Accessible Bus
PIW: Person in Hweelchair
CNG: Compressed natural gas vehicle

Depots

SMRT Buses Ltd
AMDEP : Ang Mo Kio Depot
KJDEP : Kranji Depot
WLDEP : Woodlands Depot
GKDEP : Geylang Depot
YIBP : Yishun Interchange Bus Park (overnight parking)

SBS Transit Ltd
BRAM : Braddell-Ang Mo Kio Bus Park ( SBS Transit HQ ). ormerly known as TP (Toa payoh depot)
AMDEP : Ang Mo Kio Depot
HGDEP : Hougang Depot
BNDEP : Bedok North Depot (there was once a Bedok (BEDEP) depot. hence a North to diffrentiate bet the two)
BBDEP : Bukit Batok Depot
SLBP : Soon Lee Bus Park
ARBP : Ayer Rajah Bus Park

Original post by Yusry - updated by ZYX in 2008 Oct

ZYX

SCANIA BUS MODEL CODES

some of us seem confused over this, so guess its time to clarify

There are 5 generations (the word series can also be used) of Scania bus models

currently in aug 2007 , Scannia released the 5th generation. the very familair N113CRB are 3rd generation Scanias. bellow is a exmaple list

First generation: umm i dun have an example..lol
Second generation: Scania BR112DH - East lancs bodywork = SBS7000 NDD under SBS then.
Third generation: Scania N113CRB - these we are familair with.
Scania L113CRL - SMRT Scanias
Fourth generation - Scania L94UB - volgren CR221L SBS2888T
5th generation : Scania K230UB

note that 5th series you do not see the 5 in the model code. this is due to the fasct that Scania switched to a new format in 2007. However, if u are happy with saying K95UB, its no problem among us.

old format:-(1st to 4th series)
First letter - N K L - denotes how engine is placed (Swedish words)
K is rear engine
N is transverse rear engine
L is tilt rear engine
F is front engine
the one or two digit after the first letter is litre size of engine followed by series
eg: L93CRL is a 9 litre 3rd series bus (um a malayisan citybus btw)

last three letters
well L stands for low flloor, the rest are Swedish words i dun understand.
I guess the B stands for bus lest the same chassis can be used for a Scnaia truck.
U stands for urban
D stands for Double Decker
A articulated bus

nearer to the end of the 4 series, Scania put horsepower rating badges on their buses.

 

Example: malaysina coach have thhis 360 at rear meaning the bus is a 360HP rated bus.

The 5th series was launched and Scania decided to ue HP rating in part of its chassis n moel coodes. Following the likes of MAN bus.

The fifth series retaind the first letter codings but replaced the rest of the numbers with HP ratings. the rear letters remain the same type.

Example: Scania K230UB - rear engine (K) - 230HP rating - Urban Bus

Green fuels scania
Scania too produce buses with CN fuel or other alternative fuel like Ethanol electric fuel drive.

these will start with a C where C initially stands for CNG
eg: CN94UA (thats another bendybus model in korea besides the Iveco ones which u have seen pix of)
eg; CN310UD (Ethanol electric fuel double deck scania in UK)

DO NOT think CN means part of he word CNG. it is not. the seocnd letter is still engine placement. it is only because so far all alternaitve fuel models they have to place the engine in the transverse positions which is N in code..

Hope this clears up some misunderstandings on Scania bus

Soruce - Windy's old post..somewhere and my own understanding of the bus industry
ZYX

share some bus info here

 

sort of ike a mannual or reference section for bus fans and other folks..

Korea - Final parting shots


train crosing in Seoul


best snooker / pool  bar in Korea  located on 3rd floor of a building____lol

Korean Air = Pepsi drink ___lol

2 Daewoo korean airport apron bsues


Korean Air on TV

Coming up soon___
KL pix

ZYX korea 2006 May

continued...

Daewoo WAB with CNG fuel on Svc 300

This is the wheelchair ramp. a slide out model by The Braun Corporation - Model: EasyRamp

http://www.braunlift.com/productinforoot/prodmanuals/RA200/RA200-OSM/pdf/EasyRamp-OSM-04.pdf

Copy and paste to find out more..lol

rear of the Iveco-irisbus bendybus ..

Offside view of the bus



Another view....

Svc 130 side desto-sticker

A Daewoo on Svc 303.. note the background shows Korea's fammous dedicated bus lanes. only buses cna go on it. My touring coach also used these lanes and zipped along at 70km/h without hinderance by traffic. Note the lane is 1.5 buses wide so overtakking if bus at bus stop possible.

After 7 days of chao biah searching, finally met up with the famous Korean bendybus.
Seoul bought Irisbus-Iveco Euro-Class WAB CNG fuel bendybuses in 2004. here is one unit on svc 370. Bodywork is the French Irisbus true blue European integrated bodywork.
Note: The use of Iveco badge and also the Irisbus dolphin logo.



Ok the bus very long...


Some Daewoo on opposite side


Typical Seoul bus stop info baord. Big big font of bus stop location and the route detials. With the big fonts, if u sit bus, u cna just stare out of window n you know where you are by looking at the bus stop location.. no need for Passneger info display system (PIDS) onbaord bus..lol


Seeing double rear destos...lol

Normal road on the right and left of the Seoul busway for bsues...so u have to cross the road to the middle to where the bus stop is using traffic light.

Korea
Night shots


Hohoho spotted a European bus in Korea. its a neoplan coach

iinter town Svc 9403 daewoo coach

Svc 370 bus EDS in english


Same bus, now EDS in orean

Hyundai Aero City on "MRT" feeder svc 2221

Yeah it was dark there...

 

 

Korea series >
Domestic Airport

how about pasting your bus ads on a electrical circuit box in Singapore ? Super efficeint use of space I'd say///

Domestic airport. Former intl airport. svc 300 serve there

English and Korean bus stop sign. note the via: detials also there. Also note how good the freq of bus is in Seoul. Frist bus 4am?!!!

Imagine our Scheme b schoolbus service 642 use this Hyundai Aero City CNG fuel bus


Bye....

A Daewoo BX212HS Royal High-decker on airport llimosine service. Gee hhis newer model of Daewoo coach bus sure is a rare sight.

A man stares at the side EDS of this

Hyndai Super Aero City Low rider WAB CNG Fuel bus with EDS.Note the use of plastic desto despite the EDS.

Stickered side desto are the norm in Seoul buses. The side EDS show the same as front. So in korea no such thing as cameo.

 

 

that is because the way the gearbox works is very close to a mannual bus ones...

As for me i grew up on vikings and guy Victories

ZYX

Correct me if i wrong

 

in the procss of programming the EDS via computer

 

the programmer has to one by one select the pixel out to form a word, so it'll take some time for him to program out a new set from scratch?

 

ZYX

i was going to touch on OLED when u went there already

 

lol
save energy and has brigher output

I am eaferly awaiting the first bus to use this new technology

 

ZYX

mate

when a bus is registered does not mean its out already

ZYX

 

types of display modes

there are

1) Highlighted words n black or dark colour background.
For EDS : yellow words n black base background
In Hong Kong the LCD displa use (1). green background and white word. so it need not be that background is black.

2) Bright backgrund highlighted but dark words
For EDS means reverse programming for above. and yes this can be done on SMRT bsues. i've seen it appear before. as an error of cuz at Int.
Sometime for example yellow background n red words stand out for some bus operators on plastic desto.
this is of cuz not good on EDS cuz it will be super bright and the words very ark and hard to read out i darkness.

 

 

Originally posted by off_service:

EDS, or Electronic Destination Sign, is coined by TIBS when their Hispano DAFs and Mercs were introduced.

as off_servic estated the offical name to use is Electronci Destination Sign

the reason for the word destination and NOT display is ebcause buses too have interior LED displays for next bus stops or announcement.

also EDS replaced roller blinds and plastic destos etc... those show destinations so hence the D is for destination.

Flip dot technology tends to become rather troubleome as some dots flip and stay to OFF postiion hence a missing dot. Or worse is the dot flips to ON postion n stays On all the time.

Personally i would think LED normal are more reliuable.

LCD siaplys can however display much more finer detial and use to display even graphics on the EDS.

Modern EDS use electricty unlike the ol days of light bulbs. that explains the word Electronic.

really advanced LED EDS can display up to 4 colours. i beleive LCD EDS can display  in true colour.

 

 

 

i have army frens informing me of a LA and B57 in pasir laba camp. so glad they are still ummmm half alive. i dun think the poor chaps can move tho.

 

ZYX

 

reminder of f1 concept bus.

 

2818 and 2837. for more info refer to f1 season thread.

ZYX

 

continue this in latest ads on bsues pls

 

thhanks

 

ZYX